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SnowenOutThere Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Second Synoptic Breakdown 1/24-1/26 Hello again everyone! If you haven’t seen my first breakdown from yesterday I recommend reading that as it’ll help you understand some of the changes I’ll highlight, ofc it still should be understandable if you haven't read it. Similar to last time the important parts will be bolded. I will first go over our headlining changes from yesterday’s analysis before diving into each scenario. Additionally, I am basing this off a hybrid 12z and 18z suite (importantly NOT the 18z Euro which btw just appears to be even more amped!) Edit: As for the 18z Euro it falls in scenario 2 as the solution you get if everything I analyzed in 12z goes perfectly. Part 1: Headlines - Scenario 1 from yesterday is nearly off the table - Timing Changes - Increasing likelihood of a Big Dog 1. Past Scenario 1 is off the table This is our most exciting piece of news. As highlighted yesterday all guidance minus the GFS and Icon had an initial phase with the SW energy and a piece of NS vorticity which allowed the SW to open up and progress east which is essential in getting a major east coast snowstorm. While the GFS scared us (or at least me) by reverting back to this at 12z it has come back around to involving the SW which nearly guarantees a large east coast snowstorm. For reference see the difference with the energy’s tilt on the Pac NW between 12z (top) and 18z (bottom) It's a relatively small change but has massive implications on our snowstorm. I consider this initial phase to be a prerequisite to the rest of my analysis/hopes of this storm. It is technically possible all models manage to shift towards the 12z GFS solution though ATP I think it is safe to say the SW will come east! 2. Timing shift As most of us know an underrated story of this storm has been that the timing of this storm has shifted from starting Saturday to Sunday overnight but why is that? Well the answer lies in our SW ejecting eastward. Additionally, the later timing will have large downstream ramifications for phasing over the plains which is our path to a HECS. So let's dive in. We will use the Euro to demonstrate as it's been the one that's really slowed down a significant extent from its runs a day or two ago to now. If we look way back to its 0z run on Monday we see the shortwave opening up by 12z this Friday Meanwhile, compare that to the 12z (today) Euro run where the SW still has two closed Isobars The trend that has caused this timing difference has been IMO that the SW has trended stronger and a bit further south. This could’ve been an extremely bad thing (and frankly still could be) but luckily the NS interaction has also increased which helps eject it. This also means that there is more upside even with the SW on its own as it contains more energy. As for down the road it also opens up the possibility of a phase with a lobe off the NS. The 12z Euro of today shows this interaction beginning at hour 102 Meanwhile the old 0z run of Monday had no chance at interacting with the NS in this capacity. Once again, this increases the chance we get something monumental but does run the risk of a potential squash mechanism, though that appears unlikely. Overall I think the timing changes have been for the better (discounting the infamous sun angle). 3. Increased likelihood of our Big Dog solutions Firstly, I am not saying this is a lock by any means, as others have pointed out we got to get to Thursday to be really confident in this as it deals with multiple phases past the 100 hour mark. That said, most model output has trended towards the SW and NS interacting in a constructive capacity. The Euro, CMC, and Ukmet all have this occur to some degree of success. For example here is the CMC which has the most complete absorption of our SW. Compare that to the models which limit interaction due to the NS not diving in far enough west or due to timing differences and its a world apart as the 18z Icon shows at 114 However, what should make us all ecstatic is that despite the NS not phasing well with the SW in the Icon still gives us a major snowstorm! We have redundancy! Now with the major headlines covered lets dive into each updated scenario from least to most amped. Part 2: Scenarios Scenario 1: Two ships passing the middle of the night (ICON and GFS) This is what will happen if the NS manages to miss a phase with our SW. The 18z Icon is the best example of this happening as it has the NS way out east of where we would want to see. Additionally, it has the NS further north than most other models Obviously this isn’t going to cut it for a phased solution. The GFS on the other hand is so, so close but has the center of the NS angled east in a way that hurts its ability to constructively interact with the SW This tilt of the NS leads to this H5 vort map on the GFS which basically just hangs out above our storm unable to interact much with it Now, for an example of what we it to do we can see scenario 2. Surprise! Scenario 1.5: Partial phase interaction (Ai GFS and Ai Euro 12z) This is really just an extremely weak scenario 2 but it feels wrong including the AI GFS/AI Euro in that camp. The AI GFS has a strong enough dig with the NS despite missing the initial phase out west that its able to bring some more moisture up the coast The Ai Euro is similar but doesn’t dig the NS as far south, however, it does generally eject more of the SW east. Bottom line is that this isn’t unlikely and combined with scenario 1 they paint a good low end solution for our region… which is still a major snowstorm. Scenario 2: Its All Coming Together (Euro, Ukmet, CMC, Improved CMC) This is the HECS pathway. It involves a full ejection of the more powerful SW and then constructive interaction between the NS and the SW as it moves east. Of course, each of these models differ in how much interaction, how well it goes, and the ultimate result but we will not know how this shakes out until Thursday at the earliest. This is exciting, no other way to put it, and it is also the dominant solution. I’ll walk us through the 12z Euro as it seems to be a good middle ground between a slightly less favorable phase and the super amped up CMC/Improved CMC. Firstly, the Euro (12z!!!) ejects our SW nice and healthy by hour 108 Secondly, we can see that NS diving south and while there are still two distinct areas of low pressure at hour 114 we can see that there is obvious interaction between them Progress that forward to 123 and we can see how the NS is helping lift the vorticity and moisture from the SW up the coast as it absorbs it. We are left with a ridiculous moisture transport across OCEANS (and a gulf)! I mean the jet streak starts back at the Pacific and then hits a max right where we need it to Beautiful. Stunning. Magnificent. This is what we have waited for. Yet, it actually leaves some energy behind!!! Truly insane the upside potential we have here with the scenario. Additionally, this scenario is so impactful because it has the ability to pop a coastal low and maybe even bring it up the coast some. The H5 and SLP map of the Euro shows our initial low pressure running up the TN valley and the new surface low that pops partially in response to our NS trough. In order to reach our theoretical limit we want to see 1. All of the SW energy comes east 2. A sharper and further west NS trough 3. A more south NS trough to capture the surface low and prevent mixing. Part 3: TLDR What a setup. We have the potential for something really special here now that it looks like we’re over the initial hurdle of the SW getting stuck. I would say its a near guarantee someone on the East coast gets a foot of snow now. Who gets that (and the max amounts) will be determined by interactions between our beefed up SW and the NS lobe over the Great Plains. For now all we can do is wait and see, though I think a floor of 4-8 and max of 18+ is possible. As for suppression worries I think the only real way we get screwed over is if the NS starts acting as a suppressive force which so far no runs show. On the contrary I also don’t think we need to worry too much about a prolonged period of mixing assuming the NS doesn’t become so involved it yanks the primary way up north (edit: the 18z Euro shows how a full phase starts to bring this mixing risk, though its still low as of now) Basically, it's going to snow. Happy Tracking! 32 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 18z EURO is FOLKS territory 17 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago EURO is a sweet run. Waiting for the pretty maps, but we don’t need to worry. 1.2” of QPF at DCA by 7pm Sunday and still chugging 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. August Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Randy would say folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowmagnet Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 33 minutes ago, CAPE said: Nice storm after the storm potential. I mentioned this several days ago in a post. Probably belongs in the other thread, but no one is paying much attention to that at this point lol. This is where its at. I was curious about that. What happed to Jan 29? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago God damn it I'm going to have to rewrite part of my analysis cause this is just a full on max run. Expect an edit shortly 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bncho Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Euro might be Kuchera 20" in DC based off QPF, Bob Chill might be 30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago Using the shit adding panels method it's going to be over an inch qpf easy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronTy Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Yeah that shit was going negative in Baja. It's gonna be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weather Will Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago It is North. About an inch to MD line by Day 6. WB 28Z EURO. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago apply your own ratios 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 2 minutes ago, T. August said: Randy would say folks I called it first. Would have done it sooner, but I had to do math. Thankfully it was simple addition. Whew. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, snowmagnet said: I was curious about that. What happed to Jan 29? Dunno. To me Feb 1-2 has looked more interesting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago QPF went nuts on this run. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynwx99 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago euro is a full phase. god damn 16 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, NorthArlington101 said: apply your own ratios I knew this run was gonna go nuclear as soon as @bncho said the sw ejected faster. Good gloppity!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillvilleWx Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Disc said: QPF went nuts on this run. What’s the record snowfall in Blacksburg? Was it ‘93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisy Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago FWIW the cmc parallel which will be replacing the cmc eventually has been showing a full phase run after run. The 18z euro looks almost spot on to its 12z run. Just throwing that out there . 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bncho Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Euro is a FOLKS! Thank you to all who joined us for Happy Hour. See you at 0z! 8 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, brooklynwx99 said: euro is a full phase. god damn It does exactly what I wanted it to do in my analysis: "In order to reach our theoretical limit we want to see 1. All of the SW energy comes east 2. A sharper and further west NS trough 3. A more south NS trough to capture the surface low and prevent mixing." 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weather Will Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Caution, mix in southern zones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillvilleWx Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, brooklynwx99 said: euro is a full phase. god damn EC is close to a top end scenario, but I would put it at the 75-90th percentile at this point. 12z UKMet yesterday was the 99th percentile. This run is very very impressive. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midatlanticweather Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago HH brought the goods. Thanks for the pbp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 1 minute ago, NorthArlington101 said: Very beautiful. Quite pink. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago So, I;'m being real....I would have called the Euro sooner, but I swear on my life I thought it was an old run or something because I got to this panel and I kept hitting refresh. Dead serious I hit refresh like 5 times. THen I opened the Sfc map and like..what? 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disc Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 5 minutes ago, MillvilleWx said: What’s the record snowfall in Blacksburg? Was it ‘93? 1996 I believe. 30 something inches over 2 days. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Crazy how it manages to get that snowfall max in the South Central VA while having us mix with freezing rain. Would be a nightmare scenario for well... everyone who has a life they need to do things in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Just now, Disc said: 1996 I believe. 30 something inches over 2 days. And to think all the way in Philly got more than 30" is incredible. Dang sleet just north of BWI cost us 6+". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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