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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: Heading into Fall


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I live 5 miles west of Geneseo and we have gotten hammered with this band. Roughly 6 inches in the past 3 hours. We never see lake effect his strong this far east of Erie. I'm in snow Heaven right now!

you guys have been getting into action with this LES bands as of late,Enjoy your snow -:)

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Cannot believe I am over 50 inches by 12/15....Winter hasn't even started yet. ^_^

 

I'll post a video of the event today with the thundersnow tomorrow after I do some editing.

unreal isn't it? At approx 53" for the season already. Cant wait to see that video as I know how intense it was but for the others who didn't get to experience it, can find some real joy watching it!
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 We are getting 3-4 inches per hour within this band the last 2-3 hours.

 

lake_effect_december_15th.jpg

Great save but why does the scale only go to 28 dbz?  :unsure: 

 

Lots of moisture and enhancement from the lakes on the GEM

:) Good. I was sort of in the screw zone again here in Ontario with the band that took center stage off Huron. I'm starting to get majorly pissed off about it because it never sits! Even in that GEM image, the heavier band over ON is just to my south  <_< . I read the last two pages of the incredible LES streamer you guys got and again await this video, might be some of the best ever captured  :arrowhead: .

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000
NOUS41 KBUF 161920
PNSBUF
NYZ001>008-010>014-019>021-085-170720-

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
SPOTTER REPORTS
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY
220 PM EST MON DEC 16 2013

**********************24 HOUR SNOWFALL**********************

LOCATION 24 HOUR TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ERIE COUNTY...
2 W WEST SENECA 3.0 1100 AM 12/16 COCORAHS

...OSWEGO COUNTY...
1 NE PULASKI 12.0 1200 PM 12/16 COCORAHS

...WAYNE COUNTY...
1 SSE PORT BAY 23.0 158 PM 12/16 PUBLIC
RED CREEK 18.0 211 PM 12/16 POST OFFICE
WOLCOTT 7.0 216 PM 12/16 POST OFFICE


***********************SNOW ON GROUND***********************

LOCATION SNOW TIME/DATE COMMENTS
ON GROUND OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ERIE COUNTY...
2 W WEST SENECA 9.0 1100 AM 12/16 COCORAHS

...OSWEGO COUNTY...
1 NE PULASKI 26.5 1200 PM 12/16 COCORAHS

...WAYNE COUNTY...
WOLCOTT 20.0 216 PM 12/16 POST OFFICE

$

JAM

 

They have been getting shelled up near the Tug now the past 7 days. Got friends from Millersville up there for OWLeS project. Last night, Sandy Creek, NY where they were located got 17" and the report out of Redfield was 27". 2-4"/hr in the best bands. Amazing start to the season up there

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This next trough digging into the western CONUS and its attendant ULL will be interesting for early next week. Too early to get worked up about it but we will be close to a slow moving frontal boundary in NY, PA and ONT. Could be wet pre XMas in NY.

 

Wet is an understatement. 2 Inches+ of rain is going to cause some serious flooding if it comes to fruition.

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That isn't really far off from an ice storm, keep an eye on the arctic boundary just lurking to the north of the stationary front.  

 

Yes! I mentioned this a couple days ago. That's a pretty good high bridging across Ontario and Quebec, so I'd be worried about "sneaky" low level cold draining down onto the Niagara Frontier on north northeasterly winds. Best chance of this occurring would obviously be along the counties bordering Lake Ontario. Models may underestimate the cold temps at the surface too. We'll see.

 

Unfortunately for the majority of western New York I think the odds are much higher that this next event ends up being a real soaker, especially in the Southern Tier. I was contemplating bringing my skis home for a day at HV next week, but I think I'll leave them here. Still a few days for things to change obviously, but the trend on the Euro has been concerning (just a couple days ago it was showing primarily snow from this system) so I'm not terribly optimistic. Wish I had access to the ensembles.

 

Then again, I do seem to bring good luck when I come home, so we'll see. This weekend will be a real test of that  :yikes:

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It just keeps getting better and better lol 

 

 

THIS SAME INCREASE IN MOISTURE AND LARGER-SCALE FORCING WILL ALSO
LEAD TO AN ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL BECOME INCREASINGLY FAVORABLE FOR
LAKE ENHANCED/LAKE EFFECT SNOW...WITH THIS PARTICULARLY BECOMING THE
CASE DOWNWIND OF LAKE ERIE. EXPECT A BAND OF LAKE ENHANCED
SNOWFALL TO INITIALLY SET UP FROM LAKE ERIE NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE
PORTIONS OF THE NIAGARA FRONTIER NORTH OF BUFFALO DURING THE
EVENING...BEFORE QUICKLY SHIFTING SOUTHWARD TO THE TRADITIONAL SNOW
BELTS EAST OF THE LAKE DURING THE EARLY OVERNIGHT HOURS AS WINDS
BECOME MORE WESTERLY FOLLOWING THE COLD FRONTAL/TROUGH PASSAGE.
GIVEN THE AFOREMENTIONED UPPER LEVEL SUPPORT...FAVORABLE MOISTURE...
AND LAKE EQLS RISING TO A LITTLE OVER 10 KFT...THERE IS THE
POTENTIAL FOR THIS BAND TO BECOME BRIEFLY INTENSE AS IT SHIFTS
SOUTHWARD...THOUGH ITS ANTICIPATED QUICK MOVEMENT WILL PROBABLY HELP
TO LIMIT ACCUMS SOMEWHAT ACROSS THE NIAGARA FRONTIER. FOR NOW...HAVE
PAINTED ACCUMS OF 2-4" ACROSS THE NIAGARA FRONTIER...THOUGH HIGHER
AMOUNTS WORTHY OF AT LEAST A LES ADVISORY CANNOT AT ALL BE RULED OUT
JUST YET. FURTHER SOUTH...EXPECT 3-5" ACROSS SOUTHERN ERIE/WYOMING/
CHAUTAUQUA/CATTARAUGUS COUNTIES WHERE THE LES WILL BECOME MORE
PERSISTENT OVERNIGHT...AND WHERE A LES ADVISORY HAS BEEN HOISTED IN
CONSIDERATION OF BOTH THIS AND EXPECTED ADDITIONAL ACCUMULATIONS OF
2-3" ON WEDNESDAY.
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Yes! I mentioned this a couple days ago. That's a pretty good high bridging across Ontario and Quebec, so I'd be worried about "sneaky" low level cold draining down onto the Niagara Frontier on north northeasterly winds. Best chance of this occurring would obviously be along the counties bordering Lake Ontario. Models may underestimate the cold temps at the surface too. We'll see.

 

Unfortunately for the majority of western New York I think the odds are much higher that this next event ends up being a real soaker, especially in the Southern Tier. I was contemplating bringing my skis home for a day at HV next week, but I think I'll leave them here. Still a few days for things to change obviously, but the trend on the Euro has been concerning (just a couple days ago it was showing primarily snow from this system) so I'm not terribly optimistic. Wish I had access to the ensembles.

 

Then again, I do seem to bring good luck when I come home, so we'll see. This weekend will be a real test of that  :yikes:

If i remember correctly most ice storms that we have had in the past had a NNE wind component,any reason to that?

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NAM especially shows good LES for Buffalo/Northtowns for a few hours tonight. And the local mets are basically ignoring this again...

Snowing pretty good right now,we received 1.5" last night and maybe an inch with this shortwave that is passing by and w/e falls tonight. Snowpack is slowly building up although it's unfortunate we have it all melt by the weekend with that rain..  :flood:

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Albany had a low temperature of -5° this morning. That was the first subzero low there since January 24, 2013 (-4°) and the coldest there since January 3, 2013 (-5°). It was also the first December subzero low since December 28, 2004 (-4°), the coldest December low since December 20, 2004 (-5°), and the earliest subzero low since December 14, 1989 (-1°).

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Albany had a low temperature of -5° this morning. That was the first subzero low there since January 24, 2013 (-4°) and the coldest there since January 3, 2013 (-5°). It was also the first December subzero low since December 28, 2004 (-4°), the coldest December low since December 20, 2004 (-5°), and the earliest subzero low since December 14, 1989 (-1°).

Impressive cold.  Haven't really focused much on that with the snow over the last several days.  Rochester broke a record low today:

 

000

SXUS71 KBUF 171202

RERROC

RECORD EVENT REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

700 AM EDT TUE DEC 17 2013

...RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE SET AT ROCHESTER NY THIS MORNING...

THE TEMPERATURE FELL TO -4 DEGREES AT THE ROCHESTER AIRPORT EARLY

THIS MORNING. THIS ESTABLISHES A NEW RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE FOR

DECEMBER 17TH. THE PREVIOUS RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE WAS -3 DEGREES

SET BACK IN 1919.

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DPK

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CONFIDENCE IS BEGINNING TO BUILD REGARDING THE POTENTIAL FOR A

SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT ACROSS WESTERN AND NORTH CENTRAL NEW YORK

THIS WEEKEND. MODELS SHOW FAIRLY GOOD AGREEMENT ON THE BASIC

INGREDIENTS...A POWERFUL 200+KT UPPER LEVEL JET STREAK CENTERED OVER

NORTHERN ONTARIO/QUEBEC...A WELL DEFINED BAROCLINIC ZONE STRETCHING

FROM THE MIDWEST ACROSS THE LOWER GREAT LAKES...A POWERFUL SHORTWAVE

EJECTING OUT OF THE SOUTHERN PLAINS HELPING TO GENERATE A SURFACE

LOW OVER THE MISSISSIPPI VALLEY...AND FINALLY A WELL DEFINED RETURN

FLOW OFF THE GULF OF MEXICO THAT WILL ADVECT EXTREMELY MOIST AIR UP

AND OVER THE AFOREMENTIONED BAROCLINIC ZONE. ALL OF THESE FACTORS

WILL CREATE AN IDEAL SETUP FOR HEAVY RAIN ACROSS THE LOWER GREAT

LAKES THIS WEEKEND.

THE TEMPERATURE GRADIENT IN PLACE ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA WILL

RESULT IN A COMPLICATED SET OF POTENTIAL FORECAST PROBLEMS. ACROSS

THE SOUTHERN TIER WHERE TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO CLIMB WELL

ABOVE FREEZING...POSSIBLY AS HIGH AS THE MID 50S ON SUNDAY...THE HEAVY

RAIN SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY COULD RESULT IN A FLOODING THREAT. ACROSS

THE NORTH COUNTRY WHERE LIGHT NORTH-NORTHEASTERLY FLOW INTO THE

TROUGH COULD HAVE THE EFFECT OF DROPPING SURFACE TEMPERATURES BACK

BELOW FREEZING ON SATURDAY...THE THREAT FOR A MAJOR FREEZING RAIN

EVENT WILL EXIST SATURDAY INTO SUNDAY. IN FACT...SEVERAL OF THE

CURRENT CIPS ANALOGS TO THIS WEEKEND`S PROGGED PATTERN INVOLVE

SIGNIFICANT FREEZING RAIN ACROSS THE SAINT LAWRENCE

VALLEY...INCLUDING THE INFAMOUS FREEZING RAIN EVENT OF JANUARY 1998

THAT SEVERELY IMPACTED THE SAINT LAWRENCE VALLEY...THE NORTHERN

ADIRONDACKS...AND QUEBEC. IN BETWEEN THESE TWO EXTREMES...THE

TEMPERATURE WILL HOVER WITHIN A FEW DEGREES EITHER SIDE OF

FREEZING...CREATING A VERY COMPLICATED FORECAST WITH A POTENTIAL FOR

FREEZING RAIN AND/OR FLOODING. IN ADDITION...IT IS ALSO WORTH NOTING

THAT MODELS DIFFER SOMEWHAT ON THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE FREEZING

LINE...CREATING ADDITIONAL UNCERTAINTY. ALL OF THAT SAID...ALL IT

WILL TAKE IS FOR THE AXIS OF THE BAROCLINIC ZONE TO MOVE 100 MILES

AND EITHER DIRECTION AND THE LOCATIONS OF THE ABOVE HAZARDS WILL

SHIFT ACCORDINGLY. STAY TUNED AS DETAILS BECOME CLEARER ON THIS

POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT WEATHER EVENT THIS WEEKEND.

BY SUNDAY NIGHT/MONDAY SOME MEASURE OF CLARITY RETURNS TO THE

FORECAST PICTURE AS THE SURFACE LOW TRACKS ACROSS THE NORTHEASTERN

U.S. AND A COLD FRONT SWEEPS ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA...USHERING IN THE

RETURN OF SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES ALONG WITH LAKE EFFECT SNOW AS

AN UPPER LEVEL TROUGH DIPS ACROSS THE GREAT LAKES.

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