Jersey_Snowhole Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago gfs very active next week / weekend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Jersey_Snowhole said: gfs very active next week / weekend Yep all the models are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago Gefs is insane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago Nice test of the AI models, we'll see if they have a clue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago I think the key next week will be how deep a trough we can get out West. All winter long the models have been too aggressive in digging those troughs beyond 168 hrs. We actually need the Southeast ridge to put up some resistance so the overrunning doesn’t get suppressed. The EPS doesn’t dig as much energy into the west so it’s less amped up with the overrunning in the East. It’s been a while since once of these overrunning set ups produced more than 4” from EWR to ISP. But we saw how back in December we finally got two clippers to work out for 4”+. Maybe it’s possible we can finally get a decent overrunning event here. But it’s still way too early to know for sure exactly where the nest overrunning zone sets up. We really want to get to within the 120hr mark for the details to come into clearer focus. At least the potential is there. Whether the potential gets realized is another story. EPS diggs less energy west so overrunning is further south than GEFS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted 57 minutes ago Share Posted 57 minutes ago 12 minutes ago, bluewave said: I think the key next week will be how deep a trough we can get out West. All winter long the models have been too aggressive in digging those troughs beyond 168 hrs. We actually need the Southeast ridge to put up some resistance so the overrunning doesn’t get suppressed. The EPS doesn’t dig as much energy into the west so it’s less amped up with the overrunning in the East. It’s been a while since once of these overrunning set ups produced more than 4” from EWR to ISP. But we saw how back in December we finally got two clippers to work out for 4”+. Maybe it’s possible we can finally get a decent overrunning event here. But it’s still way too early to know for sure exactly where the nest overrunning zone sets up. We really want to get to within the 120hr mark for the details to come into clearer focus. At least the potential is there. Whether the potential gets realized is another story. EPS diggs less energy west so overrunning is further south than GEFS Phase 8 should help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted 30 minutes ago Share Posted 30 minutes ago 7 hours ago, eduggs said: Rates (precipitation per hour) are actually modeled to be fairly high. Modeled FGEN is significant across several models. But total precipitation is relatively light due to the short duration. Several models including the GFS deliver over 0.3" liquid over 4-6 hours in or near our region. A few models even have greater than 0.5" liquid nearby. That's a fairly significant QPF signal for short-duration frontogenic banding. The forecast difficulty is that the modeled placement of this banded feature (CT, LHV, CNJ) is highly variable. Forecast temperatures range from the upper 20s to mid 30s across our region with NYC roughly 31F to 35F depending on model during precipitation. Wetbulb temperatures are a little lower and modeled surface temperatures dropping during precipitation. Notably the HRRR is warmest, particularly after precipitation ends Saturday afternoon. NYC will probably record a minimum temperature below 33F on Saturday. If the models can continue to hold the frontogenic signature, I'll be more enthusiastic about it. I do think the Hudson Valley can wind up with 1"-2" amounts (colder readings), but the City and nearby suburbs still looks like a coating to an inch. I agree about the uncertainty regarding CT, lower Hudson Valley, and central NJ. The models are still jumping around with the QPF (the 0z GFS was probably an outlier with almost 0.40"). A realistic ceiling for the City is probably around 0.30", as fewer than 20% of EPS members have 0.30" or more. The ceiling might be somewhat higher in the areas you highlighted for banding. Finally, we agree that NYC will have a minimum temperature below 33° (probably 30°-31° very early), but most of the precipitation will likely fall when the temperature is 33°-34°. I used the 33° minimum as a proxy because most or all of the precipitation will fall with above freezing temperatures. That still hasn't changed on the overnight guidance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 26 minutes ago Share Posted 26 minutes ago 24 / 8 off was down to 19. Cold today mid 30s. Weekend / Monday light snow / showers, flurries accumulations much discussed and much to be determined but looking like an overall Sat sticks on cars and concrete Coating to an inch or so. Sunday more snow north and east. Monday unknown. Perhaps the bigger story is the building overall cold the bext 13 days. Coldest of the next 5 is Tuesday/Wed with highs stuck in the 20s and some single figit lows. Cold reloads in spikes of 1-2 day much below normal 1/24-1/25 and again between the 1/26-1/28 period. Looks like moderation as we move into next month. Storms TBD in the 1/21 - 1/27 period look to have ingredients key one - cold, now all we need is the storm track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 18 minutes ago Share Posted 18 minutes ago Records: Highs: EWR: 58 (1995) *odd day with a low record max below 60s NYC: 58 (1995) LGA: 59 (1953) JFK: 58 (1995) Lows: EWR: 0 (2004) NYC: 1 (2004) LGA: 2 (2004) JFK: 1 (2004) Historical: 1831 - A great snowstorm raged from Georgia to Maine. Snowfall totals greater than 30 inches were reported from Pennsylvania across southern New England. (David Ludlum) 1921: Winds gusting up to 59 mph created a sand blizzard across southwest Minnesota and a snowstorm across the north. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) 1959: Bennet’s Bridge, NY received 51 inches of snow in just 16 hours from a lake effect snowstorm generated as cold air swept across the relatively warm waters of Lake Ontario. (Ref. AccWeather Weather History) Cold night in the Shenandoah Valley as Dale Enterprise had a low temperature of 14 °F and Naked Creek in Rockingham County, Virginia recorded a minimum of -5 °F. (Ref. Daily News Record Newspaper - Harrisonburg, Virginia) 1964 - Fort Worth, TX, received 7.5 inches of snow, and Dallas reported a foot of snow. (David Ludlum) 1967: In Minnesota, a fast moving blizzard brought winds in excess of 75 mph. The snowfall was light to moderate with extensive blowing and drifting snow. Visibility was near zero for an extended period of time. Temperatures fell rapidly during the storm and by the morning of the 18th, many record lows were set. Many vehicles went into the ditch. Thousands of motorists and school children found shelter wherever they could as travel came to a standstill. In South Dakota, rain followed by a sudden drop in temperatures of nearly 30 degrees in two hours resulted in widespread freezing rain and significant icing on roads and trees. Strong winds of 35 to 45 mph with gusts to 75 mph along with the ice halted most travel. The wind and icing also caused the toppling of a 270 foot radio tower near Aberdeen. (Ref. Wilson Wx. History) 1987 - A winter storm produced a total of 61 inches of snow at Rye CO, and wind gusts to 100 mph in Utah. The storm then spread heavy snow from the Texas panhandle to Indiana. Tulia TX received 16 inches of snow, and up to 14 inches was reported in western Oklahoma. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - A small storm in the western U.S. produced a foot of snow and wind gusts to 70 mph in the Lake Tahoe Basin of Nevada. Showers and thunderstorms produced 2.28 inches of rain at Brownsville TX,their third highest total for any day in January. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Strong chinook winds plagued much of the state of Wyoming. Winds gusted to 80 mph at Cody, and wind gusts to 100 mph were reported in eastern and northwestern Wyoming. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Heavy snow fell across the Prince Williams Sound area and the Susitna Valley of southern Alaska. Valdez was buried under 64.9 inches of snow in less than two days, including a record 47.5 inches in 24 hours. Up to 44 inches of snow was reported in the Susitna Valley. The heavy snow blocked roads, closed schools, and sank half a dozen vessels in the harbor. (Storm Data) 1994: Minimum 1° the lowest temperature since January 1985 then -7 degrees January 16, saw an unusual assault of ice storms on the Commonwealth. It began in mid January with an arctic blast that sent temperatures below zero over northern and western Virginia for a couple mornings. Winchester recorded -18°F on the 16th, Harrisonburg reached -13°F, Woodstock was -17°F and western Loudoun County reached -15°F. Between then and mid February, about a dozen storms hit dropping snow, sleet, and freezing rain over all but the southeast.(Ref. Virginia Weather History) Bitter cold gripped areas across the Great Lakes and Northeast: Alpena, MI tied its record low for January with -28 °F. Boston, MA suffered through its coldest day in 26 years with an average temp for the day of only 2°. Watertown, NY was the nation’s cold spot with a reading of -43°. Blackouts were reported over a large area of Virginia as the power drain overwhelmed utilities. A layer of ice up to two inches thick formed over sections of southeast Missouri, followed by 6 to 10 inches of snow. Numerous trees and power lines fell down due to ice accumulation. Structural damage to older barns and collapsed roofs were also reported due to the heavy weight of the snow and ice. A large number of car accidents were also reported on area highways. Some areas were without power in excess of 24 hours.(Ref. Wilson Wx. History) 2004: Mount Washington Observatory, New Hampshire: The observatory, boasting of having "the world's worst weather," records a morning temperatures of 43 degrees below zero Fahrenheit. The previous evening, the observatory reported a wind chill of 97 below zero Fahrenheit based on a combination of wind speed gusting at 92 mph and an air temperature of minus 39 Fahrenheit. (Ref. Wx.Doctor) 2008: An area of low pressure brought snow, sleet, and freezing rain across northern Georgia. Three to four inches was a typical amount reported from many of the northeast Georgia counties. 2009: As New England was under the grip of an arctic blast, an all-time low temperature of -50° Fahrenheit was recorded for Maine. It was recorded at 7:30 a.m. EST at a U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) stream gauge on the Big Black River near Depot Mountain in northwestern Aroostook County. The previous record, -48° Fahrenheit, was set in Van Buren, Maine almost 84 years earlier, on January 19, 1925. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 16 minutes ago Share Posted 16 minutes ago Departures mid way through Jan 1/15: EWR: +4.3 ISP: + 4.2 NYC: +3.6 JFK: +3.1 TTN: +2.6 LGA: +2.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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