Ginx snewx Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/opinion/10886/cold-hard-facts#.Usxx-2QPgb4.twitternice article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Look at that weenie stripe of snow. If you zoom in you can see me waving that is pretty cool to see the band of snow from the squalls. You are happier than a pig in sh*t today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 In Connecticut only DXR even touched wind chill advisory criteria today nevermind 3 straight hours of it. I hate these advisories/warnings that fall so short of criteria across the board. Yeah why even have criteria if you're not going to follow it? Unless of course this is just a busted forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey2002 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah why even have criteria if you're not going to follow it? Unless of course this is just a busted forecast. Happens all the time, especially in the summer with heat advisories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Yeah why even have criteria if you're not going to follow it? Unless of course this is just a busted forecast. Happens all the time, especially in the summer with heat advisories. I'd rather some borderline cases "miss" than the continuing dumbing down of criteria. It is the boy that cries wolf syndrome. Next time really record cold comes in during winter we'll be out of advisories and superlatives to describe it. Same story in the summer... we warn every storm with a 40 knot gust that takes down a dead tree limb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 2.5F/-10 Breezy. Not peasant out right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 2.5F/-10 Breezy. Not peasant out right now. was out running errands. Feels worse than Sat morning. The wind is the killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 was out running errands. Feels worse than Sat morning. The wind is the killer Oh' yeah, we've seen lower temps but today was toughest day this season to be out. I feel like I'm going insane from the static shocks. lol I'm starting to fear touching things in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Down to 8 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'd rather some borderline cases "miss" than the continuing dumbing down of criteria. It is the boy that cries wolf syndrome. Next time really record cold comes in during winter we'll be out of advisories and superlatives to describe it. Same story in the summer... we warn every storm with a 40 knot gust that takes down a dead tree limb.Here's a question, does it have any effect on anyone? Has anyone said ever, NWS chill advisor criteria was not met today, call Congress to investigate? Seems like a big ado about semantics. Not like a polar hurricane warning was issued or something, same with heat advisory. They convey a point, dress warm or get naked into a pool depending on the season. People understand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 was out running errands. Feels worse than Sat morning. The wind is the killerthis point was given by several folks today, it's not always about digits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 this point was given by several folks today, it's not always about digits.My car also did not like sitting in my 10F parking lot all day. I love when the stick shift is all gummy from the cold. 0.9F on my thermo now but I think it is a degree too cold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted January 7, 2014 Author Share Posted January 7, 2014 Here's a question, does it have any effect on anyone? Has anyone said ever, NWS chill advisor criteria was not met today, call Congress to investigate? Seems like a big ado about semantics. Not like a polar hurricane warning was issued or something, same with heat advisory. They convey a point, dress warm or get naked into a pool depending on the season. People understand . I mentioned what impact it has. The more you overwarn when you try to warn for a legit or serious event you run out of ways to say, "but this one we really mean!!!" If criteria is totally arbitrary and reaching it or doesn't reaching it doesn't make any difference than why have criteria? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Here's a question, does it have any effect on anyone? Has anyone said ever, NWS chill advisor criteria was not met today, call Congress to investigate? Seems like a big ado about semantics. Not like a polar hurricane warning was issued or something, same with heat advisory. They convey a point, dress warm or get naked into a pool depending on the season. People understand . So how do you grade a meteorologist? How do you determine whether a meteorologist is good? bad? worth paying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 this point was given by several folks today, it's not always about digits. I understand I'm the minority, but this is a typical arctic cold shot for my area. I'm not overly impressed. It was very impressive for SW of here though...there's no denying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 MOS bust in ORD, bna, a lot of the cryin' for mommas were solidly 10F above guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 2.3 maybe -3 tomorrow morn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 2.3 maybe -3 tomorrow morn? Could be... could be... What did you get to on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 So how do you grade a meteorologist? How do you determine whether a meteorologist is good? bad? worth paying?certainly not by temp advisories missing by 5 degrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I understand I'm the minority, but this is a typical arctic cold shot for my area. I'm not overly impressed. It was very impressive for SW of here though...there's no denying that. much more wind near the coast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I mentioned what impact it has. The more you overwarn when you try to warn for a legit or serious event you run out of ways to say, "but this one we really mean!!!" If criteria is totally arbitrary and reaching it or doesn't reaching it doesn't make any difference than why have criteria? Meh nobody noticed I am sure, was my point, minor miss, not like a hurricane going out to sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Could be... could be... What did you get to on Saturday -4 or -4.1 to be exact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 1.8 and windy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 I understand I'm the minority, but this is a typical arctic cold shot for my area. I'm not overly impressed. It was very impressive for SW of here though...there's no denying that. Agreed...it was windy and cold on the mountain with registered wind chills in the -30F to -45F range but didn't seem quite that bad. Maybe just adapting and getting used to it after the few of these shots we've had so far. The two days of sub-zero highs and lows in the negative 20s, when BTV put 58 hours below zero, felt much more extreme. This is more at annoyance level, lol, very cold but nothing overly exciting. Sort of like a 91/67 day in summer...no record breaker, just mildly uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Agreed...it was windy and cold on the mountain with registered wind chills in the -30F to -45F range but didn't seem quite that bad. Maybe just adapting and getting used to it after the few of these shots we've had so far. The two days of sub-zero highs and lows in the negative 20s, when BTV put 58 hours below zero, felt much more extreme. This is more at annoyance level, lol, very cold but nothing overly exciting. Sort of like a 91/67 day in summer...no record breaker, just mildly uncomfortable. Lol, -35-45 is the new meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 All about perception I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 certainly not by temp advisories missing by 5 degrees Verification is an important part of the job. How else would you quantify how good or bad a meteorologist or forecasting service is? How else do you fairly compare them if not numerically? POD, FAR, Brier Score, Threat Score/Critical Success Index, etc. are all standard metrics used in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 All about perception I guess.acclimation, PF gets a pass he is out in it all the time but -35/-45 is balls cold for the rest of us, try to work in that. Folks with indoor desk jobs looking at wind chill charts always meh cold days, their exposure is from heated office to car, most probably have car starters. Working outside this morning was cold, skating outside was cold. Being on a ski lift at -35/-45 is brutal unless you live in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Verification is an important part of the job. How else would you quantify how good or bad a meteorologist or forecasting service is? How else do you fairly compare them if not numerically? POD, FAR, Brier Score, Threat Score/Critical Success Index, etc. are all standard metrics used in the industry.I certainly would not judge them if they missed wind chill criteria today, close enough, not a single person even knew or cared they came up short. It didn't cost any one any money in extra protection, no one was put in harms way, basically no body noticed or cares. All they know is they were told is it would be dangerous to be outside with exposed skin for lengths of time, pretty sure they got the message. Again on a scale of NWS busts, -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Lol, -35-45 is the new meh Well that's why I said the registered wind chills because it didn't feel that bad except for the very summit. Most inhabited areas were -15F to -25F, where as the last event had much more impressive -30 or below at various ASOS (warning criteria). I almost prefaced my post with a disclaimer for you Ginxy, haha. I knew you'd get a kick out of that one. True temps though weren't too bad...holding around zero at 1,500ft, whereas the last cold snap had DAYTIME temps of around -15F! I think if you look over the various stations up here and then look at what happened last week, you'll see a difference. It's still cold as balls, I'm not saying it's warm (haha)....but we just got done with record breaking cold last week up here and this is not record breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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