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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: Heading into Fall


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That Lake effect band died on the way back south through here. Still picked up a good amount though, but nothing compared to 5 miles south of here the last 2 days. 20 inches difference in just 5 miles! ^_^

 

All the models have increased QPF with the system on Saturday. Might be a little more than originally expected, but as we know bust potential is high with the storm off the coast becoming the primary low.

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********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS
SNOWFALL OF
/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...
RUSHFORD 8.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

...CATTARAUGUS COUNTY...
PERRYSBURG 41.0 900 AM 12/13 TRAINED SPOTTER
LITTLE VALLEY 24.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...ERIE COUNTY...
COLDEN 44.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
WALES CENTER 33.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER
BOSTON 31.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
GLENWOOD 31.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
EAST AURORA 20.0 700 AM 12/13 NWS EMPLOYEE
NY BUFFALO INTL ARPT 6.7 700 AM 12/13 ASOS

...GENESEE COUNTY...
BATAVIA 11.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...LEWIS COUNTY...
CONSTABLEVILLE 56.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
GLENFIELD 42.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
HIGHMARKET 42.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER
LOWVILLE 32.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER
CROGHAN 17.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...LIVINGSTON COUNTY...
MOUNT MORRIS 10.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

...OSWEGO COUNTY...
REDFIELD 58.0 700 AM 12/13 TRAINED SPOTTER
LACONA 33.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
BENNETTS BRIDGE 28.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER
PULASKI 22.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...WYOMING COUNTY...
VARYSBURG 37.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS
WARSAW 34.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER
SILVER SPRINGS 21.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

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ZAFF/AR/THOMAS

 

Wow!

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********************STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL********************

LOCATION STORM TOTAL TIME/DATE COMMENTS

SNOWFALL OF

/INCHES/ MEASUREMENT

NEW YORK

...ALLEGANY COUNTY...

RUSHFORD 8.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

...CATTARAUGUS COUNTY...

PERRYSBURG 41.0 900 AM 12/13 TRAINED SPOTTER

LITTLE VALLEY 24.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...ERIE COUNTY...

COLDEN 44.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

WALES CENTER 33.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

BOSTON 31.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

GLENWOOD 31.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

EAST AURORA 20.0 700 AM 12/13 NWS EMPLOYEE

NY BUFFALO INTL ARPT 6.7 700 AM 12/13 ASOS

...GENESEE COUNTY...

BATAVIA 11.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...LEWIS COUNTY...

CONSTABLEVILLE 56.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

GLENFIELD 42.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

HIGHMARKET 42.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

LOWVILLE 32.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

CROGHAN 17.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...LIVINGSTON COUNTY...

MOUNT MORRIS 10.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

...OSWEGO COUNTY...

REDFIELD 58.0 700 AM 12/13 TRAINED SPOTTER

LACONA 33.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

BENNETTS BRIDGE 28.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

PULASKI 22.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

...WYOMING COUNTY...

VARYSBURG 37.0 700 AM 12/13 COCORAHS

WARSAW 34.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

SILVER SPRINGS 21.0 700 AM 12/13 CO-OP OBSERVER

$

ZAFF/AR/THOMAS

 

Wow!

Redfield cashing in like always  :wub:  :wub:

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ001>005-010-011-013-014-140445-

/O.CON.KBUF.WW.Y.0019.131214T1100Z-131215T1100Z/

NIAGARA-ORLEANS-MONROE-WAYNE-NORTHERN CAYUGA-NORTHERN ERIE-

GENESEE-LIVINGSTON-ONTARIO-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...NIAGARA FALLS...MEDINA...ROCHESTER...

NEWARK...FAIR HAVEN...BUFFALO...BATAVIA...GENESEO...CANANDAIGUA

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM SATURDAY

TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY...

* LOCATIONS...THE NIAGARA FRONTIER...GENESEE VALLEY...WESTERN

FINGER LAKES AND COUNTIES SOUTHEAST OF LAKE ONTARIO.

* TIMING...EARLY SATURDAY THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.

* HAZARDS...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 3 INCHES SATURDAY AND 2 TO 4 INCHES

SATURDAY NIGHT...LEADING TO STORM TOTALS OF 4 TO 7 INCHES.

* VISIBILITIES....AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...VERY DIFFICULT TRAVEL WITH SNOW COVERED ROADS AND

POOR VISIBILITY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NORMALLY ISSUED FOR A VARIETY OF

WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIGHT SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND WIND CHILLS. WHILE THE WEATHER WILL BE

SIGNIFICANT...THE WORD ADVISORY IMPLIES THAT SEVERE WINTER

WEATHER IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

REPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN

BUFFALO BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO [email protected]

TO THE NWS BUFFALO FACEBOOK PAGE...OR TWEET...USING THE HASHTAG

BUFWX

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

&&

$$

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ006>008-140445-

/O.CON.KBUF.WW.Y.0019.131214T1900Z-131215T1500Z/

OSWEGO-JEFFERSON-LEWIS-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...OSWEGO...WATERTOWN...LOWVILLE

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM SATURDAY

TO 10 AM EST SUNDAY...

* LOCATIONS...JEFFERSON AND LEWIS COUNTIES.

* TIMING...SATURDAY AFTERNOON THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING.

* HAZARDS...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...AN INCH OR LESS SATURDAY...4 TO 7 INCHES

SATURDAY NIGHT...AND 1 TO 3 INCHES SUNDAY...LEADING TO STORM

TOTALS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES.

* VISIBILITIES...AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...TRAVEL WILL BE DIFFICULT AT TIMES WITH SNOW COVERED

ROADS AND POOR VISIBILITY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NORMALLY ISSUED FOR A VARIETY OF

WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIGHT SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND WIND CHILLS. WHILE THE WEATHER WILL BE

SIGNIFICANT...THE WORD ADVISORY IMPLIES THAT SEVERE WINTER

WEATHER IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

REPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN

BUFFALO BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO [email protected]

TO THE NWS BUFFALO FACEBOOK PAGE...OR TWEET...USING THE HASHTAG

BUFWX

&&

$$

HITCHCOCK

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ012-085-140445-

/O.CON.KBUF.LE.W.0010.000000T0000Z-131214T0000Z/

/O.CON.KBUF.WW.Y.0019.131214T1100Z-131215T1100Z/

WYOMING-SOUTHERN ERIE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...WARSAW...ORCHARD PARK...SPRINGVILLE

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS

EVENING...

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM SATURDAY

TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY...

* LOCATIONS...SOUTHERN ERIE AND WYOMING COUNTIES.

* TIMING AND HAZARDS...LAKE EFFECT SNOW THROUGH EARLY THIS

EVENING. A GENERAL SNOW SATURDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT.

* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 3 INCHES THROUGH EARLY EVENING. 2 TO 3

INCHES SATURDAY...AND 2 TO 3 INCHES SATURDAY NIGHT LEADING TO

STORM TOTALS OF 4 TO 6 INCHES.

* WINDS...EAST 10 TO 20 MPH.

* VISIBILITIES...AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...TRAVEL WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT AT TIMES WITH SNOW

COVERED ROADS AND POOR VISIBILITY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN LAKE EFFECT SNOW THE WEATHER CAN VARY FROM LOCALLY HEAVY SNOW

IN NARROW BANDS TO CLEAR SKIES JUST A FEW MILES AWAY. IF YOU WILL

BE TRAVELING ACROSS THE REGION BE PREPARED FOR RAPID CHANGES IN

ROAD AND VISIBILITY CONDITIONS.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NORMALLY ISSUED FOR A VARIETY OF

WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIGHT SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND WIND CHILLS. WHILE THE WEATHER WILL BE

SIGNIFICANT...THE WORD ADVISORY IMPLIES THAT SEVERE WINTER

WEATHER IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

REPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN

BUFFALO BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO [email protected]

TO THE NWS BUFFALO FACEBOOK PAGE...OR TWEET...USING THE HASHTAG

BUFWX

&&

$$

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ019-020-140445-

/O.CON.KBUF.LE.W.0010.000000T0000Z-131214T0000Z/

/O.CON.KBUF.WW.Y.0019.131214T0700Z-131215T1100Z/

CHAUTAUQUA-CATTARAUGUS-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...JAMESTOWN...OLEAN

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS

EVENING...

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM SATURDAY

TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY...

* LOCATIONS...CHAUTAQUA...SOUTHERN ERIE...WYOMING...AND NORTHERN

PORTIONS OF CATTARAUGUS COUNTY.

* TIMING AND HAZARDS...LAKE EFFECT SNOW THROUGH EARLY THIS

EVENING. A GENERAL SNOW LATER TONIGHT THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY

MORNING.

* ACCUMULATIONS...2 TO 3 INCHES THROUGH EARLY THIS EVENING. 1 TO

3 INCHES TONIGHT...2 TO 4 INCHES SATURDAY...AND 2 TO 3 INCHES

SATURDAY NIGHT LEADING TO STORM TOTALS OF 5 TO 9 INCHES.

* WINDS...EAST 5 TO 15 MPH.

* VISIBILITIES...AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...TRAVEL WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT AT TIMES WITH SNOW

COVERED ROADS AND POOR VISIBILITY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN LAKE EFFECT SNOW THE WEATHER CAN VARY FROM LOCALLY HEAVY SNOW

IN NARROW BANDS TO CLEAR SKIES JUST A FEW MILES AWAY. IF YOU WILL

BE TRAVELING ACROSS THE REGION BE PREPARED FOR RAPID CHANGES IN

ROAD AND VISIBILITY CONDITIONS.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NORMALLY ISSUED FOR A VARIETY OF

WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIGHT SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND WIND CHILLS. WHILE THE WEATHER WILL BE

SIGNIFICANT...THE WORD ADVISORY IMPLIES THAT SEVERE WINTER

WEATHER IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

REPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN

BUFFALO BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO [email protected]

TO THE NWS BUFFALO FACEBOOK PAGE...OR TWEET...USING THE HASHTAG

BUFWX

&&

$$

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BUFFALO NY

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ021-140445-

/O.CON.KBUF.WW.Y.0019.131214T0700Z-131215T1100Z/

ALLEGANY-

INCLUDING THE CITY OF...WELLSVILLE

339 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 AM SATURDAY

TO 6 AM EST SUNDAY...

* LOCATIONS...ALLEGANY COUNTY.

* TIMING...LATE TONIGHT THROUGH EARLY SUNDAY MORNING.

* HAZARDS...SNOW.

* ACCUMULATIONS...AROUND AN INCH OVERNIGHT...2 TO 4 INCHES

SATURDAY...AND 2 TO 3 INCHES SATURDAY NIGHT...LEADING TO STORM

TOTALS OF 5 TO 8 INCHES.

* VISIBILITIES....AS LOW AS A QUARTER MILE AT TIMES.

* IMPACTS...DIFFICULT TRAVEL CONDITIONS WITH SNOW COVERED ROADS

AND POOR VISIBILITY AT TIMES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NORMALLY ISSUED FOR A VARIETY OF

WINTER WEATHER CONDITIONS SUCH AS LIGHT SNOW...BLOWING SNOW...

SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND WIND CHILLS. WHILE THE WEATHER WILL BE

SIGNIFICANT...THE WORD ADVISORY IMPLIES THAT SEVERE WINTER

WEATHER IS NOT ANTICIPATED.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO OR YOUR FAVORITE SOURCE OF

WEATHER INFORMATION FOR THE LATEST UPDATES. ADDITIONAL DETAILS

CAN ALSO BE FOUND AT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/BUFFALO.

REPORT SNOW ACCUMULATION TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN

BUFFALO BY SENDING AN EMAIL TO [email protected]

TO THE NWS BUFFALO FACEBOOK PAGE...OR TWEET...USING THE HASHTAG

BUFWX

&&

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BINGHAMTON NY

322 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

NYZ018-142030-

/O.EXP.KBGM.LE.Y.0018.000000T0000Z-131213T2000Z/

/O.UPG.KBGM.WS.A.0003.131214T1100Z-131215T1200Z/

/O.NEW.KBGM.WW.Y.0014.131214T1200Z-131215T1200Z/

ONONDAGA-

INCLUDING THE CITY OF...SYRACUSE

322 PM EST FRI DEC 13 2013

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM SATURDAY TO 7 AM

EST SUNDAY...

...LAKE EFFECT SNOW ADVISORY HAS EXPIRED...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BINGHAMTON HAS ISSUED A WINTER

WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM SATURDAY

TO 7 AM EST SUNDAY. THE WINTER STORM WATCH IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

* LOCATIONS...ONONDAGA COUNTY.

* HAZARDS...MODERATE SNOW ACCUMULATIONS.

* ACCUMULATIONS...4 TO 6 INCHES OF SNOW.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL SPREAD OVER THE AREA SATURDAY MORNING WITH

THE HEAVIEST SNOWFALL RATES EXPECTED SATURDAY NIGHT.

* TEMPERATURES...IN THE TEENS.

* WINDS...EASTERLY WINDS 10 TO 20 MPH.

* IMPACTS...DRIVING MAY BECOME DIFFICULT SATURDAY AND SATURDAY

NIGHT.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR

FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR

SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE

DRIVING.

PLEASE REPORT SNOWFALL AND/OR ICE AMOUNTS TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER

SERVICE BY CALLING TOLL FREE AT 1-877-633-6772...OR BY EMAIL AT

[email protected].

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Wow. Not a single model in the last 4 days showing less than 6" of snow in Ithaca and Binghamton gives us an advisory for 4-6? Pathetic. Zero support for their forecast, beyond an analog from January 2011 where the jackpot zones for this storm got 5 inches.

But at least we're getting some "bonus" snow already ahead of the main show. Didn't expect it to be that snowy all day. Looks like about 2 inches here since the morning already with continued light snow.

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BGM WFO definitely taking the "under" on this next storm. 4-6" for KSYR looks a tad low based on qpf fields, though these are among the most unreliable of the various NWP outputs.  FWIW, a quick eyeball of NWP shows both NAM and GFS 12Z spit out about 0.7" liquid at KSYR for the storm.  That's about 8.5" at 12:1.  Given today's hype machine world, I'm surprised BGM hasn't jumped on the WSW bandwagon.  I will say KBGM has been pretty good w/ LES for No. Onondaga county this week (5" on my snowboard and maybe another 3/4" since noon, total of 8" IMBY for the entire event).

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But at least we're getting some "bonus" snow already ahead of the main show. Didn't expect it to be that snowy all day. Looks like about 2 inches here since the morning already with continued light snow.

 

Yes, the snow "showers" for today definitely overperformed. If nothing else, virga won't be a problem with this storm. Where in Ithaca are you?

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BGM WFO definitely taking the "under" on this next storm. 4-6" for KSYR looks a tad low based on qpf fields, though these are among the most unreliable of the various NWP outputs.  FWIW, a quick eyeball of NWP shows both NAM and GFS 12Z spit out about 0.7" liquid at KSYR for the storm.  That's about 8.5" at 12:1.  Given today's hype machine world, I'm surprised BGM hasn't jumped on the WSW bandwagon.  I will say KBGM has been pretty good w/ LES for No. Onondaga county this week (5" on my snowboard and maybe another 3/4" since noon, total of 8" IMBY for the entire event).

 

I've never seen such model consistency for our region for a winter storm(different story near I-95). Since Monday it's been a general 6-8 across nearly the entirety of upstate NY, with 10-12 inch lollipops. I get taking the under since that's what I usually do, but there's almost always at least one dissenting model which I can hang my hat on. What's really crazy is putting even the Catskills under a WWA, there's no way they get less than 8".

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I'd go 6-10" for Niagara Frontier.  I think 4-7" is a touch too low.  Snowgrowth is excellent, modeled qpf is somwhere between 0.55 (euro) and 0.75" (NAM).  The number CIPS analog is Dec 15, 2007...an event where BUF saw 12" and Lockport saw 18".  (That shortwave was considerably stronger than this one, though.)

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I've never seen such model consistency for our region for a winter storm(different story near I-95). Since Monday it's been a general 6-8 across nearly the entirety of upstate NY, with 10-12 inch lollipops. I get taking the under since that's what I usually do, but there's almost always at least one dissenting model which I can hang my hat on. What's really crazy is putting even the Catskills under a WWA, there's no way they get less than 8".

That's a good point, model consistency has been "unusually" good w/ this system the past few days for New York state.  BGM's AFD has had this nugget buried in it regarding this storm, the past day or so...

"MODEL SOUNDINGS ALSO INDICATE SNOW GROWTH REGION NOT COINCIDENT WITH THE BETTER MOISTURE OR LIFT IMPLYING A LOWERSNOW/LIQUID RATIO."

 

Perhaps this is why they are lowballing a bit. I haven't looked close enough to see if that's still indicated on NWP.  Perhaps also the double barrel structure of the system is concerning, we've seen cases where the primary hangs on too long and some interior areas between the sfc lows get semi-dryslotted.  I don't really see that here but its out there as a possibility.

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That's a good point, model consistency has been "unusually" good w/ this system the past few days for New York state.  BGM's AFD has had this nugget buried in it regarding this storm, the past day or so...

"MODEL SOUNDINGS ALSO INDICATE SNOW GROWTH REGION NOT COINCIDENT WITH THE BETTER MOISTURE OR LIFT IMPLYING A LOWERSNOW/LIQUID RATIO."

 

Perhaps this is why they are lowballing a bit. I haven't looked close enough to see if that's still indicated on NWP.  Perhaps also the double barrel structure of the system is concerning, we've seen cases where the primary hangs on too long and some interior areas between the sfc lows get semi-dryslotted.  I don't really see that here but its out there as a possibility.

I could see us getting "bit" a bit by an earlier dry slot/qpf cutoff....esp. with a stronger "zombie" primary.  As a matter of fact, it would not surprise me at all to see a few shallow warm layers providing some pingers late Sat. night before the secondary takes off.  I think SYR sees 6"....but not much more.

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KBUF also thinks the QPF is overdone and mentioned earlier it depends how early the transfer is to the second low.

Yes, for you guys and gals in the western part of the state, the speed of transfer will impact you more, as forcing/lift may diminish rates out your way.

 

Over CNY, we may benefit from better placement/location relative to the strengthening 700 and 850 height fields...long enough to buffer any rapid negative effects from llv forcing from the secondary deepening.  I'm a little worried about a stronger primary...we (W. and CNY) can and have get/been screwed by llv warm layers that crash our ratios, and sometimes, turn us over to a small flake/drizzly pile of crap.  Let's hope my concerns are just paranoia!

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The new NAM is juicy for CNY. Wow! Picked up 5" in Phoenix this morning in about 2.5 hours. Nice.

Yeah, our area via the NAM is solidly into 1" of qpf.....even shaving off 40% gets us .6....and at 12 or so to 1 we are looking at a solid 7-8".  If GFS trends a bit wetter than it has, I'd look for the NWS offices to entertain upgrading to WSW's for CNY counties.  Otherwise, it's probably the NAM just being the NAM 18 hours before a storm!'

 

We've seen this dog and pony show before....like clockwork!!!

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I actually thought Binghamton would of done the WSWatch for us. You guys are the pros but what I am seeing says it could rip for a bit tomorrow night with 1" per rates with a decent east southeast wind. Thinking of the trhuway corridor down the Mohawk. Travel may be tough around here after 9 or so.

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