snowman21 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 That is the coldest 3 day average temp on record for ORH I believe. Yep, tied with 12/30-1/1/1918 for a 3-day average of -3.7F. Next up on the list is 1/8-10/1968 at -2.3F followed by 1/14-16/1957 at -1.7F. From there it's all above zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yep, tied with 12/30-1/1/1918 for a 3-day average of -3.7F. Next up on the list is 1/8-10/1968 at -2.3F followed by 1/14-16/1957 at -1.7F. From there it's all above zero. Seems a bit "mild" for the 1917-18 three-day. Central Park's 3 coldest were 12/29-31, and they averaged -1.7. I'd expect ORH to be more than 2F colder than NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Yep, tied with 12/30-1/1/1918 for a 3-day average of -3.7F. Next up on the list is 1/8-10/1968 at -2.3F followed by 1/14-16/1957 at -1.7F. From there it's all above zero. The 1917 airmass is pretty incredible for the timing of it. 1933 was similar. Very early to have that type of airmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Seems a bit "mild" for the 1917-18 three-day. Central Park's 3 coldest were 12/29-31, and they averaged -1.7. I'd expect ORH to be more than 2F colder than NYC. ORH is missing a low temp on the 29th and 27th (or perhaps that's just me), so that could be why. The dailies were -1/-14, 4/-13, and 9/-5. The other days on either side probably weren't as cold based on high temps of at least mid-teens, assuming those are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Seems a bit "mild" for the 1917-18 three-day. Central Park's 3 coldest were 12/29-31, and they averaged -1.7. I'd expect ORH to be more than 2F colder than NYC. I get -1F for Central Park during that stretch. 2/-13, 6/-7, 10/-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I get -1F for Central Park during that stretch. 2/-13, 6/-7, 10/-4 Correct - That's why I used Dec 29-31, as 12/29's 8/-6 was 2F colder than 1/1. Even using the same 30th-1st, it's closer than I'd have expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Correct - That's why I used Dec 29-31, as 12/29's 8/-6 was 2F colder than 1/1. Even using the same 30th-1st, it's closer than I'd have expected. The ORH data looks a bit screwy for that period...it shows a high of 14F for the 29th (missing the low) but BOS had a high of 5F that day...which makes no sense. NYC had a high of 2F that day. I can gather that perhaps the airmass was advecting in from the west which is what "levels the playing field" somewhat...but it doesn't quite explain the ORH high....maybe time of observation? Not sure. The high of 5F at BOS looks like a "cheap midnight high" since it was also the low temp the previous day...though "midnight" in this case might be some other time like 06z or 03z...who knows. We'd have to get the metadata that includes TOBS to find out for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 The ORH data looks a bit screwy for that period...it shows a high of 14F for the 29th (missing the low) but BOS had a high of 5F that day...which makes no sense. NYC had a high of 2F that day. I can gather that perhaps the airmass was advecting in from the west which is what "levels the playing field" somewhat...but it doesn't quite explain the ORH high....maybe time of observation? Not sure. The high of 5F at BOS looks like a "cheap midnight high" since it was also the low temp the previous day...though "midnight" in this case might be some other time like 06z or 03z...who knows. We'd have to get the metadata that includes TOBS to find out for sure.Looks like 8pm? http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-2536AC95-1CA9-42AB-B407-66F22011493A.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Back to 16F now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wow. Not meh @NWSNewYorkNY: The 22 degrees at Islip NY today is the lowest high temperature since records started there in 1984. Previous was 25 in 1996. #nywx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wow. Not meh @NWSNewYorkNY: The 22 degrees at Islip NY today is the lowest high temperature since records started there in 1984. Previous was 25 in 1996. #nywx Islip 22 PVD OWD BOS PYM no higher , but Broken thermo at Ktorcho (tan) says 27 today, ya u can knock a minimum of 4 off that. Anyhow this strong cold shot is moving out and im kinda glad, let see what we can get down to tonite before the torch arrives, maybe KTAN can register a 70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Wow. Not meh @NWSNewYorkNY: The 22 degrees at Islip NY today is the lowest high temperature since records started there in 1984. Previous was 25 in 1996. #nywx 1984...quite the rich history of observing data there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Islip 22 PVD OWD BOS PYM no higher , but Broken thermo at Ktorcho (tan) says 27 today, ya u can knock a minimum of 4 off that. Anyhow this strong cold shot is moving out and im kinda glad, let see what we can get down to tonite before the torch arrives, maybe KTAN can register a 70 you know you miss living around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 you know you miss living around here. It is a much shorter drive to newport or horseneck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 1984...quite the rich history of observing data there... Yeah. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It was a solid cold shot...just nothing compared to -2F with heavy snow falling like we saw on Jan 2-3...and then the following night where rad spots got to -12F to -18F. ORH put up a 15/2 today...that's not earth shattering but a good solid -15 type departure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It was a solid cold shot...just nothing compared to -2F with heavy snow falling like we saw on Jan 2-3...and then the following night where rad spots got to -12F to -18F. ORH put up a 15/2 today...that's not earth shattering but a good solid -15 type departure. Well when u have a storm w NO Analog to compare temp/ precip wise ...like last weeks below zero blizzard , following cold shots that are strong are now meh. At some point we may wonder when we will ever get another -15 departure day , at least that is how unimpressively cold it was for a time before this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Still could be positive by months end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Well when u have a storm w NO Analog to compare temp/ precip wise ...like last weeks below zero blizzard , following cold shots that are strong are now meh. At some point we may wonder when we will ever get another -15 departure day , at least that is how unimpressively cold it was for a time before this winter. I was actually thinking how much a +15 day would be pimped right now as a complete and utter torch...yet, a -15 day right now is "meh"....that's how you know we've been pretty cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Yeah. Meh. From a different perspective, the "torch" periods haven't been anything to write home about either. Kind of pedestrian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I was actually thinking how much a +15 day would be pimped right now as a complete and utter torch...yet, a -15 day right now is "meh"....that's how you know we've been pretty cold. That's probably part of it. I remember how warm January 1990 felt in SNE after spending December '89 in northern VT. When you're used to highs in the low teens and get a high in the low 20s, still 10° below normal, it doesn't feel so cold. Kind of "meh" actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Islip 22 PVD OWD BOS PYM no higher , but Broken thermo at Ktorcho (tan) says 27 today, ya u can knock a minimum of 4 off that. Anyhow this strong cold shot is moving out and im kinda glad, let see what we can get down to tonite before the torch arrives, maybe KTAN can register a 70 its bad when my bank thermostat in the sun is lower than TAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I was actually thinking how much a +15 day would be pimped right now as a complete and utter torch...yet, a -15 day right now is "meh"....that's how you know we've been pretty cold.Lol I thought the same thing, what is not meh are the monthly departures which includes a 45-60 degree day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Still could be positive by months end. We could also get a 30 inch KU before month's end too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 We could also get a 30 inch KU before month's end too. that will be in mid Feb. The squirrels told me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 From a different perspective, the "torch" periods haven't been anything to write home about either. Kind of pedestrian.Well the meh was more because of Islip's short period of records. I thought the torches have beenImpressive. Each cutter has brought near 60F temps. How is that not impressive? Wait until Saturday night tickles upper 50s. Basically when it has been cold it's cold and when we warm we are dam warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 We've definitely had a cold stretch, but the most impressive one was during the snow on the 2nd through the 3rd and the lows after. The cold we have had over the last few days we get almost every winter, but if you average the days since the beginning of the month, you come up with big negative departures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 That's probably part of it. I remember how warm January 1990 felt in SNE after spending December '89 in northern VT. Wow, December '89 in Northern VT had to be crazy cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 We've definitely had a cold stretch, but the most impressive one was during the snow on the 2nd through the 3rd and the lows after. The cold we have had over the last few days we get almost every winter, but if you average the days since the beginning of the month, you come up with big negative departures. January 2004 is also still recent enough that we really need something close to that to get impressed. We had pretty impressive cold in '05 too...but since then, most cold outbreaks have been like -20 type days. Jan 2009, early Jan 2008, and now this January. January 2004 cold was more impressive in many of our backyards than January 1994 unlike everyone else in the northeast/midwest outside of New England. We won't match it any time soon I don't think. January 2011 one day shot was pretty impressive, but it was only one day. This year didn't reach the -25 type departures, though we did get the historic cold in the snowstorm. Never have seen that type of cold in a snowstorm. So that was pretty special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The other thing impressive this year is not how cold but the amount of days that have been cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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