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All that said the ensemble run held serve or even increased amounts a bit.....so you say there is a chance??

Yeah, it's not as easily baked into the price as you would think. They do a lot of year-to-year consistency. If next year there is a -8 SLP over the Arctic June - August and Natural gas is $2.50, it would be good to go long the position for the Winter.

EPS mean bumped NW.

The Euro has nailed the last 2 events in the Upper Midwest, I'll say that much. But this is a totally different setup and area of the country.

Clown maps are obviously ridiculous. And you can think the euro is wrong. But as Bob posted. Objectively, if that verified as depicted, it’s a snow event here. Whether it’s right is a whole different discussion

@CAPE I won't complain about the NS. I won't complain about the NS. I won't...DANG GREAT LAKES LOWS!!!

I posted in September that we were getting early cool shots similar to colder winters. Just to many hints early on.

watches up

Alot of precip issues determined by timing and whether low pressure holds back long enough that antecedent cold HP is gone or runs right into it since we do not yet have a purely southern storm track. Tuesday's was the one that had a shot but only if it started early enough. This probably the case now for the first two weeks of Dec. WX/PT

EPS A-Okay

Despite JI, it finishes on the Eps like this.

Me too, although I do enjoy when Scooter is on a roll with the sardonic humor.

Not enough of a pressure gradient to drive cold air down back south

Storm total was 8.9” Any additional today I’m counting as lake effect. So far, 0.5” of lake snow. We lost about two inches to compaction so we have 7.5” on the ground currently.

I honestly hope the southeastern folks do well.

All of the models have started to reduce snow totals by at least an inch from the last run....

Anything that shows snow is invaluable in Weenieville.

First coating of the season. Steady light snow 33°.

I am guessing this is a classic I84, then Mass Pike to 495 r/s line. Typical for a season's first gambit.

Yeah. What also bugs me is that when the slp reaches the coast to our south and then se, it doesn't switch back to snow from a mix.

EPS is worthless now. the event starts tomorrow man

having that low in the great lakes is beautiful

was some very very light snow over past hour, temp now up to 35, bring on the rain

Eps thru Tuesday 1pm

Euro is weak and light rain, little bit of snow for Mid Atlantic