NickD2011 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The amounts of snowfall are not that much, and it probably wouldn't close schools if it happened on a weekday. The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Would you consider this a HECS, lumped in with the great storms like the Blizzard of 96, PDII, Boxing Day Blizzard, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Given the month, yes. But overall scheme, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 It is not a HECS by definition. But it is a historic east coast snowstorm for other reasons. There has never, ever, been a snowstorm of this magnitude this time of year in this area. That in itself makes this historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes this will be classified as a KU no doubt. There has never been a KU in October....or November. Until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes this will be classified as a KU no doubt. There has never been a KU in October....or November. Until now Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Doesn't "H" mean Historical? If so, then yea this qualifies. You'll remember this storm the rest of your life even if you only got 4 inches of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Organizing Low Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 of course it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 HECK YES, HECS, yes. snow causing temperatures to fall to 33F in Central Park at midday? 20 inch snowfall amounts across southern NY and southern New England? widespread thundersnow? record breaking power outage numbers? all happening before Halloween... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Really? How many snowstorms knock out power to over 2 million people? How many more are going to lose power overnight when the winds kick up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris L Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Yes this will be classified as a KU no doubt. There has never been a KU in October....or November. Until now Probably a NESIS 1 on the scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 This would definitely get a mention in Kocin's "Early/Late Snowstorms" chapter. But "historic" would be rated against the greatest east coast storms, regardless of what time of year it occured. Areas receiving 10"+ are too localized for it to be considered truly historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Really? This is the weakest storm on the NESIS website, we will beat it easily Probably a NESIS 1 on the scale. I'd say 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastalplainsnowman Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 In terms of historical comparisons, I wonder how many people here, like me, have been going to the window to see the snowfall under the streetlights but the view is obstructed by the green leaves on the trees. If historic is a bad term here because it has a wider meaning, it's definitely one for the memory bank, and one to tell the grandkids about. The kids who can't trick or treat on Monday because they still have 12+" on the ground will also talk about it for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 For those that remember, that January 1987 snowstorm coincided with the LIRR strike. Since then though, Long Islanders are commonly used to LIRR shutdowns for one reason or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BL03 Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 lol of course it is!!! What else is a HECS (Historic East Coast Storm) in Oct!? This is the most historic Oct snowstorm for the NE EVER!!! There are several 12"+ amounts and some around 20", NYC boro's saw plowable snow in Oct! Just cause we didn't see 12"+ doesn't mean it wasn't historic. So many ppl lost power, so many tree branches are down, there is an electrical wire down burning for hrs two blocks from me. Com'on Man!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 KU has a section for extremely early and extremely late storms. This one will undoubtedly take front-and-center in that section whenever a new edition comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'm with Quincy on this. HECS YES this is a HECS Just because NYC and LI got off easy doesn't take away from the devastating nature of this storm. Millions without power, roads that will be blocked for days and the incredible damage that we are bound to start hearing about from trees on houses and other buildings will put damage totals into the hundreds of millions of dollars. Don't forget about the snow totals over a foot through huge areas. If that doesn't qualify it I don't know what would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 HECS= Historic YES! Power outages throughout NJ..NY..CT Trees down on many roads Its October!! lol.. Many areas 25+ miles outside NYC received 10"+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 HECS= Historic Good point. Sometimes we don't think of the literal meaning of that... Historic East Coast Snowstorm. It DEFINITELY was historic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The amounts of snowfall are not that much, and it probably wouldn't close schools if it happened on a weekday. The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Would you consider this a HECS, lumped in with the great storms like the Blizzard of 96, PDII, Boxing Day Blizzard, etc. This would have closed many schools in multiple states today if it were a weekday and will be closing many schools for the next 2 days - because of the power outages............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBG Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The amounts of snowfall are not that much, and it probably wouldn't close schools if it happened on a weekday. The only thing that makes it historic is that it happened in October. Would you consider this a HECS, lumped in with the great storms like the Blizzard of 96, PDII, Boxing Day Blizzard, etc. Not even close If the "H" stands for "huge" it's not even close. It it stands for "historic" it quite certainly is. It expands at least from the Veterans' Day Storm of 1987 the boundaries in which significant storms are possible. And a degree or two less it could have reached Kocin criteria for New York City and Philadelphia. It is more significant historically than, say, the January 1, 1971 storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYsnowlover Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I would consider it a HECS The month it occured in. When was the last time that you have seen 19" in northern New Jersey in october? The amount of snow so early in the year. The amount of people who are currently without power in the northeast. The areas that NEVER see accumulating snow in even November, saw accumulating snow from this, and it was in October. The areas that saw record breakIng snow from this, had shattered the previous record for snow in october. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'd say yes. Since when are there official "criteria" for this stuff? It is historical. Perhaps not for widespread snow amounts, but at least in my opinion both due to the date and the impact this storm had it is definitely historical. The amount of tree and powerline damage is worse than any snowstorm I've ever seen, personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BxEngine Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'd say yes. Since when are there official "criteria" for this stuff? It is historical. Perhaps not for widespread snow amounts, but at least in my opinion both due to the date and the impact this storm had it is definitely historical. The amount of tree and powerline damage is worse than any snowstorm I've ever seen, personally. Yup....ive never seen damage like this. Its insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Early Season, because it didn't get 10+ along i95, even though it came closer than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sickman Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think there's some confusion over the term "historical" here. Was this historical, in terms of record-breaking October snowfall, and damage to trees and power lines? Absolutely, in that sense, no question it was historical. Was this an HECS, as in a KU event? No, I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think there's some confusion over the term "historical" here. Was this historical, in terms of record-breaking October snowfall, and damage to trees and power lines? Absolutely, in that sense, no question it was historical. Was this an HECS, as in a KU event? No, I don't think so. I thought HECS also stood for the amount of ppl severely impacted by winter weather? This storm qualifies that criteria and it isnt even close.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think there's some confusion over the term "historical" here. Was this historical, in terms of record-breaking October snowfall, and damage to trees and power lines? Absolutely, in that sense, no question it was historical. Was this an HECS, as in a KU event? No, I don't think so. It'll be in KU, for sure. So, if by "KU event" you mean storms that are in KU, then it absolutely is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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