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Obi-One-Marchobi Episode II (Feb 29/March 1 event)


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Which model do you think will or would handle the lift better, GFS or NAM? It's fantastic to see the GFS coming in slightly colder, definitely makes me feel more confident for a colder solution for mainly snow for the beginning and most of part 1 here but the GFS certainly doesn't look as impressive with the lift as the NAM does.

NAM tends to over do lift a lot...usually I'd side with GFS...however in this situation where the GFS performs poorly (assuming this is true which it often is) with CAD...it can have an effect on its other parameters like lift...more defined CAD will cause better lift in this setup because you have a LLJ from the southwest smashing into resistance....higher resistance means more lift.

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NAM tends to over do lift a lot...usually I'd side with GFS...however in this situation where the GFS performs poorly (assuming this is true which it often is) with CAD...it can have an effect on its other parameters like lift...more defined CAD will cause better lift in this setup because you have a LLJ from the southwest smashing into resistance....higher resistance means more lift.

There is something I found of interesting when looking at the LLJ at 850...

The NAM which increases heights and pushes that ridge into ME along with a bit more sharper trough extending into western NE forces the LLJ to turn more southerly...the GFS meanwhile is more from the SW...so shouldn't the GFS be showing stronger lifting than the NAM? Or is it the fact that there is a great deal of isentropic lift involved b/c of the packed temp. contours?

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GFS is virtually nil down here for part two which would be fine with me so long I get 3-5'' from part 1 which seems like a decent possibility. Although I feel the forecasting for part two is going to be the most difficult of this event b/c it's all really going to matter on how strong the energy is as it rotates through and where it exactly tracks. Part 2 though would really be a huge boost for central New England...would give many some very solid snow totals (warning criteria type snows).

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Meh. We've had some bouts of snow but very few snowcover days (outside the shady spots). The lake never froze which really sucks. Last winter we took the car on the ice; this year we could waterski. I expect one more dump in March out there. Maybe a 10-15 job. They are due for a decent snow. I think they are around 85" for the season but I don't have good stats.

Obviously. Highly doubtful this go 'round.

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thanks will

i must be doing something wrong... even through plymouth (http://vortex.plymouth.edu/models.html), i still only get the Feb 27 12Z run

don't worry about it, not worth your time now if it's complicated

Go back to the main page and choose "make your own" and then scroll down to "composite overlays" and then you can choose the Ukie there.

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Greater than 0.50 of liquid equivalent in 6 hours with temperatures supporting snow would qualify as a 6 hour snow bomb in most cases.

Agreed. I guess I saw the large green swath and didnt know why it was called a Boston bomb when it covered such a wide area. But then, I saw, on Plymouth, that Boston is indeed below 0. Just... While most of the area south and west is above. Congrats Boston. Actually, congrats Ma!

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If its like the GGEM, its only good for Mass. on North. GGEM torched most of CT/RI, save for elevations above 600 ft.

I dunno about that...CT is getting hit pretty hard at 48 hours....the 1000-700mb thickness line moves to the MA/CT border by 12z Fri but I wouldn't exactly call that torching CT...they are getting snow leading up to that point.

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I dunno about that...CT is getting hit pretty hard at 48 hours....the 1000-700mb thickness line moves to the MA/CT border by 12z Fri but I wouldn't exactly call that torching CT...they are getting snow leading up to that point.

What would you say is the total QPF for ORH for part 1 and 2 combined...does about 1'' sound about right? Bufkit through the 84-HR period has like 1.1''.

The tough part gauging this is it seems very possible that in between parts one and two it could be lightly snowing most of the time across many locations, especially across MA/S NH/VT

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What would you say is the total QPF for ORH for part 1 and 2 combined...does about 1'' sound about right? Bufkit through the 84-HR period has like 1.1''.

The tough part gauging this is it seems very possible that in between parts one and two it could be lightly snowing most of the time across many locations, especially across MA/S NH/VT

Which model? NAM has over an inch here....GFS doesn't and GFS also warms us for a time in the mid-levels above freezing....Ukie is hard to tell since we do not have 48-54h qpf but probably pretty robust in overall qpf....GGEM looks like maybe just shy of an inch of qpf total (I'd estimate around 22-23mm which is like 0.90").

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I dunno about that...CT is getting hit pretty hard at 48 hours....the 1000-700mb thickness line moves to the MA/CT border by 12z Fri but I wouldn't exactly call that torching CT...they are getting snow leading up to that point.

I'd also ask, what torch? If it's the 850mb temps...no. Just because those edge +1C ...event +2C, may only mean sleet/ZR in this synoptic set up. Too much polar high anchored.

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Which model? NAM has over an inch here....GFS doesn't and GFS also warms us for a time in the mid-levels above freezing....Ukie is hard to tell since we do not have 48-54h qpf but probably pretty robust in overall qpf....GGEM looks like maybe just shy of an inch of qpf total (I'd estimate around 22-23mm which is like 0.90").

The NAM...I was just looking over NAM bufkit soundings.

Interesting how the GFS does bring mlvl warmth that far north....Ukie/GGEM aren't that robust with the mlvl warmth are they?

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