N. OF PIKE Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Bolton must be getting destroyed at the base and summit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Here's what is happening and has been happening all evening. Craziest thing I've seen since living here. 950ft its +RN, sometimes mixing with snow, closer to Mt Mansfield (picture). Note low accums on car windshields. rain.jpg At 750ft its +SN with 4"+ down. snow1.jpg This map corresponds to current observations and photo sites. Even up at the 1,500ft base area its a mix of rain and snow. I've never gone from dumpage in town to not at the mountain. Never. But it is dumping all snow above 2,000ft at the mountain. The only thing I can think of is NE wind is downsloping off the Sterling Ridge to the north, whereas in town its not. map.jpg I think my theory may have something PF. There are some terrain effects going on. Unless there is some weird channeling of cold in your valley? Want my guess? Blocked east flow. The Froude Numbers are 0.50 or so on east flow right now. That's pretty blocked (the equivalent of snow making it back into the eastern part of the CPV on west flow). So perhaps the best upslope ascent is actually being felt well east of the mountains (over the village) since its so blocked, and the highest precip rates are there (hence the snow) rather than along the mountain chain itself like you'd expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I think my theory may have something PF. There are some terrain effects going on. Unless there is some weird channeling of cold in your valley? Yeah it appears to be a NE wind doing it. Stowe Village would be done on an east wind as there's higher terrain to the east (not in this topo map) which is the Worecester Range. However, on a NE wind, the Sterling Ridge there comes into play so although the road elevation is getting higher as it goes towards the mountain, the downslope becomes more severe because the ridgeline also gets higher. Its truly one of the most interesting meso-scale things I've ever seen here. I'll remember this storm for that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Want my guess? Blocked east flow. The Froude Numbers are 0.50 or so on east flow right now. That's pretty blocked (the equivalent of snow making it back into the eastern part of the CPV on west flow). So perhaps the best upslope ascent is actually being felt well east of the mountains (over the village) since its so blocked, and the highest precip rates are there (hence the snow) rather than along the mountain chain itself like you'd expect. Is it east? I figured it was NE and coming over the Sterling Ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Want my guess? Blocked east flow. The Froude Numbers are 0.50 or so on east flow right now. That's pretty blocked (the equivalent of snow making it back into the eastern part of the CPV on west flow). So perhaps the best upslope ascent is actually being felt well east of the mountains (over the village) since its so blocked, and the highest precip rates are there (hence the snow) rather than along the mountain chain itself like you'd expect. I'm gonna weenie out on this because its the most absurd thing I've seen...not like a difference of a half inch but like 3-4" in 2 miles. Wouldn't a blocked east flow be on the otherside of the Worecester Range (the ridge where Putnam State Forest is), and then downslope into Stowe Village? Or could it downslope and then blocked again in the little valley between the Spine and Worecester Ridge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is it east? I figured it was NE and coming over the Sterling Ridge. It is northeast (I was simply referencing east vs. west). It could be downsloping off Sterling Ridge too. Stowe Village is open to the northeast, with the spine just west, so I would be okay saying its either since I don't have any better explanations lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 man that's a serious band in VT and Maine . Wish we had a West Bethel Maine poster. I think part two is going to surprise some with its veracity of precip. Juicy Lucy. Yeah Steve, It looks to be ripping up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I'm gonna weenie out on this because its the most absurd thing I've seen...not like a difference of a half inch but like 3-4" in 2 miles. Wouldn't a blocked east flow be on the otherside of the Worecester Range (the ridge where Putnam State Forest is), and then downslope into Stowe Village? Or could it downslope and then blocked again in the little valley between the Spine and Worecester Ridge? map2.jpg Depends on how mesoscale we're talking. And on a northeast wind, Stowe is open to the Northeast so that's a pretty good fetch it could get without coming over the Worcester Range. it might just as easily be downsloping off Sterling too. I'm totally speculating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Better dynamic cooling,better omega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Depends on how mesoscale we're talking. And on a northeast wind, Stowe is open to the Northeast so that's a pretty good fetch it could get without coming over the Worcester Range. it might just as easily be downsloping off Sterling too. I'm totally speculating. But yes you would usually think of downsloping into the village of Stowe on an East wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Want my guess? Blocked east flow. The Froude Numbers are 0.50 or so on east flow right now. That's pretty blocked (the equivalent of snow making it back into the eastern part of the CPV on west flow). So perhaps the best upslope ascent is actually being felt well east of the mountains (over the village) since its so blocked, and the highest precip rates are there (hence the snow) rather than along the mountain chain itself like you'd expect. Well you would still have upslope at the mountain no? What about the range to the east? Isn't there a 10 Mile wide difference? I could see the blocked flow if there were no terrain to the east, but not sure if that's the car with the terrain right there to the east as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ahh, I see. That northeast wind would change things then. I'm thinking of that deeper erly flow aloft. Low level flow could do that as you surmised. Of course, I am completely unfamiliar with terrain there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Well you would still have upslope at the mountain no? What about the range to the east? Isn't there a 10 Mile wide difference? I could see the blocked flow if there were no terrain to the east, but not sure if that's the car with the terrain right there to the east as well? If its blocked enough, there wouldn't be as much actually at the mountain as in the valley. The mountain is "felt" further east. But yeah the terrain to the east should add some downsloping. Perhaps since its Northeast winds it could be missing the Worcester range and coming in through the opening in the mountains through Morrisville? Funneling between the Worcester Range and Green Spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Ahh, I see. That northeast wind would change things then. I'm thinking of that deeper erly flow aloft. Low level flow could do that as you surprised. Of course, I am completely unfamiliar with terrain there. This has got to be microscale haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 My buddy the bartender just sent another photo...its not intensity related because he said it is absolutely pouring rain and you can see it on the parking lot. Its like a full on paste dump at home 2 miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Report from sugarloaf of 6" as of 8pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 slowing down now, this is from a little while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 This has got to be microscale haha. Is that Sterling range tall? Maybe it's just enough to boost temps a degree or so. I have to look at the terrain. Would a northeast wind gently upslope from that area to the village? I mean it must be a temp thing since it sounds like precip rates are good in both places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is that Sterling range tall? Maybe it's just enough to boost temps a degree or so. I have to look at the terrain. Would a northeast wind gently upslope from that area to the village? I mean it must be a temp thing since it sounds like prexy rates are good in both places. Yeah the Sterling ridge sits between 2000-3500ft as it gets closer to the real Spine near Mansfield. It truly is crazy. The fronto band overhead is heavy at both spots. And there is a definite transition zone from no snow on the road to like 3-4" and horrible road conditions. Probably never know for sure, but I think its downslope compressional warming. My car was saying 34F up there and 32F at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I mean look at the rain photo up the road...and then look at this...totally different worlds and reverse elevation dependent, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Gray Maine Public info statement shows 8.0 as of 830 pm In Gorham, NH Albany Reports 12.0 in Wilmington, Vt as of 6pm. 8.5 in Woodford at 345 pm so ya well over a foot there i'm sure. Burlington Public info statement shows Mt. Holly with 13 and Killington with 12.0 as of almost 8pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Is that Sterling range tall? Maybe it's just enough to boost temps a degree or so. I have to look at the terrain. Would a northeast wind gently upslope from that area to the village? I mean it must be a temp thing since it sounds like precip rates are good in both places. Yeah the Sterling ridge sits between 2000-3500ft as it gets closer to the real Spine near Mansfield. It truly is crazy. The fronto band overhead is heavy at both spots. And there is a definite transition zone from no snow on the road to like 3-4" and horrible road conditions. Probably never know for sure, but I think its downslope compressional warming. My car was saying 34F up there and 32F at home. Yeah it certainly could be downslope off the Ridge (especially now that you note its heavy precip at both locations). I guess you'd have to see just how localized the effect is. Does the warm temp and snow minimum follow the spine down or is it solely just downwind of Sterling Ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Yeah it certainly could be downslope off the Ridge (especially now that you note its heavy precip at both locations). I guess you'd have to see just how localized the effect is. Does the warm temp and snow minimum follow the spine down or is it solely just downwind of Sterling Ridge. Tomorrow will be interesting. Anyway, we are now getting damaging snow. I've seen some friends post they are without power. This is a huge tree that just came down on Park Street in the Village. One helluva lucky homeowner right there. That tree would've totaled that house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewall Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 SN/IP now here with large flakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Killington up to 12 according to wcax Facebook post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 I don't even live there and I find it fascinating lol. That is just strange. Based on what PF said, must be some sort of downsloping/warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Tomorrow will be interesting. Anyway, we are now getting damaging snow. I've seen some friends post they are without power. This is a huge tree that just came down on Park Street in the Village. One helluva lucky homeowner right there. That tree would've totaled that house. Treesdown.jpg Wow, Scott any trees in your yard that threaten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 That tree looks rotted pretty bad mixture of heavy wet snow and wind? Also maybe the mountain is stuck in a warm wedge and your getting just enough of a cold inflow kind of like how it can snow in nyc and rain here just on a way smaller scale lol Tomorrow will be interesting. Anyway, we are now getting damaging snow. I've seen some friends post they are without power. This is a huge tree that just came down on Park Street in the Village. One helluva lucky homeowner right there. That tree would've totaled that house. Treesdown.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Wow, Scott any trees in your yard that threaten I've got some pines, but nothing near the home. Pines are drooping to the ground though, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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