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T-Storms Part 2 : "North and West of the city!"


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The shear starts off pretty meh but it does increase later on in the afternoon...it's just a question of how much does it lag behind the front...the GFS increases 0-6 shear upwards of 30 knots between 21z-0z.  

 

Seems like it's too little too late. Getting shear to increase by 00z... isn't going to cut it. 

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I'm not sure I buy this being "your typical nw of the area threat". Timing argues against that. Favors SNE for timing rather than E NY (alb area) western ma or nw ct. That's enough to perk my interest. Combine that with high cape/instability, solid source of lift, this humidity... Tomorrow will likely feature a few severe storms affecting our area. Doesn't look like your typical 'fizzle past ORH'.

 

I don't think we are facing a severe outbreak or historical day by any means, but a highly active thunderstorm day across much of the area with a solid threat of severe for many.

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Doesn't look like your typical 'fizzle past ORH'.

I don't think we are facing a severe outbreak or historical day by any means, but a highly active thunderstorm day across much of the area with a solid threat of severe for many.

This was the point I was trying to make before. It doesn't appear like the low/levels will be tainted and in fact we may be looking at some sneaky 90 degree temps trying to pop. One aspect of timing that may be a limiting factor will be loss of daytime heating, so we'll see how fast the line moves.
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Seems like it's too little too late. Getting shear to increase by 00z... isn't going to cut it. 

 

I agree,,,we definitely want the shear to increase earlier.  

 

The shear though isn't going to be detrimental to convection tomorrow...it would just hamper what could be a more active day in terms of severe weather.  

 

It looks like the line would be moving through here after 21z or so...this is also the time when the GFS begins to increase the shear so it's still close enough to where it's possibility...that is of course if the GFS is correct...the NAM is much. much slower with the shear as it has it lag further behind the front.   

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I agree,,,we definitely want the shear to increase earlier.  

 

The shear though isn't going to be detrimental to convection tomorrow...it would just hamper what could be a more active day in terms of severe weather.  

 

It looks like the line would be moving through here after 21z or so...this is also the time when the GFS begins to increase the shear so it's still close enough to where it's possibility...that is of course if the GFS is correct...the NAM is much. much slower with the shear as it has it lag further behind the front.   

Wind fields pretty much increase slightly as the day goes on at all levels on euro. Nothing crazy impressive though. Looks like wind fields are best over eastern half of sne? Correct me if I'm wrong

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Wind fields pretty much increase slightly as the day goes on at all levels on euro. Nothing crazy impressive though. Looks like wind fields are best over eastern half of sne? Correct me if I'm wrong

 

Looking at the 0z euro it had 500mb winds of 30k-35 knots into New England as early as 18z tomorrow...Euro does have a bit more impressive LLJ across eastern CT/RI/eastern MA

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This was the point I was trying to make before. It doesn't appear like the low/levels will be tainted and in fact we may be looking at some sneaky 90 degree temps trying to pop. One aspect of timing that may be a limiting factor will be loss of daytime heating, so we'll see how fast the line moves.

I think your typical areas might miss out on their severe chances while just east may cash in. best upper level support is clearly further north you go, while instability is further south and east ahead of that wind shift and unfavorable timing of the front. Also you don't want to be too close to the south coast as that will inhibit on that wind direction. Somewhere in between would be an area from Hartford north and east to ORH and up into interior northeast massachusetts. Maybe even into Boston if the storms can maintain strength.

 

Tomorrow I would want to be somewhere around route 2 or south to ORH.. east to 495 belt and up 495 north heading towards NH border. Could be sneaky spots near interior SE Ma too?

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The 18z NAM has a pretty significant surge of theta-e air ahead of the cold front tomorrow which could lead to some dewpoint pooling ahead of the front...maybe dews increasing to 72-74?  NAM shows possibility of MLcape values exceeding 2000 J/KG.  The NAM also continues to slowly push the timing of the front back which is good b/c it allows for the better shear values to work in...regardless with those Cape values 20-25 knots of shear is "enough".  

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18z nam, over 3k cape. highest where I drew the circle on my map a couple posts ago. As wiz said, looks absolutely miserable. Dews in low 70's and temps near 90. Certainly looks like last oppressive day of 2014 with the way long range is shaping up. If those cape values wiz mentioned shape up, gonna be a lightshow.

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I think your typical areas might miss out on their severe chances while just east may cash in. best upper level support is clearly further north you go, while instability is further south and east ahead of that wind shift and unfavorable timing of the front. Also you don't want to be too close to the south coast as that will inhibit on that wind direction. Somewhere in between would be an area from Hartford north and east to ORH and up into interior northeast massachusetts. Maybe even into Boston if the storms can maintain strength.

 

Tomorrow I would want to be somewhere around route 2 or south to ORH.. east to 495 belt and up 495 north heading towards NH border. Could be sneaky spots near interior SE Ma too?

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This I would agree with if you are strictly going off the convective parameters and were looking to get nailed by an advancing squall line.  But I am considering making a drive to near Bennington (possibly further west) with the hopes of getting in on some initial discreet stuff before the whole show goes linear.

 

Mainly because I have the weekends off now and because I am bored.

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This I would agree with if you are strictly going off the convective parameters and were looking to get nailed by an advancing squall line. But I am considering making a drive to near Bennington (possibly further west) with the hopes of getting in on some initial discreet stuff before the whole show goes linear.

Mainly because I have the weekends off now and because I am bored.

hey chris,

i was mainly focusing on sne to be honest. Im guilty. Lol

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NAM went in the direction of shear being slightly better for tomorrow...also the NAM looks very good for interior NE MA I think

NAM actually shows some locally backed southerly winds by 00z across the central Connecticut valleys, but that might be too little too late. The game for any more intense discrete cells is likely early on before storm mode gets messy and we see one or more lines off storms plow through SNE. The NAM also shows some channeling low-level flow in the mid-Hudson Valley to Albany region around early afternoon. If there was a narrow window for a few supercells, I would tend to think it would be early to mid-afternoon, somewhere between the Hudson Valley and western Massachusetts.

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NAM actually shows some locally backed southerly winds by 00z across the central Connecticut valleys, but that might be too little too late. The game for any more intense discrete cells is likely early on before storm mode gets messy and we see one or more lines off storms plow through SNE. The NAM also shows some channeling low-level flow in the mid-Hudson Valley to Albany region around early afternoon. If there was a narrow window for a few supercells, I would tend to think it would be early to mid-afternoon, somewhere between the Hudson Valley and western Massachusetts.

 

Certainly a possibility...especially with such high Cape values

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Well over-looking things this AM, today is shaping up to be quite an active day across southern New England.  I also think we will end up seeing a decent amount of wind damage reports (to put into context something that would verify high-end slight) and several large hail reports as well.  

 

While shear could certainly be stronger it will be more than adequate given the very strong instability parameters we will have in place.  MLcape values should approach 2000 J/KG this afternoon which is quite impressive.  

 

Activity will begin firing in the late morning hours and should quickly consolidate into a line segment with a few bowing structures...since there isn't a ton of difference between the speed of the llvl and mlvl wind fields it won't be a massive bowing squall line but more several smaller bowing structures.  

 

We do have to watch the llvl wind fields, especially late afternoon as activity progresses through central MA into NH and NE MA.  A spike in the llvl jet will allow for an increase in helicity so if there are any discrete cells ahead of the main line have to watch for rotation...even have to watch for this embedded within the squall line.  

 

Flash flooding will be a concern as well in the typical flood prone and poor drainage areas.   

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