GL/MW/OV January 2011 Disco Part II

[daddylonglegs]

[mnweather]

Detroit averages 44" per year.

Strictly based on climo, 3-4" snowstorms so frequently in the past two seasons is an anomaly in places such as Nashville. Their measely 10" usually comes from the occasional dusting to an 1" (or 2) flurry throughout the winter, like most climos across the south. However, 6-10" storms are quite common in places like Detroit, at least 3 per season. It's pretty unusal for us to go on 2 seasons without seeing one. Even the craptastic winters of the 90s (except maybe 95-96) weren't this bad snowstorm-wise.

Of course I could be rude and say if you want constant/increasing snowcover one can move to International Falls, or better yet Alaska. But I know Detroit's climo supports winters with relatively frequent 6-10" storms and poor snocover while Detroit's climo also supports winters with relatively constant snowcover with only nickel & dime events.

Sure, if you wanted more snow I-Falls would do better than Detroit but I-Falls doesn't average a lot more than Detroit. Maybe a couple feet. I guess it is all about perception. It could be a lot to someone and not much difference to others. Alaska would certainly be impressive though. Way more than the seasonal totals of I-Falls and Detroit combined in some places.

[Hoosier]

Detroit averages 44" per year.

Strictly based on climo, 3-4" snowstorms so frequently in the past two seasons is an anomaly in places such as Nashville. Their measely 10" usually comes from the occasional dusting to an 1" (or 2) flurry throughout the winter, like most climos across the south. However, 6-10" storms are quite common in places like Detroit, at least 3 per season. It's pretty unusal for us to go on 2 seasons without seeing one. Even the craptastic winters of the 90s (except maybe 95-96) weren't this bad snowstorm-wise.

Of course I could be rude and say if you want constant/increasing snowcover one can move to International Falls, or better yet Alaska. But I know Detroit's climo supports winters with relatively frequent 6-10" storms and poor snocover while Detroit's climo also supports winters with relatively constant snowcover with only nickel & dime events.

I have a hard time believing you average 3 6-10" storms per season. Maybe in recent years but a long term average?

[Stebo]

I have a hard time believing you average 3 6-10" storms per season. Maybe in recent years but a long term average?

Actually I think its closer to 3 than 2 I'm pretty sure.

[Hoosier]

Actually I think its closer to 3 than 2 I'm pretty sure.

Yeah I could buy 2 considering what other major cities in the region average.

[snowstormcanuck]

Actually I think its closer to 3 than 2 I'm pretty sure.

That's surprising if true. We only average 1.7/winter in Toronto. I would have thought both cities were fairly similar.

[snowstormcanuck]

Kudos to the GEFS for schooling the GFS. If you remember about 2 weeks ago the OP GFS for several runs was showing a massive torch during the last week of January.

[Chicago WX]

Kudos to the GEFS for schooling the GFS. If you remember about 2 weeks ago the OP GFS for several runs was showing a massive torch during the last week of January.

Ensemble forecasting in the long range FTW. I think the OP GFS had a few runs that scoured Canada of any cold in this timeframe and we were absolutely torching. I believe that was also Buckeye's forecast.

[SEMIweather]

That's surprising if true. We only average 1.7/winter in Toronto. I would have thought both cities were fairly similar.

I'm waiting for Josh to chime in because he's the one who'll know this but I'm pretty sure Detroit averages one, maybe two 6+" snowstorms per year. I highly doubt it's three but I'll admit I'm wrong if it is actually three.

[dmc76]

I'm waiting for Josh to chime in because he's the one who'll know this but I'm pretty sure Detroit averages one, maybe two 6+" snowstorms per year. I highly doubt it's three but I'll admit I'm wrong if it is actually three.

Its 2

[Powerball]

You got to love it, nearly everyone (on he central board) is socked under solid overcast.

[Chicago WX]

You got to love it, nearly everyone (on he central board) is socked under solid overcast.

Ah yes. The forecast for here today was for partly sunny skies. Even a few random flurries recently.

[Baum]

You got to love it, nearly everyone (on he central board) is socked under solid overcast.

bring on spring....please

[Trent]

Over half way through winter and it's still been a synoptic wasteland in NE Ohio. We've had some decent fake snow this winter, but real snow has been hard to come by.

[daddylonglegs]

I hate to say this, but i'd take 2F and clear blue skies over this mid 20F's and thick clouds... I can't stand winter days like this.

[cyclone77]

Some melting going on here today. We hit 32, but was enough to get everything dripping. The snow doesn't look very fresh anymore. Probably a good 3-4" of cover still.

[michsnowfreak]

Actually, this will. The amounts in Chicago & Grand Rapid appear to be from Lake Effect as well as synoptic snow.

The snow depth in central Ohio is probably includes their one (or was it two) 4-6" events they had.

I could easily zoom into Oklahoma City's CWA and find widespread 10+ amounts (most (if ot all) of which fell in 8 hours or less). It's better to get a regional perspective of it, and the highest average amounts was 7" for the storm well over a 12 hoiur period.

Image you posted doesnt show...but um regarding the Feb 9/10, 2010 storm, what do you not understand. That is STORM TOTAL SNOWFALL....MOST areas had 8+ inches. Only a few did not.

[michsnowfreak]

Detroit averages 44" per year.

Strictly based on climo, 3-4" snowstorms so frequently in the past two seasons is an anomaly in places such as Nashville. Their measely 10" usually comes from the occasional dusting to an 1" (or 2) flurry throughout the winter, like most climos across the south. However, 6-10" storms are quite common in places like Detroit, at least 3 per season. It's pretty unusal for us to go on 2 seasons without seeing one. Even the craptastic winters of the 90s (except maybe 95-96) weren't this bad snowstorm-wise.

Of course I could be rude and say if you want constant/increasing snowcover one can move to International Falls, or better yet Alaska. But I know Detroit's climo supports winters with relatively frequent 6-10" storms and poor snocover while Detroit's climo also supports winters with relatively constant snowcover with only nickel & dime events.

Oh. My. Goodness. No no no no no NO. Im not trying to be mean but you are so misinformed about climo its not FUNNY!

First on Nashville, first you say such a warm climate shouldnt be seeing snowstorms, then you say 10" usually comes from occasional dusting to 1" throughout the winter. Wouldnt it stand to reason that a 10" average comes from some winters getting good storms, others not? The south is NOT a place cold enough to where they get frequent light falls of snow.

Now onto Detroit...the only thing you were right about is Detroit averaging 44" per season. You then went downhill FAST.

FIRST OF ALL..."its pretty unusual to go on 2 seasons without seeing one". Ok. DTW has seen THREE in the last TWO seasons, not zero, as you seem to be implying. 8.6" on Feb 9/10, 2010, 6.9" on Feb 21/22, 2010, and 6.3" on Dec 12, 2010. So technically if we dont see another this winter, we are still on an average pace for the last 2 seasons, in contrast to your claims. SECONDLY its not really unheard of to go 2 seasons without them. In a very rare snow drought in the 1940s, Detroit only saw ONE storm drop 6"+ the ENTIRE decade. While that is rare, there have been many times where we didnt see one for 2 years in a row.

" Even the craptastic winters of the 90s (except maybe 95-96) weren't this bad snowstorm-wise." The 1990s went a 5-year stetch with no official 6"+ storm. the longest stretch in the 2000s was 14 months. The 2000s were the first decade on record to not see a stretch at some point of 2 years without a 6"+ storm.

NOW....as for avg 6"+ storms. Detroit basically averages 1-2 per season, closer to 1

In the past 100 years (1910-2010), Detroit officially saw 98 storms of 6"+. That is an average of 1 per year, though the snowstorm drought of the 1940s-1960s notwithstanding, Id say a more accurate average would be 3 storms of 6"+ every 2 years. Detroit is a climate specializing in 2-4" and 3-5" snowfalls, but with usually only 1 or 2 storm per year seeing 6" or more.

We are seeing 6"+ snowstorms at a greater pace now than ever before, so again, your "craptastic" claim is either a lie or a case of being extremely, extremely uninformed.

Detroit 6"+ storms per decade.

1910s- 9 storms

1920s- 14 storms

1930s- 9 storms

1940s- 1 storm

1950s- 5 storms

1960s- 5 storms

1970s- 14 storms

1980s- 11 storms

1990s- 11 storms

2000s- 16 storms

2010s- 3 storms thru the first year of the decade.

So thats 19 storms in the past 11 years. That is well above average, a pace not seen before in Detroits records.

Here are all the 6"+ storms since 1910

  Jan. 13/14, 1910- 11.4”
 Feb. 6, 1911----- 12.3”
 Mar. 14/15, 1912-  9.0”
 Mar. 26/27, 1913-  6.5”
 Jan. 3/4, 1914--   6.1”
 Jan. 31, 1914---   7.0” 
 Dec. 24/25, 1915-  8.0”
 Mar. 21/22, 1916-  9.5”
 Jan. 21, 1917----  6.0”

 Dec. 26/27, 1920-  6.7”
 Feb. 25/26, 1921-  7.4”
 Dec. 12/13, 1921-  6.1”
 Dec. 14, 1922---- 10.0”
 May 9, 1923------  6.0”
 Nov. 15, 1925----  6.2”
 Dec. 23/24, 1925-  6.2”
 Feb. 12/13, 1926-  8.9”
 Feb. 18/19, 1926-  8.6”
 Dec. 4/5, 1926---  7.5”
 Jan. 13/14, 1927- 12.1”
 D31/Jan. 1, 1928-  6.1”
 Jan. 14/15, 1929-  6.6”
 Dec. 18/19, 1929- 13.8” 			

 Jan. 8/9, 1930--   7.3”          	
 Mar. 24/25, 1930-  6.0”          	
 Mar. 7/8, 1931--- 11.1” 			
 Feb. 4, 1932-----  6.5” 			
 Mar. 21/22, 1932-  7.5” 			
 Nov. 15/16, 1932-  9.0” 			
 Mar. 25, 1933----  6.0” 			
 Mar. 26/27, 1934-  9.2”          	
 Jan. 30, 1939----  7.6” 			

 Feb. 10/11, 1944-  6.3”        	

 Nov. 25/26, 1950-  6.3” 			
 Dec. 17/18, 1951-  6.8” 			
 Dec. 25, 1951----  6.2”        		
 F28/Mar. 1, 1954-  6.6”          	
 Jan. 9/10, 1957--  9.0” 			

 Feb. 25/26, 1960-  6.0” 			
 Feb. 24/25, 1965- 11.0”        	
 Nov. 2/3, 1966---  6.0”          	
 Jan. 13/14, 1968-  7.6”
 Mar. 22/23, 1968-  7.7” 			

 Mar. 16/17, 1973-  9.9” 			
 Dec. 19/20, 1973- 11.2”        	
 Feb. 5/6, 1974---  6.2” 			
 Dec. 1/2, 1974--- 19.3” 			
 Dec. 25/26, 1975-  6.5” 			
 Jan. 13, 1976----  6.0” 			
 Mar. 1, 1976-----  6.2” 			
 Jan. 9/10, 1977--  6.6”        	
 Mar. 17/18, 1977-  8.3”          	
 Dec. 5, 1977-----  6.4” 			
 Dec. 8/9, 1977---  6.4” 			
 Jan. 1, 1978-----  7.0” 			
 Jan. 25-27, 1978- 10.1”        	
 Jan. 13/14, 1979-  6.1”        	

 Feb. 10/11, 1981-  8.6”
 Dec. 21/22, 1981-  7.6”
 Jan. 30/31, 1982- 11.8”
 Feb. 3, 1982-----  6.0”
 Mar. 4, 1982-----  6.1”
 Apr. 5/6, 1982---  7.6”
 Mar. 20/21, 1983-  7.3”
 Feb. 27/28, 1984-  6.9”
 Jan. 9/10, 1987--  8.1”
 Dec. 28, 1987----  7.2” 
 Feb. 11/12, 1988-  8.2”

 Feb. 13/14, 1991-  6.8”
 Jan. 14, 1992---- 11.1”
 Mar. 21/22, 1992-  7.1”
 Mar. 4, 1993-----  6.6”
 Mar. 10, 1993----  7.5”
 Jan. 6/7, 1994--- 10.3”
 Feb. 7/8, 1994---  6.4”
 Feb. 25/26, 1994-  6.0”
 Dec. 6/7, 1994---  7.6” 
 Jan. 2/3, 1999--- 11.3”
 Mar. 5/6, 1999---  8.3”

 Dec. 11/12, 2000-  6.1”
 Jan. 30/31, 2002-  7.6”
 Dec. 24/25, 2002-  6.4”
 Feb. 22/23, 2003-  7.3”
 Dec. 22/23, 2004-  8.9”
 Jan. 5/6, 2005---  6.0”
 Jan. 22, 2005---- 12.2”
 Dec. 8/9, 2005---  6.2”
 Dec. 14/15, 2005-  6.2”
 Feb. 13/14, 2007-  8.5”
 Dec. 15/16, 2007-  9.0”
 Mar. 4/5, 2008---  7.5”
 Mar. 21/22, 2008-  7.3”
 Dec. 19, 2008----  7.9”
 Jan. 9/10, 2009--  7.0”
 Apr. 5/6, 2009---  7.2”

 Feb. 9/10, 2010--  8.6”
 Feb. 25/26, 2010-  6.9”
 Dec. 12, 2010----  6.3”

[dmc76]

Oh. My. Goodness. No no no no no NO. Im not trying to be mean but you are so misinformed about climo its not FUNNY!

First on Nashville, first you say such a warm climate shouldnt be seeing snowstorms, then you say 10" usually comes from occasional dusting to 1" throughout the winter. Wouldnt it stand to reason that a 10" average comes from some winters getting good storms, others not? The south is NOT a place cold enough to where they get frequent light falls of snow.

Now onto Detroit...you did manage to be consistent. Consistently WRONG on everything you posted on DTW's climo.

FIRST OF ALL..."its pretty unusual to go on 2 seasons without seeing one". Ok. DTW has seen THREE in the last TWO seasons, not zero, as you seem to be implying. 8.6" on Feb 9/10, 2010, 6.9" on Feb 21/22, 2010, and 6.3" on Dec 12, 2010. So technically if we dont see another this winter, we are still on an average pace for the last 2 seasons, in contrast to your claims. SECONDLY its not really unheard of to go 2 seasons without them. In a very rare snow drought in the 1940s, Detroit only saw ONE storm drop 6"+ the ENTIRE decade.

NOW....as for avg 6"+ storms. Detroit basically averages 1-2 per season, closer to 1

In the past 100 years (1910-2010), Detroit officially saw 98 storms of 6"+. That is an average of 1 per year, though the snowstorm drought of the 1940s-1960s notwithstanding, Id say a more accurate average would be 3 storms of 6"+ every 2 years. Detroit is a climate specializing in 2-4" and 3-5" snowfalls, but with usually only 1 or 2 storm per year seeing 6" or more.

We are seeing 6"+ snowstorms at a greater pace now than ever before, so again, your "craptastic" claim is either a lie or a case of being extremely, extremely uninformed.

Detroit 6"+ storms per decade.

1910s- 9 storms

1920s- 14 storms

1930s- 9 storms

1940s- 1 storm

1950s- 5 storms

1960s- 5 storms

1970s- 14 storms

1980s- 11 storms

1990s- 11 storms

2000s- 16 storms

2010s- 3 storms thru the first year of the decade.

So thats 19 storms in the past 11 years. That is well above average, a pace not seen before in Detroits records.

Here are all the 6"+ storms since 1910

  Jan. 13/14, 1910- 11.4”
 Feb. 6, 1911----- 12.3”
 Mar. 14/15, 1912-  9.0”
 Mar. 26/27, 1913-  6.5”
 Jan. 3/4, 1914--   6.1”
 Jan. 31, 1914---   7.0” 
 Dec. 24/25, 1915-  8.0”
 Mar. 21/22, 1916-  9.5”
 Jan. 21, 1917----  6.0”

 Dec. 26/27, 1920-  6.7”
 Feb. 25/26, 1921-  7.4”
 Dec. 12/13, 1921-  6.1”
 Dec. 14, 1922---- 10.0”
 May 9, 1923------  6.0”
 Nov. 15, 1925----  6.2”
 Dec. 23/24, 1925-  6.2”
 Feb. 12/13, 1926-  8.9”
 Feb. 18/19, 1926-  8.6”
 Dec. 4/5, 1926---  7.5”
 Jan. 13/14, 1927- 12.1”
 D31/Jan. 1, 1928-  6.1”
 Jan. 14/15, 1929-  6.6”
 Dec. 18/19, 1929- 13.8”             

 Jan. 8/9, 1930--   7.3”              
 Mar. 24/25, 1930-  6.0”              
 Mar. 7/8, 1931--- 11.1”             
 Feb. 4, 1932-----  6.5”             
 Mar. 21/22, 1932-  7.5”             
 Nov. 15/16, 1932-  9.0”             
 Mar. 25, 1933----  6.0”             
 Mar. 26/27, 1934-  9.2”              
 Jan. 30, 1939----  7.6”             

 Feb. 10/11, 1944-  6.3”            

 Nov. 25/26, 1950-  6.3”             
 Dec. 17/18, 1951- 6.8”             
 Dec. 25, 1951----  6.2”                
 F28/Mar. 1, 1954-  6.6”              
 Jan. 9/10, 1957--  9.0”             

 Feb. 25/26, 1960-  6.0”             
 Feb. 24/25, 1965- 11.0”            
 Nov. 2/3, 1966---  6.0”              
 Jan. 13/14, 1968-  7.6”
 Mar. 22/23, 1968-  7.7”             

 Mar. 16/17, 1973-  9.9”             
 Dec. 19/20, 1973- 11.2”            
 Feb. 5/6, 1974---  6.2”             
 Dec. 1/2, 1974--- 19.3”             
 Dec. 25/26, 1975-  6.5”             
 Jan. 13, 1976----  6.0”             
 Mar. 1, 1976-----  6.2”             
 Jan. 9/10, 1977--  6.6”            
 Mar. 17/18, 1977-  8.3”              
 Dec. 5, 1977-----  6.4”             
 Dec. 8/9, 1977---  6.4”             
 Jan. 1, 1978-----  7.0”             
 Jan. 25-27, 1978- 10.1”            
 Jan. 13/14, 1979-  6.1”            

 Feb. 10/11, 1981-  8.6”
 Dec. 21/22, 1981-  7.6”
 Jan. 30/31, 1982- 11.8”
 Feb. 3, 1982-----  6.0”
 Mar. 4, 1982-----  6.1”
 Apr. 5/6, 1982---  7.6”
 Mar. 20/21, 1983-  7.3”
 Feb. 27/28, 1984-  6.9”
 Jan. 9/10, 1987--  8.1”
 Dec. 28, 1987----  7.2” 
 Feb. 11/12, 1988-  8.2”

 Feb. 13/14, 1991-  6.8”
 Jan. 14, 1992---- 11.1”
 Mar. 21/22, 1992-  7.1”
 Mar. 4, 1993-----  6.6”
 Mar. 10, 1993----  7.5”
 Jan. 6/7, 1994--- 10.3”
 Feb. 7/8, 1994---  6.4”
 Feb. 25/26, 1994-  6.0”
 Dec. 6/7, 1994---  7.6” 
 Jan. 2/3, 1999--- 11.3”
 Mar. 5/6, 1999---  8.3”

 Dec. 11/12, 2000-  6.1”
 Jan. 30/31, 2002-  7.6”
 Dec. 24/25, 2002-  6.4”
 Feb. 22/23, 2003-  7.3”
 Dec. 22/23, 2004-  8.9”
 Jan. 5/6, 2005---  6.0”
 Jan. 22, 2005---- 12.2”
 Dec. 8/9, 2005---  6.2”
 Dec. 14/15, 2005-  6.2”
 Feb. 13/14, 2007-  8.5”
 Dec. 15/16, 2007-  9.0”
 Mar. 4/5, 2008---  7.5”
 Mar. 21/22, 2008-  7.3”
 Dec. 19, 2008----  7.9”
 Jan. 9/10, 2009--  7.0”
 Apr. 5/6, 2009---  7.2”

 Feb. 9/10, 2010--  8.6”
 Feb. 25/26, 2010-  6.9”
 Dec. 12, 2010----  6.3”

You know whats amazing is that Detroit has only 6 12"+ Snowstorms!

"city" of Detroit does not get as much snow as the outskirts. Im sure if you looked at Ann Arbor, White Lk, Flint, Port Huron its a lot more.

[michsnowfreak]

You know whats amazing is that Detroit has only 6 12"+ Snowstorms!

"city" of Detroit does not get as much snow as the outskirts. Im sure if you looked at Ann Arbor, White Lk, Flint, Port Huron its a lot more.

True about the outskirts. Unfortunately though, Im your one stop shop for Detroits snow data, not the others. I do know, however, that Ann Arbor has an extensive period of record as well. Detroit actually has seen 12 storms of 12"+ since records started in 1880. I only used the last 100 years because I didnt have a full access to all 6"+ storms 1880-1909. I can, however, show you Detroits top 36 snowstorms since 1880. Detroits big snowstorms list pale in comparison to any city in the east coast. However, you put together a list of 3-5" snowstorms, and Detroit would run any east coast city into the ground LOL.

DETROITS TOP 36 SNOWSTORMS, 1880-2010

  01.)            24.5” – April 6, 1886

 02.)            19.3” – December 1/2, 1974

 03.)            16.1” – March 4/5, 1900

 04.)            14.0” – February 28/March 1, 1900

 05.)            13.8” – December 18/19, 1929

 06.)            12.8” – February 12/13, 1894

 07.)            12.6” – February 19, 1908

 08.)            12.5” – January 31/February 1, 1881

 09.)            12.3” – March 3/4, 1895

 10.)            12.3” – February 9, 1911

 11.)            12.2” – January 22, 2005

 12.)            12.1” – January 13/14, 1927

 13.)            11.8” – January 30/31, 1982

 14.)            11.4” – March 4/5, 1899

 15.)            11.4” – January 13/14, 1910

 16.)            11.3” – January 2/3, 1999

 17.)            11.2” – February 3/4, 1901

 18.)            11.2” – December 19/20, 1973

 19.)            11.1” – January 14, 1992

 20.)            11.1” – March 7/8, 1931

 21.)            11.0” – February 25/26, 1965

 22.)            10.6” – December 4/5, 1898

 23.)            10.3” – January 6, 1994

 24.)            10.1” – January 25-27, 1978

 25.)            10.0” – February 4, 1900

 26.)            10.0” – December 14, 1922

 27.)              9.9” – March 16/17, 1973

 28.)              9.5” – March 21/22, 1916

 29.)              9.5” – March 19/20, 1883

 30.)              9.4” – February 1, 1908

 31.)              9.2” – March 26/27, 1934

 32.)              9.0” – December 3, 1893

 33.)              9.0” – February 21, 1898

 34.)              9.0” – November 15/16, 1932

 35.)              9.0” – January 9/10, 1957

 36.)              9.0” – December 15/16, 2007

[daddylonglegs]

-4.4F below norms for the month ... sitting at 11.2F for the month... Jan 1912 the avg temp was -1.1F ... I'd drive into oncoming traffic if that happened again.

[daddylonglegs]

Anyone know how long that turd of cold air is going to hang up in Canada?

[Chicago Storm]

Tuesday, January 25th:

Hi: 31F

Lo: 22F

Overall Sky Conditions: Cloudy.

Max Wind Gust: 11MPH

Rainfall: 0.00"

Snowfall: 0.0"

[snowlord81]

Anyone know how long that turd of cold air is going to hang up in Canada?

I dunno but I like where that low is and how much cold and wind is one the backside! Looks like it would be a decent storm here.

[michsnowfreak]

I dunno but I like where that low is and how much cold and wind is one the backside! Looks like it would be a decent storm here.

There is plenty of potential in the coming weeks, and with the models, thats all you can ask for!

[daddylonglegs]

Looks like day 7 really floods the country with cold air again...

[Stevo6899]

True about the outskirts. Unfortunately though, Im your one stop shop for Detroits snow data, not the others. I do know, however, that Ann Arbor has an extensive period of record as well. Detroit actually has seen 12 storms of 12"+ since records started in 1880. I only used the last 100 years because I didnt have a full access to all 6"+ storms 1880-1909. I can, however, show you Detroits top 36 snowstorms since 1880. Detroits big snowstorms list pale in comparison to any city in the east coast. However, you put together a list of 3-5" snowstorms, and Detroit would run any east coast city into the ground LOL.

DETROITS TOP 36 SNOWSTORMS, 1880-2010

  01.)            24.5” – April 6, 1886

LOL. Thats crazy though the lack of 12 inch plus storms. You would think one would come a long after 120 years or tracking them.

[daddylonglegs]

Michsnow-

How did you find that info on 12 inch snowfalls? Did you just skim all the records or is there a list somewhere? I'd be interested in how common they are here, but haven't went through the data yet.

[turtlehurricane]

Another morning with snow for no apparent reason, it's all angel dust flakes but there's alot of em out there, certainly enough for some accumulation. Cars are already plastered and the roads and sidewalks are turning white.

Clipper tomorrow morning, 0.11" liquid projected so 1-2" looks good.

[turtlehurricane]

Getting heavier now with some medium sized flakes mixed in. I bet boundary boundary layer convective plumes from early morning heating, however weak they are this time of day, are leading to the better snow rate. Might get better around 10-11 am as the boundary layer really overturns.