Ida Banter

[Intensewind002]

4 hours ago, MattPetrulli said:

Issac should've been retired too, the I curse lives on

Isaias, Imelda and Isaac are some of the costliest storms not to be retired

[WE GOT HIM]

4 hours ago, canderson said:

NOLA will be without power for 3+ weeks and water for at least a week ... that's pretty dire still. 

How are people going to get their bitcoin?

[Prospero]

35 minutes ago, Intensewind002 said:

edit: Agnes is the only other US storm i found with over 100 direct deaths since 1970

Highest storm surge I ever saw in person and was in St. Pete, FL. I could maybe say that was the beginning of my storm passion. But there was some storm in Charleston SC when I was 6 or 7 (1966 or 67) that went by and was exciting. Just an outer band I guess. But I remember our lawn furniture flying away and our backyard becoming a lake, trees down, etc.

[IMADreamer]

36 minutes ago, user13 said:

How are people going to get their bitcoin?

This is one of the things that always make me laugh about bitcoin die hards. They are like "in a disaster you will wish you had it."  Umm what?  How does that work exactly? 

 

To be fair I'm invested in bitcoin but the thought that it's useful in a situation like this or Afghanistan as I've heard many say this week is laughable. 

[Jebman]

I have got a confession.

I know I am 100% safe from hurricanes here in south central Texas.

I know for a fact that I will never actually be in a hurricane as long as I stay in my safe city, Buda, Texas.

The confession I have is that I am absolutely ADDICTED to hurricane chaser YouTube vids. I adore Hurricane Matthew in 2018. Mexico City, I love the violence and the ROAR of that beautiful wind!  I love the chaser having to DRIVE thru the STORM SURGE! WHAT A FRACKIN' RUSH!!!!!!!!

I am so safe here. I can kick back and watch those vids in complete safety, and I absolutely yearn for more and more and more and more hurricane videos and secretly hope for a scary indomitable 200 mph sustained Gulf Coast Hurricane, because I know those highly addicted storm chasers will get me my prized hurricane vid, in which I'll get to see STORM SURGE! All from the safety and comfort of my favorite kick-back chair! I am so blessed! Nothing can possibly get to me in the landlocked fastness of Central Texas!

The best hurricane of all would be a monster 230 mph Cat 5 with gusts to 310mph behemoth slow mover, buzzsawing hell out of the Coast while storm chasers go completely CRAZY about it as they position and reposition themselves, get out of their well-equipped storm chase vehicles and get all excited and gesticulate at the fast moving threatening black clouds as the cameras are rollin' and I get to enjoy so many videos for all-time! It slowly moves inland then stalls and is so damned slow about decaying lol, and feet of fresh rain pile up while I enjoy the entire thing! Its amazing the way chasers will recall past storms, reciting many different years that 'Canes hit a location! Its very interesting!

Harvey was so fun! All that deep flooding! People frantically twittering for help while the water rose VISIBLY in kitchens! I absolutely adore global warming, love the oceans full of fervent heat! Imagine the sea level rise! Imagine entire coastal cities having to be relocated! Imagine hurricanes so bad that 50 foot storm surge becomes routine! Imagine the excitement of 4 foot rains becoming routine!

Man I loved that Hurricane Michael Mexico City video so much! I have happily watched it hundreds of times! I guess I am now the Hurricane Man, instead of the snow shoveling man.

I leave you with this beautiful video, my personal favorite.

 

[the ghost of OT]

16 minutes ago, Jebman said:

I have got a confession.

I know I am 100% safe from hurricanes here in south central Texas.

I know for a fact that I will never actually be in a hurricane as long as I stay in my safe city, Buda, Texas.

The confession I have is that I am absolutely ADDICTED to hurricane chaser YouTube vids. I adore Hurricane Matthew in 2018. Mexico City, I love the violence and the ROAR of that beautiful wind!  I love the chaser having to DRIVE thru the STORM SURGE! WHAT A FRACKIN' RUSH!!!!!!!!

I am so safe here. I can kick back and watch those vids in complete safety, and I absolutely yearn for more and more and more and more hurricane videos and secretly hope for a scary indomitable 200 mph sustained Gulf Coast Hurricane, because I know those highly addicted storm chasers will get me my prized hurricane vid, in which I'll get to see STORM SURGE! All from the safety and comfort of my favorite kick-back chair! I am so blessed! Nothing can possibly get to me in the landlocked fastness of Central Texas!

The best hurricane of all would be a monster 230 mph Cat 5 with gusts to 310mph behemoth slow mover, buzzsawing hell out of the Coast while storm chasers go completely CRAZY about it as they position and reposition themselves, get out of their well-equipped storm chase vehicles and get all excited and gesticulate at the fast moving threatening black clouds as the cameras are rollin' and I get to enjoy so many videos for all-time! It slowly moves inland then stalls and is so damned slow about decaying lol, and feet of fresh rain pile up while I enjoy the entire thing! 

Harvey was so fun! All that deep flooding! People frantically twittering for help while the water rose VISIBLY in kitchens! I absolutely adore global warming, love the oceans full of fervent heat! Imagine the sea level rise! Imagine entire coastal cities having to be relocated! Imagine hurricanes so bad that 50 foot storm surge becomes routine! Imagine the excitement of 4 foot rains becoming routine!

Man I loved that Hurricane Michael Mexico City video so much! I have happily watched it hundreds of times! I guess I am now the Hurricane Man, instead of the snow shoveling man.

I leave you with this beautiful video, my personal favorite.

 

I kinda feel this tbh

[Jebman]

5 minutes ago, Tezeta said:

I kinda feel this tbh

You gotta admit the power, the ROAR, the incredible energy of a well developed Cane! Especially when you are safe about 769 feet above sea level LOL like me! I mean, I'm crazy about hurricanes but I dont place myself in danger lol!

Its so damned addictive! I'm addicted and I know I'm addicted!

Check THIS one out! Wow man, LIVE 28 foot storm surge! Wow wow!

 

[09-10 analogy]

18 hours ago, Witness Protection Program said:

There are plenty of good 'I' names left, including Ida-Claire, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, Ilemonjello....

Gotta have Ichabod in there.

and what is best, in the story of sleepy hollow, he’s in love with a woman named …

 

Katrina

[A-L-E-K]

jeb knows

[LawdogGRNJ]

What are the odds that Ida strengthens, even just a little, when it hits the Atlantic? The regions it will be passing through are far wetter than normal and the LLC seems to be holding it together.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

3 hours ago, LawdogGRNJ said:

What are the odds that Ida strengthens, even just a little, when it hits the Atlantic? The regions it will be passing through are far wetter than normal and the LLC seems to be holding it together.

It’s not going regain tropical characteristics but it will get a baroclynic boost. Regardless there are going to be flooding issues in the mid Atlantic. We had 7” of rain in NYC from Henri last week and another 2” since then. 6 more inches in a short time will cause major flash flooding 

[LawdogGRNJ]

Cheers neighbor.

 

Yah, REALLY not looking forward to another hosing.  Can I chose "the lotion" instead?

[Prospero]

14 hours ago, Jebman said:

I have got a confession.

I know I am 100% safe from hurricanes here in south central Texas.

I know for a fact that I will never actually be in a hurricane as long as I stay in my safe city, Buda, Texas.

The confession I have is that I am absolutely ADDICTED to hurricane chaser YouTube vids. I adore Hurricane Matthew in 2018. Mexico City, I love the violence and the ROAR of that beautiful wind!  I love the chaser having to DRIVE thru the STORM SURGE! WHAT A FRACKIN' RUSH!!!!!!!!

I am so safe here. I can kick back and watch those vids in complete safety, and I absolutely yearn for more and more and more and more hurricane videos and secretly hope for a scary indomitable 200 mph sustained Gulf Coast Hurricane, because I know those highly addicted storm chasers will get me my prized hurricane vid, in which I'll get to see STORM SURGE! All from the safety and comfort of my favorite kick-back chair! I am so blessed! Nothing can possibly get to me in the landlocked fastness of Central Texas!

The best hurricane of all would be a monster 230 mph Cat 5 with gusts to 310mph behemoth slow mover, buzzsawing hell out of the Coast while storm chasers go completely CRAZY about it as they position and reposition themselves, get out of their well-equipped storm chase vehicles and get all excited and gesticulate at the fast moving threatening black clouds as the cameras are rollin' and I get to enjoy so many videos for all-time! It slowly moves inland then stalls and is so damned slow about decaying lol, and feet of fresh rain pile up while I enjoy the entire thing! Its amazing the way chasers will recall past storms, reciting many different years that 'Canes hit a location! Its very interesting!

Harvey was so fun! All that deep flooding! People frantically twittering for help while the water rose VISIBLY in kitchens! I absolutely adore global warming, love the oceans full of fervent heat! Imagine the sea level rise! Imagine entire coastal cities having to be relocated! Imagine hurricanes so bad that 50 foot storm surge becomes routine! Imagine the excitement of 4 foot rains becoming routine!

Man I loved that Hurricane Michael Mexico City video so much! I have happily watched it hundreds of times! I guess I am now the Hurricane Man, instead of the snow shoveling man.

I leave you with this beautiful video, my personal favorite.

 

Be sure to watch some tsunami videos on YouTube too.

[Jebman]

6 hours ago, Prospero said:

Be sure to watch some tsunami videos on YouTube too.

I already love the March 2011 vids about Japan, and especially the Christmas 2004 videos about the incredible Thailand tsunami!

Kesennuma tsunami, that went right up the Okawa River! The power of that black water! Wow wow wow wow! What can I say?

 

[Prospero]

13 minutes ago, Jebman said:

I already love the March 2011 vids about Japan, and especially the Christmas 2004 videos about the incredible Thailand tsunami!

Kesennuma tsunami, that went right up the Okawa River! The power of that black water! Wow wow wow wow! What can I say?

 

When I am bored and my wife is snoozing in front of the TV in her easy chair, I grab the remote and play tsunami videos. I have heard that if a major tsunami came to Florida, like if a big part of a particular island off of African fell into the ocean, it could wipe out many cities and towns in Florida. Not a good thought, evacuation would be impossible.

[Jebman]

I dont think FL will ever have a tsunami.

Here is another good video, some surge in this one during Hurricane Delta, tho it might be freshwater flooding

 

[Prospero]

4 minutes ago, Jebman said:

I dont think FL will ever have a tsunami.

Here is another good video, some surge in this one during Hurricane Delta, tho it might be freshwater flooding

 

Water is amazing.

Just noticed in your signature:

"Only in northern VA can you get 12 inches of snow then 2 days later hit 57 degrees. DAMN ! Then Moderate RAIN that night. DAMN DAMN !!"

You should be in Denver or Colorado Springs where it can in the 70's early in the day, get 3 ft of snow in the late afternoon and evening, be near 10 degrees in the morning. Then be back in the 70's two days later.

[Prospero]

12 minutes ago, Jebman said:

I dont think FL will ever have a tsunami.

If an asteroid splashes into the Gulf of Mexico, I can be to the top of the Skyway bridge in 15 minutes and take live video until it gets washed away. Then someone in Texas can watch it over and over on YouTube...

[Jebman]

2 hours ago, Prospero said:

Water is amazing.

Just noticed in your signature:

"Only in northern VA can you get 12 inches of snow then 2 days later hit 57 degrees. DAMN ! Then Moderate RAIN that night. DAMN DAMN !!"

You should be in Denver or Colorado Springs where it can in the 70's early in the day, get 3 ft of snow in the late afternoon and evening, be near 10 degrees in the morning. Then be back in the 70's two days later.

I have heard of their wild temperature swings. I was upset about the mild weather because all I ever wanted, was the snow we got then more snow on top of it!

[Jebman]

2 hours ago, Prospero said:

If an asteroid splashes into the Gulf of Mexico, I can be to the top of the Skyway bridge in 15 minutes and take live video until it gets washed away, and a helicopter swings by and miraculously scoops you alive off the Skyway. Then someone in Texas can watch it over and over on YouTube... Then we can both watch it over and over....

FIXED.

[Jebman]

Love this vid shot in Houma during Ida!

 

[Floydbuster]

So the media narrative is that Hurricane Ida is a result of climate change. I have been a hurricane/climate change skeptic for decades. I remember Dr. William Gray telling me at a 2005 Hurricane Conference that climate change was a "red herring" and that natural multi-decade cycles caused more hurricanes. So, I don't want to be "anti-science" and ignore all the voices, but when the late, great Dr. Gray himself told me it was not the result of climate change, I find myself skeptical.

I think a few factors are at work:

1. Better technology to name storms. Even in 2001, we didn't name sub-tropical storms, and half of these weak "Julian" type storms would never be named. I remember back in 1999, there was an obvious tropical storm that developed between Hurricane Floyd and Hurricane Gert, and it was never named and quickly dissipated. When you have weather enthusiasts posting close-up visible loops of a naked swirl with a popcorn thunderstorm over it, it becomes much easier to spot and classify.

2. The media. In the post-Katrina world, CNN does non-stop coverage of insignificant non-US tropical systems. Go back to when I was a teen, circa 2000, even a Cat 4 Hurricane like Hurricane Keith near Belize only got a few short mentions on a network like CNN, and even The Weather Channel didn't go into their "super graphics special report" coverage for it, since it was a non-US storm. In a post-Katrina world, every wave gets mentioned, even on mainstream news networks.

3. Social media. How many videos of this flooding would we be seeing if the year was 2001? Remember, even twenty years ago, nobody had smart phones. (Imagine the horror of people live-streaming from the World Trade Center). Everyone having a camera today creates a world where every funnel cloud, every wave, every weather event can be seen by millions all over twitter and facebook within seconds. That's great for weather enthusiasts, but it creates a perception of a NEW constant severe weather climate, when it actuality, it was always there. It was just the social media that wasn't.

4. Population growth. I'm stunned (and uncomfortable TBH) about the massive population explosions along the coastlines. The populations have growth enormously over recent years. I don't mean from 1950 to now...I mean from 2000 to now. It's insane the amount of growth. More growth equals more people and property to feel the wrath of weather.

 

 

[Scorpion]

Very good points Naso, props.

We just need a strong Cat 4 to hit the South FL megalopolis. Areas outside of south Miami haven’t been hit with a major since 1949. 

[Windspeed]

So the media narrative is that Hurricane Ida is a result of climate change. I have been a hurricane/climate change skeptic for decades. I remember Dr. William Gray telling me at a 2005 Hurricane Conference that climate change was a "red herring" and that natural multi-decade cycles caused more hurricanes. So, I don't want to be "anti-science" and ignore all the voices, but when the late, great Dr. Gray himself told me it was not the result of climate change, I find myself skeptical.
I think a few factors are at work:
1. Better technology to name storms. Even in 2001, we didn't name sub-tropical storms, and half of these weak "Julian" type storms would never be named. I remember back in 1999, there was an obvious tropical storm that developed between Hurricane Floyd and Hurricane Gert, and it was never named and quickly dissipated. When you have weather enthusiasts posting close-up visible loops of a naked swirl with a popcorn thunderstorm over it, it becomes much easier to spot and classify.
2. The media. In the post-Katrina world, CNN does non-stop coverage of insignificant non-US tropical systems. Go back to when I was a teen, circa 2000, even a Cat 4 Hurricane like Hurricane Keith near Belize only got a few short mentions on a network like CNN, and even The Weather Channel didn't go into their "super graphics special report" coverage for it, since it was a non-US storm. In a post-Katrina world, every wave gets mentioned, even on mainstream news networks.
3. Social media. How many videos of this flooding would we be seeing if the year was 2001? Remember, even twenty years ago, nobody had smart phones. (Imagine the horror of people live-streaming from the World Trade Center). Everyone having a camera today creates a world where every funnel cloud, every wave, every weather event can be seen by millions all over twitter and facebook within seconds. That's great for weather enthusiasts, but it creates a perception of a NEW constant severe weather climate, when it actuality, it was always there. It was just the social media that wasn't.
4. Population growth. I'm stunned (and uncomfortable TBH) about the massive population explosions along the coastlines. The populations have growth enormously over recent years. I don't mean from 1950 to now...I mean from 2000 to now. It's insane the amount of growth. More growth equals more people and property to feel the wrath of weather.
 
 

Climate change is real. Too much scientific evidence to support that anthropogenic influences are leading to events being amplified. I was a skeptic for a while. However, let me stress that simply picking a single event on the whim and blaming climate change is unwise and not very scientific. Plenty of bad tropical cyclones made impacts prior to the onset of anthropogenic influence upon the atmosphere. If anything, blatant blaming this or that without regard dilutes the message without evidence to support claims. You cannot merely state that Ida would not have occurred without climate change and not be undermined by historical TC landfalls. It is possible or at least more believing that climate extremes may lead to more frequency or stronger systems now, but it's why scientists do research. But you cannot just wave a magic wand however and erase the similar events that occurred 100 years ago.

[sojitodd]

On 9/3/2021 at 5:44 AM, Floydbuster said:

So the media narrative is that Hurricane Ida is a result of climate change. I have been a hurricane/climate change skeptic for decades. I remember Dr. William Gray telling me at a 2005 Hurricane Conference that climate change was a "red herring" and that natural multi-decade cycles caused more hurricanes. So, I don't want to be "anti-science" and ignore all the voices, but when the late, great Dr. Gray himself told me it was not the result of climate change, I find myself skeptical.

I think a few factors are at work:

1. Better technology to name storms. Even in 2001, we didn't name sub-tropical storms, and half of these weak "Julian" type storms would never be named. I remember back in 1999, there was an obvious tropical storm that developed between Hurricane Floyd and Hurricane Gert, and it was never named and quickly dissipated. When you have weather enthusiasts posting close-up visible loops of a naked swirl with a popcorn thunderstorm over it, it becomes much easier to spot and classify.

2. The media. In the post-Katrina world, CNN does non-stop coverage of insignificant non-US tropical systems. Go back to when I was a teen, circa 2000, even a Cat 4 Hurricane like Hurricane Keith near Belize only got a few short mentions on a network like CNN, and even The Weather Channel didn't go into their "super graphics special report" coverage for it, since it was a non-US storm. In a post-Katrina world, every wave gets mentioned, even on mainstream news networks.

3. Social media. How many videos of this flooding would we be seeing if the year was 2001? Remember, even twenty years ago, nobody had smart phones. (Imagine the horror of people live-streaming from the World Trade Center). Everyone having a camera today creates a world where every funnel cloud, every wave, every weather event can be seen by millions all over twitter and facebook within seconds. That's great for weather enthusiasts, but it creates a perception of a NEW constant severe weather climate, when it actuality, it was always there. It was just the social media that wasn't.

4. Population growth. I'm stunned (and uncomfortable TBH) about the massive population explosions along the coastlines. The populations have growth enormously over recent years. I don't mean from 1950 to now...I mean from 2000 to now. It's insane the amount of growth. More growth equals more people and property to feel the wrath of weather.

 

 

smh.

[Prospero]

On 9/3/2021 at 10:37 AM, Windspeed said:

On 9/3/2021 at 5:44 AM, Floydbuster said:

 

Climate change is real. Too much scientific evidence to support that anthropogenic influences are leading to events being amplified. I was a skeptic for a while. However, let me stress that simply picking a single event on the whim and blaming climate change is unwise and not very scientific. Plenty of bad tropical cyclones made impacts prior to the onset of anthropogenic influence upon the atmosphere. If anything, blatant blaming this or that without regard dilutes the message without evidence to support claims. You cannot merely state that Ida would not have occurred without climate change and not be undermined by historical TC landfalls. It is possible or at least more believing that climate extremes may lead to more frequency or stronger systems now, but it's why scientists do research. But you cannot just wave a magic wand however and erase the similar events that occurred 100 years ago.

Climates have been changing since the beginning of our planet. Obviously what we are doing as a species has some kind of effect on our environment. We know we can kill a river or lake very quickly, etc. We cut down forests and plant fields. We cut into mountains and build roads. We build large cities. We definitely change the atmosphere on some level.

But maybe the climate is changing anyway as it always has.

I get curious, if the oceans keep heating up and hurricanes become less effective at cooling them down, what happens?

More storms, bigger storms, so on at first. But I suppose a hurricane can only become so big or so powerful.

I wonder if on the Earth over the past billions of years there were storms more powerful than hurricanes. What would they be like? A Jupiter like storm maybe?

[CNY_WX]

8 minutes ago, Prospero said:

Climates have been changing since the beginning of our planet. Obviously what we are doing as a species has some kind of effect on our environment. We know we can kill a river or lake very quickly, etc. We cut down forests and plant fields. We cut into mountains and build roads. We build large cities. We definitely change the atmosphere on some level.

But maybe the climate is changing anyway as it always has.

I get curious, if the oceans keep heating up and hurricanes become less effective at cooling them down, what happens?

More storms, bigger storms, so on at first. But I suppose a hurricane can only become so big or so powerful.

I wonder if on the Earth over the past billions of years there were storms more powerful than hurricanes. What would they be like? A Jupiter like storm maybe?

A “Great Red Spot” on Earth?

[Windspeed]

Climates have been changing since the beginning of our planet. Obviously what we are doing as a species has some kind of effect on our environment. We know we can kill a river or lake very quickly, etc. We cut down forests and plant fields. We cut into mountains and build roads. We build large cities. We definitely change the atmosphere on some level.
But maybe the climate is changing anyway as it always has.
I get curious, if the oceans keep heating up and hurricanes become less effective at cooling them down, what happens?
More storms, bigger storms, so on at first. But I suppose a hurricane can only become so big or so powerful.
I wonder if on the Earth over the past billions of years there were storms more powerful than hurricanes. What would they be like? A Jupiter like storm maybe?

Note that I stated "anthropogenic"; that was for a reason. Clearly climates change over time, but very slowly and on the geological scale of ages such a glacial and interglacial periods. These are also forced by introductions of gases or particulates into the atmosphere via a natural process (volcanic activity or rising/sinking crust), continental movements via plate tectonics and changes in shallow marine environments, or a slight change in a solar output via our closest star. These are gradual and we have geologic ages built around some of the major ones. That being said, macroclimates should not be rapidly changing within a few hundred years like a microclimate without some large scale global catalyst. There are no natural processes that can explain what we are measuring. Oh, except that pesky fact that human beings are wreaking havoc on the planet by both altering the surface and pumping 40 billion metric tons of carbon into the atmosphere per year; and that figure is still unfortunately rising each year that passes.

[SnowenOutThere]

After looking at this thread I have to think that climate change (caused by us) is linked to these storms in some way. This is simply due to when the atmosphere heats up the ocean heats up and when you get worse storms. We have also seen a noticeable uptick in RI in storms right before landfall, which would make sense given that the ocean's temperature is rising, the simplest explanation is that climate change is making these events worse. As for flooding that is an area that we have pretty conclusively linked to climate change with how warmer air can hold more moisture and we have seen that with record breaking floods. With all of these events happening at the same time the simplest explanation is that the climate is changing because of us and this is leading to worse storms.   

[etudiant]

1 hour ago, Windspeed said:

1 hour ago, Prospero said:

Climates have been changing since the beginning of our planet. Obviously what we are doing as a species has some kind of effect on our environment. We know we can kill a river or lake very quickly, etc. We cut down forests and plant fields. We cut into mountains and build roads. We build large cities. We definitely change the atmosphere on some level.
But maybe the climate is changing anyway as it always has.
I get curious, if the oceans keep heating up and hurricanes become less effective at cooling them down, what happens?
More storms, bigger storms, so on at first. But I suppose a hurricane can only become so big or so powerful.
I wonder if on the Earth over the past billions of years there were storms more powerful than hurricanes. What would they be like? A Jupiter like storm maybe?

Note that I stated "anthropogenic"; that was for a reason. Clearly climates change over time, but very slowly and on the geological scale of ages such a glacial and interglacial periods. 

I'd been under the impression that very sharp climate swings were the norm, as evidenced by the very abrupt temperature changes during the most recent ice age and the 'Younger Dryas' cold snap.