Powerball Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any additional 1-4" snowfalls can be shoved into a very dark place for this season. I'm all out of chunk change. As far as expecting anymore than that, yes, I am giving up on this one. It's not like we're 72 hours where a drastic change in solutions will take place. Besides, the trend this season seem to be that we trend weaker/less phased with these systems as we approach their time frames. I hate that I let the Canadian/European models kinda suck me in, which still only showed 3-4" of snow as of its most "impressive" runs (12z 2/5/2013). And after that one last system cruises by to the SE next week, I will have my grade for this winter. But again, if nothing else, I am pulling for those in Northern Lower Michigan into Toronto (this will probably be their biggest synoptic snowstorm in some time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually noticed some slight difference in GFS QPF via NCEP page and InstantWeatherMaps. InstantWeathermaps sugesting 10-12" here (actually what the Euro had). Should have a WSW up here tomorrow morning if nothing drastically chages with the Euro. Hoping it's a little more south for you and SSC. Have a better chance at wining the powerball jackpot then getting any needed shift for a decent hit here. Regardless it is much improved from what the models had been showing a few days back and thus the rain. Just need the next one to follow suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers09 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any additional 1-4" snowfalls can be shoved into a very dark place for this season. I'm all out of chunk change. As far as expecting anymore than that, yes, I am giving up on this one. It's not like we're 72 hours where a drastic change in solutions will take place. Besides, the trend this season seem to be that we trend weaker/less phased with these systems as we approach their time frames. I hate that I let the Canadian/European models kinda suck me in, which still only showed 3-4" of snow as of its most "impressive" runs (12z 2/5/2013). And after that one last system cruises by to the SE next week, I will have my grade for this winter. But again, if nothing else, I am pulling for those in Northern Lower Michigan into Toronto (this will probably be their biggest synoptic snowstorm in some time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Have a better chance at wining the powerball jackpot then getting any needed shift for a decent hit here. Regardless it is much improved from what the models had been showing a few days back and thus the rain. Just need the next one to follow suit. Yup. Our biggest system here has been 3" this season so far. Didn't see anything above 4-5" last season as well. (In Mount Pleasant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I seem to been missing a lot of the systems this winter, Although I'm in Michigan I am also way out of any "lake effect" area. So, I'm crossing my fingers on this one for Thursday. Mike Saginaw valley looks prime... 5-8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Pretty sweet run from the 00z GFS for SE WI, looks pretty similar to the 12z run but with more qpf. Nice. This week just keeps on getting better.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Nice. This week just keeps on getting better.. It is such a thread the needle situation I'm not sure I can even buy it. The 850-surface 0C line sneaks so close to Milwaukee that it is a gift from the gods it stays just to the south and west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Josh model bonus QPF For us, the 00z is the best GFS run here and worst NAM run regarding this event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 00Z GEM has the system moving faster through the GTA, this certainly could lower accumulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any additional 1-4" snowfalls can be shoved into a very dark place for this season. I'm all out of chunk change. As far as expecting anymore than that, yes, I am giving up on this one. It's not like we're 72 hours where a drastic change in solutions will take place. Besides, the trend this season seem to be that we trend weaker/less phased with these systems as we approach their time frames. I hate that I let the Canadian/European models kinda suck me in, which still only showed 3-4" of snow as of its most "impressive" runs (12z 2/5/2013). And after that one last system cruises by to the SE next week, I will have my grade for this winter. But again, if nothing else, I am pulling for those in Northern Lower Michigan into Toronto (this will probably be their biggest synoptic snowstorm in some time). Going deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It is such a thread the needle situation I'm not sure I can even buy it. The 850-surface 0C line sneaks so close to Milwaukee that it is a gift from the gods it stays just to the south and west. Actually it sinks away from Milwaukee as the band moves in. More of a nail bitter down this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually it sinks away from Milwaukee as the band moves in. More of a nail bitter down this way. gfs4.jpg I'm saying it's a nailbiter because it hovers so close by before sinking away. No room for any more WAA surge in our case, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 If we can start out as snow, I think we will stay as snow the entire time. While the NAM has an above freezing layer between 950 and 850 (GFS keeps the entire column below freezing), however the column drops below freezing due to evaporational cooling at the onset of precipitation . As long as the strength of the WAA stays as progged, the precip rates should allow the column to stay at or below freezing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 If we can start out as snow, I think we will stay as snow the entire time. While the NAM has an above freezing layer between 950 and 850 (GFS keeps the entire column below freezing), however the column drops below freezing due to evaporational cooling at the onset of precipitation . As long as the strength of the WAA stays as progged, the precip rates should allow the column to stay at or below freezing. That's what I was thinking, if dynamic cooling has something to say about it, that combined with snowcover will make it difficult for a mix or rain to hang on for too long unless WAA is drastically undermodeled in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 That's what I was thinking, if dynamic cooling has something to say about it, that combined with snowcover will make it difficult for a mix or rain to hang on for too long unless WAA is drastically undermodeled in this situation. Taking things as they are right now rain shouldn't be an issue, its a matter if we have mostly snow or a bit of sleet mixing in especially near the IL/WI border. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Today's models still point towards a 99.9% rain event for here and the QC. That 0.1% will consist of 5 minutes of sleet. Good luck to those north and east. Especially the Toronto peeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Euro looks a tad slower but still showing good snow in northern IL at 48hr. 0 deg 850mb line runs from BRL-PIA-SBN at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Euro looks good for Thursday night, Friday morning in Michigan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Chistorm, it's time for those text outputs when you receive them. This Euro run is so close to being great for those in N Illinois and SE Wisconsin, and it looks like it is good verbatim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Chistorm, it's time for those text outputs when you receive them. This Euro run is so close to being great for those in N Illinois and SE Wisconsin, and it looks like it is good verbatim. Any idea how much qpf the Euro shows for MKE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Euro looks good for Thursday night, Friday morning in Michigan! Actually shows .50+ for all of us. Highest from Muskegon/Grand Rapids east to the Thumb on over to SSC backyard .75+ and even a blob of 1 inch + qpf near Mt Pleasant and again Toronto.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any idea how much qpf the Euro shows for MKE? Just a guess based off of maps, we have two 6 hour periods of 0.1-0.25" QPF, and one period of 0.25-0.5"QPF, so probably about 0.6-0.7"QPF, and nearly all should be snow based on 850s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastFromTheEast Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Just a guess based off of maps, we have two 6 hour periods of 0.1-0.25" QPF, and one period of 0.25-0.5"QPF, so probably about 0.6-0.7"QPF, and nearly all should be snow based on 850s. Think MKX will pull the trigger on some headlines tomorrow morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I'll let Joe do the list but this is for DPA. Atleast good for a few inches on this run if not more. So close. THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.8 0.5 1019 83 98 0.04 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.5 0.6 1017 92 97 0.17 554 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.0 -2.2 1015 98 99 0.38 551 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.4 -4.8 1018 91 88 0.17 543 529 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.9 -6.0 1022 87 49 0.01 544 526 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 Think MKX will pull the trigger on some headlines tomorrow morning? Maybe a SWS since it's so close, then put in a WWA or WSW with the afternoon shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually shows .50+ for all of us. Highest from Muskegon/Grand Rapids east to the Thumb on over to SSC backyard .75+ and even a blob of 1 inch + qpf near Mt Pleasant and again Toronto.. Solid again. Thanks, Harry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Actually shows .50+ for all of us. Highest from Muskegon/Grand Rapids east to the Thumb on over to SSC backyard .75+ and even a blob of 1 inch + qpf near Mt Pleasant and again Toronto.. Not only does the EURO seem to be the wettest for us, but also the coldest. 2m temps in the 20s the entire time. Since we will be starting with an approximately 4" snowpack, if the euro verified we would be seeing our first double-digit snow depths since Feb 2011. Dont want to jump the gun though, remember NAM has next to nothing lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers09 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Solid to have the ECMWF remain steadfast and steady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 0z ECMWF text list... LSE: THU 00Z 07-FEB -0.8 -1.5 1018 82 98 0.02 552 537 THU 06Z 07-FEB -0.5 -1.3 1018 91 87 0.04 552 537 THU 12Z 07-FEB -1.2 -1.6 1017 95 61 0.02 550 537 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.7 -2.7 1019 89 58 0.01 548 533 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.2 -5.7 1020 90 81 0.02 544 527 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.9 -7.9 1024 88 64 0.02 543 524 CID: THU 06Z 07-FEB 3.0 3.3 1016 77 87 0.01 557 544 THU 12Z 07-FEB 2.0 2.6 1015 93 84 0.03 555 543 THU 18Z 07-FEB 2.2 0.7 1016 97 95 0.12 553 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 1.2 -2.8 1018 95 38 0.05 547 533 FRI 06Z 08-FEB 0.1 -4.8 1022 91 39 0.01 546 528 DVN: THU 06Z 07-FEB 2.4 4.0 1017 71 77 0.02 557 543 THU 12Z 07-FEB 1.8 2.6 1016 90 76 0.06 556 543 THU 18Z 07-FEB 2.4 0.7 1016 95 97 0.18 554 542 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.7 -0.8 1017 98 86 0.25 550 536 FRI 06Z 08-FEB 0.1 -4.0 1020 91 43 0.01 544 528 MSN: THU 00Z 07-FEB -1.5 -1.4 1021 83 99 0.01 553 537 THU 06Z 07-FEB -1.4 -1.0 1020 87 96 0.03 553 538 THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.8 -1.1 1018 93 96 0.08 552 538 THU 18Z 07-FEB -0.2 -2.2 1018 93 94 0.13 551 537 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.4 -4.6 1018 95 79 0.14 546 532 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.1 -6.6 1021 91 82 0.04 542 526 MKE: THU 06Z 07-FEB -1.2 -0.1 1021 86 97 0.02 554 537 THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.3 -1.8 1019 92 97 0.09 553 537 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.2 -2.6 1019 92 100 0.20 552 537 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -1.1 -4.9 1018 94 98 0.30 548 534 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.7 -6.9 1019 90 95 0.16 542 527 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -2.5 -8.2 1023 86 38 0.02 543 525 RAC: THU 06Z 07-FEB -0.9 0.3 1021 85 92 0.01 554 537 THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.1 -1.4 1019 90 98 0.08 553 538 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.3 -2.1 1018 91 98 0.20 552 538 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.7 -4.5 1017 94 99 0.35 548 535 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.5 -6.7 1019 90 95 0.18 542 528 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.9 -8.1 1023 85 41 0.02 543 525 RFD: THU 06Z 07-FEB -1.0 2.8 1019 81 76 0.00 556 540 THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.2 0.7 1018 90 98 0.09 554 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.3 -0.1 1017 95 97 0.13 553 540 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.2 -2.6 1016 96 98 0.36 549 536 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.4 -4.8 1019 88 73 0.08 543 527 DKB: THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.5 0.9 1018 86 99 0.05 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.3 0.5 1017 95 96 0.17 554 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.1 -2.3 1016 97 99 0.42 550 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.5 -4.5 1018 89 80 0.12 543 528 DPA: THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.8 0.5 1019 83 98 0.04 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.5 0.6 1017 92 97 0.17 554 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.0 -2.2 1015 98 99 0.38 551 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.4 -4.8 1018 91 88 0.17 543 529 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.9 -6.0 1022 87 49 0.01 544 526 UGN: THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.3 -0.6 1019 87 100 0.06 554 539 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.4 -0.9 1018 90 96 0.17 553 539 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -0.2 -3.5 1016 96 100 0.40 549 537 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.4 -6.0 1018 91 94 0.21 543 528 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.7 -7.8 1022 85 46 0.02 543 525 ORD: THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.6 0.1 1019 82 97 0.04 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.6 0.4 1017 91 99 0.15 554 540 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.2 -2.2 1015 97 99 0.35 551 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.0 -5.3 1017 91 91 0.23 543 530 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.4 -7.1 1022 86 53 0.02 543 526 MDW: THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.6 0.6 1020 80 95 0.02 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 1.2 0.8 1017 86 92 0.11 555 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.5 -1.7 1015 97 100 0.23 551 539 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -0.4 -5.0 1017 90 91 0.26 544 531 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.0 -7.0 1021 84 58 0.02 543 526 VPZ: THU 18Z 07-FEB 1.6 1.8 1018 75 86 0.02 556 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 1.0 -0.1 1014 91 100 0.04 553 542 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -0.2 -4.2 1014 95 86 0.30 547 535 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.4 -7.3 1020 85 64 0.02 542 527 LAF: FRI 06Z 08-FEB 1.3 -0.4 1013 98 97 0.16 551 541 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -0.7 -4.4 1019 84 49 0.02 544 530 OKK: FRI 06Z 08-FEB 2.2 0.5 1012 96 100 0.11 551 542 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -2.0 -4.9 1017 89 65 0.08 544 530 FWA: FRI 06Z 08-FEB -0.7 0.4 1012 92 100 0.08 551 541 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -2.7 -5.8 1016 88 75 0.17 543 530 MKG: THU 06Z 07-FEB -2.6 -3.6 1023 83 100 0.04 552 534 THU 12Z 07-FEB -2.5 -4.2 1022 83 99 0.04 552 535 THU 18Z 07-FEB -2.1 -4.0 1020 86 99 0.18 552 536 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -2.3 -5.3 1018 90 100 0.31 548 534 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.5 -7.1 1018 88 98 0.29 543 529 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.0 -8.2 1022 81 79 0.06 541 524 GRR: THU 06Z 07-FEB -4.4 -3.8 1024 85 100 0.02 553 534 THU 12Z 07-FEB -4.2 -3.1 1023 83 100 0.01 552 535 THU 18Z 07-FEB -2.8 -3.9 1021 82 100 0.10 553 536 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -2.3 -4.3 1018 91 100 0.25 550 536 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -3.2 -6.4 1017 91 100 0.42 544 531 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.8 -8.0 1020 84 94 0.12 540 524 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -3.0 -7.6 1025 67 15 0.01 544 524 BTL: THU 18Z 07-FEB -1.8 -1.9 1021 77 100 0.02 554 538 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -1.5 -2.4 1017 85 100 0.07 551 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -3.2 -4.3 1015 91 100 0.33 546 535 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.6 -7.3 1019 87 94 0.17 540 526 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -3.3 -6.7 1024 72 18 0.01 544 525 MOP: THU 06Z 07-FEB -4.7 -6.4 1025 83 100 0.04 550 531 THU 12Z 07-FEB -4.7 -5.1 1024 86 100 0.10 550 532 THU 18Z 07-FEB -3.5 -6.2 1023 80 99 0.11 551 533 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -3.5 -6.6 1020 92 100 0.27 548 532 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -3.5 -7.7 1018 92 99 0.34 543 529 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -5.0 -8.5 1022 84 91 0.14 540 523 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -4.5 -8.8 1026 68 12 0.01 542 522 PTK: THU 12Z 07-FEB -6.2 -3.7 1025 79 92 0.03 553 533 THU 18Z 07-FEB -1.4 -2.6 1023 70 98 0.01 553 535 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -2.8 -2.9 1019 74 100 0.01 551 536 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -3.5 -4.5 1016 84 100 0.10 547 535 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.9 -7.2 1017 89 98 0.42 542 529 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -3.3 -8.7 1021 74 67 0.07 540 524 DET: THU 12Z 07-FEB -5.6 -3.5 1026 82 93 0.02 553 534 THU 18Z 07-FEB -1.9 -2.3 1023 74 92 0.01 554 536 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -2.7 -2.0 1019 72 97 0.00 552 537 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.8 -3.3 1015 81 99 0.02 549 536 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.0 -6.1 1015 91 99 0.46 543 532 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -3.0 -8.6 1020 76 84 0.13 540 524 DTW: FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.8 -2.8 1015 83 99 0.03 549 537 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.2 -5.9 1015 90 98 0.44 543 532 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -3.0 -8.0 1020 75 78 0.09 540 524 TOL: FRI 06Z 08-FEB -2.5 -0.2 1013 87 99 0.02 550 540 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -3.1 -5.0 1014 91 90 0.35 544 533 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -2.8 -6.9 1020 77 68 0.05 541 525 CLE: FRI 12Z 08-FEB 1.5 -0.7 1009 90 100 0.10 548 540 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -4.4 -7.4 1015 88 98 0.32 540 528 SAT 00Z 09-FEB -5.3 -10.1 1023 83 32 0.04 540 522 SAT 06Z 09-FEB -6.9 -8.4 1027 83 11 0.01 544 523 YKF: THU 12Z 07-FEB -7.4 -10.3 1029 72 95 0.01 549 527 THU 18Z 07-FEB -3.9 -7.9 1027 64 100 0.02 551 529 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -5.9 -5.0 1024 85 87 0.06 550 531 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -5.2 -5.0 1020 90 98 0.05 547 531 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -8.7 -6.6 1018 87 99 0.24 544 530 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -9.3 -9.1 1019 82 100 0.46 540 525 SAT 00Z 09-FEB -9.7 -9.7 1023 78 95 0.15 538 521 SAT 06Z 09-FEB -15.1 -10.0 1026 82 12 0.01 540 520 YYZ: THU 12Z 07-FEB -6.6 -12.2 1029 72 96 0.01 548 525 THU 18Z 07-FEB -4.5 -9.7 1029 70 98 0.02 550 527 FRI 00Z 08-FEB -5.2 -6.8 1026 81 92 0.08 549 529 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -4.8 -6.4 1022 85 95 0.08 547 530 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -7.2 -7.5 1020 89 100 0.21 544 529 FRI 18Z 08-FEB -8.5 -9.1 1019 86 99 0.49 541 526 SAT 00Z 09-FEB -8.7 -10.2 1023 81 98 0.31 538 521 SAT 06Z 09-FEB -10.8 -10.7 1025 81 52 0.03 539 520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted February 6, 2013 Author Share Posted February 6, 2013 I'll let Joe do the list but this is for DPA. Atleast good for a few inches on this run if not more. So close. THU 12Z 07-FEB -0.8 0.5 1019 83 98 0.04 555 540 THU 18Z 07-FEB 0.5 0.6 1017 92 97 0.17 554 541 FRI 00Z 08-FEB 0.0 -2.2 1015 98 99 0.38 551 538 FRI 06Z 08-FEB -1.4 -4.8 1018 91 88 0.17 543 529 FRI 12Z 08-FEB -1.9 -6.0 1022 87 49 0.01 544 526 Just throwing this out there, because it could be relevant, but the Euro last night had 925mb temps at ORD for 18z Tuesday (today) at 0.1C. I don't believe ORD got above 30F or 31F today, correct me if I'm wrong, so that could be a good sign that even the Euro could be overdoing temps just a wee bit and not taking snowcover into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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