1/24-1/25 Major Winter Storm - S. IL, IN, and OH

[IWXwx]

I measured 7.7" on .40" in Huntington and FWA had 8.7" on .53". Wasn't jackpot, but I'll take those totals anytime! (Well, at least until March 15th.)

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, SolidIcewx said:

Happy to see there was a nice spread the wealth event up there. Down where i am now people are freaking out a out prolonged 20’s lol.

Wait what did I miss? You aren't in MI anymore?

[Stebo]

4.8" at home 4.9" here at Metro. Not the biggest storm but not bad and this storm had a decent amount of liquid so it won't just melt or sublimate away quickly.

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Ahh so you're the big dog repellent. Kidding. Im sorry you had to move. Not a better place to be in the summer though. Me and Josh go back and forth about this every winter. He likes the nickel diming shit and snowcover. Im okay with 3 snowless winters in a row a decade if it means a big dog every other yr for a good stretch. Boston has had atleast 10 20+ storms since 2000. Detroits had 100+ 1-3 events. I know its not in our climo to get big dogs but when you see everyone else getting one, it's annoying lol.

Also I see our friends in ohio/Indiana did well but not nearly close to some of the kuchera maps we were seeing that I thought would verify with the arctic air in place. Perhaps too much dry air or ratios weren't as good as we thought due to it being too cold. 

Boston has bot had 10 but they've had several 20+ since 2000. More than here lol. And "everyone else" doesn't get big dogs outside the east coast. For comparison Daytons 12.4" with this storm was their all time 24 hr ecord. Detroit saw 16.7" on Feb 1/2, 2015. We got plenty of 10-12" storms in the golden era of the 2000s-10s with several areas hitting 14-16" in some storms. Don't be lowering your big dog standards just because OH/IN got more this time lol. We don't have the ocean. Thats not gonna change. 

And why sorry he had to move? Maybe he likes more frequent snowfall? Or even more so maybe he likes where he lives and didnt base on weather. From one 4 seasons climate to another is really not a huge move. Its these people that move to AZ to get burned alive that make me scratch my head. 

It wasnt so much dry air with this storm, it was strictly ratios. A red flag should've been how much of the mid Atlantic and east coast turned to sleet with temps in the teens. Just because its cold doesn't mean 20-1 ratios. Im not sticking up for the models as they've been awful recently, but it was actually a well forecast storm qpf wise and placement wise. Remember, Kutchera is not a model forecast, its an algorithm incorporated into the models to estimate snowfall and it has disappointment millions of weenie hearts over the years.

[michsnowfreak]

11 minutes ago, Stebo said:

4.8" at home 4.9" here at Metro. Not the biggest storm but not bad and this storm had a decent amount of liquid so it won't just melt or sublimate away quickly.

Exactly. Plus the existing snowpack was already well compacted and drifted over. None of this watching it settle by inches daily as you do with fluffy snow. Theres about 1 inch of water in our 9" powder snowpack. Its a skier or snowboarders dream base.

[dmc76]

1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

Ahh so you're the big dog repellent. Kidding. Im sorry you had to move. Not a better place to be in the summer though. Me and Josh go back and forth about this every winter. He likes the nickel diming shit and snowcover. Im okay with 3 snowless winters in a row a decade if it means a big dog every other yr for a good stretch. Boston has had atleast 10 20+ storms since 2000. Detroits had 100+ 1-3 events. I know its not in our climo to get big dogs but when you see everyone else getting one, it's annoying lol.

Also I see our friends in ohio/Indiana did well but not nearly close to some of the kuchera maps we were seeing that I thought would verify with the arctic air in place. Perhaps too much dry air or ratios weren't as good as we thought due to it being too cold. 

It’s not just a Detroit thing I mean, you don’t even hear about Grand Rapids (of course they get the 1-2 punch) or Lansing or Saginaw anybody getting 20 inches of snow out of a snowstorm in Michigan it’s just not a thing here. I just know or few spots.  PHN got 21 inches during the Dec 2000 storm. 

[Stebo]

20 minutes ago, dmc76 said:

It’s not just a Detroit thing I mean, you don’t even hear about Grand Rapids (of course they get the 1-2 punch) or Lansing or Saginaw anybody getting 20 inches of snow out of a snowstorm in Michigan it’s just not a thing here. I just know or few spots.  PHN got 21 inches during the Dec 2000 storm. 

Is there an expectation of a 20" storm here? There has only been 1 since 1880 and it was in 1886. 1 in Flint in 67 and 2 in Saginaw in 67 and 78. This isn't a location that even remotely sniffs 20" storms ever. Boston does because they have the luxury of the ocean and Nor'easters. This isn't a reservation on you just on the discussion in general. I don't know why the same people bring this up seemingly every year and multiple times a year. It is like they never read climo for the region.

[dmc76]

27 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Is there an expectation of a 20" storm here? There has only been 1 since 1880 and it was in 1886. 1 in Flint in 67 and 2 in Saginaw in 67 and 78. This isn't a location that even remotely sniffs 20" storms ever. Boston does because they have the luxury of the ocean and Nor'easters. This isn't a reservation on you just on the discussion in general. I don't know why the same people bring this up seemingly every year and multiple times a year. It is like they never read climo for the region.

Theres definitely is an expectations of getting 20 inches or more with some of these weenies.  Every single year we go and have the same conversation. It’s likely not happening ever in our lifetime. 

[dmc76]

1 hour ago, michsnowfreak said:

Boston has bot had 10 but they've had several 20+ since 2000. More than here lol. And "everyone else" doesn't get big dogs outside the east coast. For comparison Daytons 12.4" with this storm was their all time 24 hr ecord. Detroit saw 16.7" on Feb 1/2, 2015. We got plenty of 10-12" storms in the golden era of the 2000s-10s with several areas hitting 14-16" in some storms. Don't be lowering your big dog standards just because OH/IN got more this time lol. We don't have the ocean. Thats not gonna change. 

And why sorry he had to move? Maybe he likes more frequent snowfall? Or even more so maybe he likes where he lives and didnt base on weather. From one 4 seasons climate to another is really not a huge move. Its these people that move to AZ to get burned alive that make me scratch my head. 

It wasnt so much dry air with this storm, it was strictly ratios. A red flag should've been how much of the mid Atlantic and east coast turned to sleet with temps in the teens. Just because its cold doesn't mean 20-1 ratios. Im not sticking up for the models as they've been awful recently, but it was actually a well forecast storm qpf wise and placement wise. Remember, Kutchera is not a model forecast, its an algorithm incorporated into the models to estimate snowfall and it has disappointment millions of weenie hearts over the years.

I’m pretty sure Dayton has had several storms of near 18 inches or above it

[sbnwx85]

Hit the daily double last night with lake effect and added another 3.4”. 6.8” storm total. 11” snow depth. It’s the fourth time this winter we’ve had double-digit snow depth. #blessed

[michsnowfreak]

3 hours ago, Stebo said:

Is there an expectation of a 20" storm here? There has only been 1 since 1880 and it was in 1886. 1 in Flint in 67 and 2 in Saginaw in 67 and 78. This isn't a location that even remotely sniffs 20" storms ever. Boston does because they have the luxury of the ocean and Nor'easters. This isn't a reservation on you just on the discussion in general. I don't know why the same people bring this up seemingly every year and multiple times a year. It is like they never read climo for the region.

Its honestly unreal. Its one thing to want something. I want a million dollars, I want to lose weight, etc. But its another to have an expectation that's totally against to your climate. Its almost beyond comprehension to me that a "big dog" is a winter event, and some would supposedly be fine going years without winter knowing that one year soon theyre bound to get that big dog. We dont/can't that in Michigan. We need winter annually. Its like telling your boss, no thank you i don't want my biweekly paycheck. Ill just wait til next year when we get the big profit sharing bonus. 

[michsnowfreak]

2 hours ago, dmc76 said:

I’m pretty sure Dayton has had several storms of near 18 inches or above it

This is why I don't like quoting stats i verify them. The 12.4 was daytons CALENDAR day record. They had 1 storm of 18+ (18.3 in 1910)

[buckeye]

3 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

This is why I don't like quoting stats i verify them. The 12.4 was daytons CALENDAR day record. They had 1 storm of 18+ (18.3 in 1910)

hmmm, I could have sworn that the Dec 04 storm blasted them with more than that.  I know there were some locations in se IN and along the OH/IN border that got like 30"

[michsnowfreak]

Day after the storm is always fun, but especially when its full of arctic air. Deep winter. 

[buckeye]

This is the one I was thinking of, I guess Dayton was in 12-28"   I know years ago I saw a map for this storm that had some 30" + lollipops in that 2'+ area

[buckeye]

3 hours ago, sbnwx85 said:

Hit the daily double last night with lake effect and added another 3.4”. 6.8” storm total. 11” snow depth. It’s the fourth time this winter we’ve had double-digit snow depth. #blessed

 

here's my snow dog pics.   Folks left for Hawaii a day before the storm hit.   We are watching their little dogs.  Needless to say they are not fans of cold and snow, especially when the snow is as tall as they are....  dug a pee/poop pit for them off the side porch.   Works out nice  since I don't have to put them on a leash and they can't go anywhere, plus they don't want to be out more than a few minutes with the cold.

[Roger Smith]

May have been two calendar days like an overnight storm? Toronto has never had a 20" calendar day storm (I have not had time to check the latest on yesterday) but it has three or four overnight 20 to 23 inch storm totals. 

I recall doing a study on all 8.0" two day totals for Toronto (hundreds of data points) and about half of them had a significant amount on a second consecutive day. So only about half of all snowstorms there manage to occur all within one calendar day, or mostly if we eliminate the 0.1 and 0.2 add-ons. A few storms require three calendar days to play out to their totals but I never did a census on those because in a fast-moving pattern there can easily be two separate events contained in three days of snowfall data.