November 2025 general discussions and probable topic derailings ...

[CoastalWx]

6 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Ok..so how’s the next week or so looking? 

Nothing but CC.

[IrishRob17]

5 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

To me a freeze is upper 20’s for a few hours 

 

5 hours ago, dendrite said:

Traditionally 32° was a light freeze, 28° moderate, and 24° hard.

 

1 hour ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I kind of agree but officially I guess 32.0 does it? 

Interesting, I don't recall the moderate freeze. FWIW the NWS defines a hard freeze at 28 according to this link. A freeze is still 32 degrees believe it or not...https://forecast.weather.gov/glossary.php?word=freeze

[Brewbeer]

1 hour ago, dendrite said:

We’re all science people here. 
 

gonna disagree with this point.  weather enthusiasts yes, scientists, not so much 

[Typhoon Tip]

15 minutes ago, Boston Bulldog said:

Wolf's stat did pique my interest. Sure enough, ice mass is up in 2025 for Antarctica, but looking at the data over time, I can't see anything saying we aren't melting more and more down there. Context matters, as do proper data analysis methods to properly communicate results.

 

The astute ( actually ...it doesn't take being very astute at all ) observer might point out how that longer term recording is a "serrated" trajectory.

That means there are up periods ... and there are down periods.... but, the longer termed has proven that down has dominated the total journey.

 

[dendrite]

12 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

 

 

Interesting, I don't recall the moderate freeze. FWIW the NWS defines a hard freeze at 28 according to this link. A freeze is still 32 degrees believe it or not...https://forecast.weather.gov/glossary.php?word=freeze

Yeah the unofficial definitions I remember date back to the 90s/2000. It’s changed since. 

[mahk_webstah]

2 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Mark, is that you again?

I’m only in if WPC is in

[Cobalt]

16 hours ago, WinterWolf said:

Sure it’s been a rough stretch of late, but that’s how it goes. Your area had one hell of a run before the bottom fell out…and you got buried in Jan ‘22.  So stop with “it doesn’t snow in November and December BS.”  The goods will be back…take that to the bank. 

Two things can be true at the same time. It certainly can still snow plenty in November and December, but increasing temperatures have made it just a bit more difficult as time goes on. 

[Damage In Tolland]

59 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

There a lot of signs that go against what you are saying. So please, take this shit, to the proper thread. And you can fixate all you want over here. 

You’re up against a predominantly leftist crowd in this place. I learned a long time ago to just leave the global warming stuff alone here. Not worth the effort 

[dendrite]

11 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

You’re up against a predominantly leftist crowd in this place. I learned a long time ago to just leave the global warming stuff alone here. Not worth the effort 

lol

I thought you of all people were embracing the warming times and how we are losing “winter months”, installing sooner, and uninstalling later. 

[eduggs]

Now using facts, the scientific method, and reason are "leftist?" When did that happen?

[CoastalWx]

24 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

You’re up against a predominantly leftist crowd in this place. I learned a long time ago to just leave the global warming stuff alone here. Not worth the effort 

Data is not left or right, it's data. 

[CoastalWx]

12 minutes ago, dendrite said:

lol

I thought you of all people were embracing the warming times and how we are losing “winter months”, installing sooner, and uninstalling later. 

Yeah how does he think his dews are occuring?

[Damage In Tolland]

Dews have always been around and always will 

[CoastalWx]

1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Dews have always been around and always will 

But they're increasing overall which is great for Sandbar Scooter. The summer version of Scooter.

[WinterWolf]

42 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

Two things can be true at the same time. It certainly can still snow plenty in November and December, but increasing temperatures have made it just a bit more difficult as time goes on. 

Ya…that’s funny cuz a lot of the October and November snow events have been relatively recent.  But believe what you want.   

[WinterWolf]

I think we have a CC thread. Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter. 

[CoastalWx]

Fangs

[dendrite]

Just now, WinterWolf said:

I think we have a CC thread. Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter. 

We might. We might not. We just don’t know yet.

[WinterWolf]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

We might. We might not. We just don’t know yet.

True…

[dendrite]

20 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Dews have always been around and always will 

If only you guys treated excess CO2 like the jab.

[weatherwiz]

A big problem is, and I guess this comes from whatever was said in the 70's or 80's, but climate change and global warming does not mean there won't be any more cold or won't be any more snow in places where these two phenomena are part of the climate. The Earth goes through cycles of warming and cooling, we all know this, this isn't a secret.

Since the last ice age, the Earth has been on the warming part of the cycle. The issue here is, since the Industrial Revolution, the vast increase in concentrations of CO2 have led to the Earth warming at an alarming rate, much more so than what should be occurring naturally. The greatest extent of this is being felt at both poles and why is this a bad thing? Well the Earth's energy budge consists of a net deficit at the higher latitudes and a net surplus at the equator. So, for the Earth's energy budget to be close to in balance, this surplus of energy is transported to higher latitudes via oceanic and atmospheric currents. But this balance has been disrupted, and because of the advanced warming in the polar regions, the delta in this net deficit is being reduced. This has an impact on the natural currents (such as Hadley Cell).

A warmer atmosphere holds more water, CO2 and H20 are two of the biggest heat trapping gasses , especially H20. This is an easy experience to conduct, and I mean take a look at Venus. Venus is immensely hotter than Mercury, despite Mercury being closer to the sun. Why is that. We see this clearly in our region during the summer, when everyone is talking about being way above average but that being driven by warm overnight temperatures? Why is this, well CO2 and H20 are also extremely efficient at absorbing longwave radiation (which is emitted by the Earth's surface at night) but they are not efficient at absorbing shortwave radiation (emitted by the sun). 

But significantly altering concentrations of CO2 (which we all know exists naturally), H20, and other gasses in the upper atmosphere will also impact production of ozone and can disrupt the structure of the upper atmosphere.

We go through cycles of terrible winters and snowfall and fantastic winters for snowfall...that is not going to change, however, the frequency and and rate of returns will be altered and we will increase the occurrence of mild patterns and the duration of those patterns. 

 

[Typhoon Tip]

Not sure how we can logically disconnect the winter behavior from CC ... 

duh

[Typhoon Tip]

1 hour ago, eduggs said:

Now using facts, the scientific method, and reason are "leftist?" When did that happen?

Since the provisions of industrial convenience uncoupled humanity from reliance on natural settings to survive - settings outside of the industrial domain...

It's a socio-evolutionary predicament, where people aren't just entitled; they don't realize they're living in a state of provision that's a presumption - like that is nature.  And so it allows them to flout the science that was used in making their lives and experience be what they are. 

[Cobalt]

33 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Ya…that’s funny cuz a lot of the October and November snow events have been relatively recent.  But believe what you want.   

In case the big graph scared you away from reading the text in that post. 

1 hour ago, Cobalt said:

Two things can be true at the same time. It certainly can still snow plenty in November and December, but increasing temperatures have made it just a bit more difficult as time goes on.

Also..

34 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

But believe what you want.   

Believe what you want? It's a graph, believing implies there's a leap in the logic there. You could have stuck a thermometer right there in Southington and tracked it up until the present day and found the exact same thing. 

[WinterWolf]

9 minutes ago, Cobalt said:

In case the big graph scared you away from reading the text in that post. 

Also..

Believe what you want? It's a graph, believing implies there's a leap in the logic there. You could have stuck a thermometer right there in Southington and tracked it up until the present day and found the exact same thing. 

Listen to me…I don’t give a flying fuck if the temp went up or down.  Nothing I do, or you do is gonna change it going up or down.  In the 70’s we were told the temp was going down, and an ice age was coming. Laughable right. This is too. The earth/globe will do what it does. What it always does/did.  So take your graph and your BS to the CC thread.  
 

 

[ineedsnow]

26 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Not sure how we can logically disconnect the winter behavior from CC ... 

duh

12z CFS still trying  

[Cobalt]

Just now, WinterWolf said:

In the 70’s we were told the temp was going down, and an ice age was coming. 

Only about 10% of the literature from the time predicted global cooling. Don't conflate your feelings with reality.

[CT Rain]

1 minute ago, WinterWolf said:

Listen to me…I don’t give a flying fuck if the temp went up or down.  Nothing I do, or you do is gonna change it going up or down.  In the 70’s we were told the temp was going down, and an ice age was coming. Laughable right. This is too. The earth/globe will do what it does. What it always does/did.  So take your graph and your BS to the CC thread.  
 

 

The data is pretty clear. We're warming and it's mainly us. There's really not much a question here.

If you want to have a debate on how that warming manifests itself or what we should do about it (if anything) those are completely reasonable questions to ask.

[WinterWolf]

Just now, CT Rain said:

The data is pretty clear. We're warming and it's mainly us. There's really not much a question here.

If you want to have a debate on how that warming manifests itself or what we should do about it (if anything) those are completely reasonable questions to ask.

I don’t agree. But we have a thread for that. So take it there is my point. That’s all. Why clutter this thread up? 

[Typhoon Tip]

5 minutes ago, ineedsnow said:

12z CFS still trying  

yeah, it's unlikely to be right