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And Midlo VA Snowmaker, who often posted in the mid-Atlantic forum.

18z GFS is a SER nightmare

Speaking for myself on the chinook discussion, I didn’t intend to imply that it would directly affect us with warmth for a long period of time. The problem, in my mind, is the existence of the chinook pattern itself, even though it has really only caused warmth in MT, CO, WY, NE, SD. This has been going on for several weeks. Places like Denver, Cheyenne, and Rapid City have essentially had no winter so far, and unfortunately that looks to continue for the rest of the month. Joe Bastardi, or perhaps a different met, has a saying about “the angle of the cold”. In a chinook pattern, the angle of the cold is wrong for us, for two reasons. First, even when it does stay cold here, it’s very dry and boring due to NW flow. Second, the warmth is always lurking, because we’re on the far western edge of the cold airmass. So, any minor change in the flow quickly makes it warmer here. That happened last week in my neck of the woods, where a couple of good early season snowfalls melted away because the warmth out west pivoted over here…even though it only lasted for a few days. The point of all this is that, to me, it’s a much better pattern for all of us when there is no chinook at all. I like to see highs come down into the western plains, creating upslope snow in MT/WY/CO, then the cold eventually trickles east and lasts for awhile. Basically, I’m describing a -EPO from a more “on the ground” perspective. I just think the current pattern (starting around 12/5) has been very obnoxious, and unfortunately it looks to continue for 10 more days. Definitely good to see some light at the end of the tunnel, and it can’t come soon enough.

A trace means essentially at least one snowflake or sleet pellet was observed. That’s it, not measurable. You could have 100 TR events and it wouldn’t equate to measurable snow. So if those maps show 3 TR events for your backyard you still haven’t seen measurable. That being said, looking at those maps I’d say 50% of the state has seen 0.10” which technically is measurable. Someone can correct me, but I don’t think snow is considered measurable unless you have 0.10”, but that’s still a low bar. By no means is anyone thrilled with 0.10” but seeing 50% of the state with “measurable” snow by Christmas hasn’t happened since 2018 and with the BN temps it’s at least has been wintry.

We just need to steal a small and medium event before a decent pattern returns.

I'm just messin with you with the confused emoji. I guess time will tell. It doesn't look like an overly promising pattern but perhaps we end up just far enough north or south to benefit. Weird to see shortwaves getting shunted south on the GFS in what's supposed to be some epic warm pattern at least for the central US.

That seems too much for our region. I really don't even see how plowed piles could last beyond the end of April around here, unless it was exceptionally cool. Otherwise, by May the 70's and higher dewpoints would eat any snow alive.

I think torchartie did it if I remember right.

Ladies and gentlemen, can I have your attention, please? The results are in and we did it. The MJO went back into phase 8 on Dec 15th, the coldest day of the season to date! Let the celebrations begin! The weenies are gonna party like it’s Feb 1899!

i had tomato seedlings sprouting in the garden. it was so hot i wanted to put the ac on with a house full of guests. heck with that. at least we had some winter this year. hope spring eternal.

If you were 60 miles north, or 700 miles south(VA, NC, DE)..you’d have alot of snow the last few weeks. That’s the funny part.

Tomorrow and Friday will be mild days with highs reaching or exceeding 50° in parts of the region. Friday will be the warmer day with highs in the 50s across much of the region. A soaking rain is likely tomorrow night and Friday. Much of the region could see a general 0.50"-1.50" of rain. Behind the storm, the weekend will turn somewhat cooler. No exceptionally cold or warm weather appears likely for the first week of astronomical winter. The probability that December 2025 will have a maximum monthly temperature below 60° has continued to increase. The last time that happened was in 2019 when the monthly high was 58°. If 2025 has a monthly high below 60°, that would be only the fifth such occurrence since 2000 (2003, 2004, 2005, and 2019 are the cases since 2000). The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.3°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was -0.7°C for the week centered around December 10. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.33°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged -0.67°C. La Niña conditions will likely continue through at least mid-winter. The SOI was -4.26 today. The preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) was +2.532 today. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied near 99% probability that New York City will have a cooler than normal December (1991-2020 normal). December will likely finish with a mean temperature near 34.0° (5.1° below normal). Supplemental Information: The projected mean would be 3.4° below the 1981-2010 normal monthly value.

The cutter on Friday sucks, but at least the weather will be a little bit interesting that day.

This has been one of the most boring “active patterns” ever and the fact that we have the cold air has been a bit maddening.

I think the places to the NW and up into Northern Maine should hang on.

The climate has always been changing. Probably why we had shitty ass winters in the 80s and some amazing ones after... and before that. NO one can say this is permanent, and likely isn't. Pattern will continue to morph as it always has, it's the outcome and downstream changes we have no idea about.

For sure. Silly folks.

We like that…let’s keep you guys and the county in the snow.

We crushed it here for a couple decades…it was bound to change. Other parts of the country getting their turn the last 4-5 yrs. While we were pulling 12-16 inchers out of our ass Constantly, other parts of the country were baking, and drying out. It happens. It happened before. Just gotta roll with it.. it will change. But until it does, we take it on the chin. NNE just crushed it the last 3 weeks..best start in history perhaps.? And Virginia and Delaware and NC doing real well too…we stuck In between.

18z GFS was pretty skimpy on the qpf for here Friday.

I'm a nutjob cold weather winter weenie but damn... How We Drive a Car at −71°C (−95°F) | Yakutia, Siberia

Lot of hyperbole amidst kernels of truth.

What

We had a snow squall warning issued in 2019 and it definitely verified here

Who was it in here that once had a snow making machine? There may have been two people.