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29 minutes ago, Syrmax said:

Now that was a shite winter. We had 2-3" of snow on May 18th 2002, around Albany and Cap District.   It was a SMH event as i had planted tomatoes and other sensitive veggies the day before (to stop my wife from bitching about it).  And they died...

I was a junior in high school and we had tents set up in a hayfield for after prom but the 4” or 5” of heavy wet snow destroyed all the tents!  Not to mention destroying the hopes of 16 and 17yr old boys after prom....

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We had moved into our house in 2001 and planted at least a dozen lilacs.

They had all survived the winter and leafed out beautifully.

We woke that morning to about 4 inches of heavy wet oatmeal consistency snow.

Lilacs took a beating.  About half of them never full recovered.  I think it was because they had just been transplanted the year before.

I can still remember my wife outside in her work clothes trying to gently shake the snow off some of them.  No bueno.

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Differences still present today especially with regard to extent of
warm layer aloft and resulting ptype. Off the top, the GFS has
trended to a very warm outlier even compared to its own ensembles
from GEFS, both aloft and at the sfc. It seems to do this because it
is farther northwest with its sfc low on Thursday morning. The NAM
which was a cold outlier yesterday with its warm layer aloft is now
much more like the majority of the models including the 00z ECMWF,
Canadian-NH and WRF-ARW and NMM. That is how this forecast will
head, which really won`t change the going forecast too much in terms
of ptype late Wednesday night into Thursday morning. Now though with
a farther south sfc low, there is also trend for more precip to
linger longer on Thursday from Niagara Frontier to the North
Country. Could see some mixed precip over Niagara Frontier instead
of just rain, mainly toward Niagara county as maxT aloft only gets
above 0c there by late morning. And, for at least the far northern
reaches of the North Country, it is feasible that primary ptype all
day Thursday could remain snow, maybe mixing with sleet, as bulk of
strongest warming aloft deflects more east than north as the day
progresses. Adding to the dizzying model inconsistency for this
system is the 12z ECMWF which now offers a sharp contrast to the
warmer GFS and its previous runs as it trended colder over western
NY, along Lake Ontario and certainly for the North Country. That
ECMWF solution would probably keep ptype mainly snow in all those
areas on Thursday, possibly mixed with freezing drizzle or light
freezing rain if deep moisture strips away at times. Still have time
to see if the colder trend holds or if it is just an aberation.
Still likely will see a lull in more widespread precip Thursday
afternoon, especially across the Southern Tier and Finger Lakes as
that is where sfc low and pocket of drier air aloft eventually
slides across.

On Thursday night, main coastal storm looks to miss us to the east
as sfc low developing along the southeast coast quickly lifts along
or just east of the Mid Atlantic states late Thursday night into
Friday morning. However, the northern stream trough and right
entrance region of departing jet across Quebec may support of swath
of precip across much of the area. Ptype would have best chance of
being snow over far western NY but could be a mix elsewhere (snow
and drizzle/freezing drizzle perhaps) eventually changing to snow on
Friday as deepening low lifting off the New England coast advects
colder air across the lower Great Lakes. Based on good agreement
from the ECMWF, GFS and Canadian-NH showing H85 temps lower than
-10c and lift and deep moisture in upper trough axis moving through,
it sure seems there could be a window where several inches of lake
enhanced snow could occur for areas favored by nw winds into Friday
afternoon. Deep moisture cuts out late so that would likely knock
down intensity and coverage of the snow by evening.

Overall we are still looking at the potential for headlines for what
at this time looks like advisory level snow/wintry mix Wednesday
night into Thursday and/or lake enhanced snow for areas favored by
nw winds downwind of the lakes later Thursday night and especially
on Friday. The morning commute on Thursday could be impacted by
the snow and wintry mix over much of the region. No headlines
yet as impact will not occur until late Wednesday night, but
will continue to mention in the HWO.
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5 minutes ago, 96blizz said:

Man what a conundrum for me. Business dinner in NJ I can’t miss on Thursday night. Driving home Friday AM. Thinking the earlier I can leave the better I will be (about 4 hour ride under normal conditions back to Skaneateles). 

Most of your trip is south of any real action, no?

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3 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

Most of your trip is south of any real action, no?

It’s a good point. Could be a rough last hour and half or two coming up 81 and then 41A but since it’s been marginal for weeks I am hopeful I will be okay. 
 

I was just down in Parsippany and have no idea how people live where there are so many humans. I get some have to For work, family, etc. but it’s outrageous. 

Moving up here from there was such a life changing experience. 

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11 hours ago, Geez150 said:

I too wish we were to get a decade or two of those types of winters. The people who are old enough to remember those winters still talk about how winters should be. I have been saying this all winter as this is what our 4-5 bad year in a row and overall the last decade has been bad, this is our new normal... I feel like this damp barely cold enough for snow sometimes winters are what the southern mid West winters are like and now they are our winters too. Unfortunately I believe you have to bet warm until proven wrong. I am betting next winter is warm too...We truly need something big to happen in an equal to reaction of cold to break this warm trend and it would have to be in the way of cold like we have never seen. 

Thanks for sharing. Us hardcore winter-lovers are a rare breed!

1 hour ago, wolfie09 said:

Thursdays event, as of now..

 

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BUF trolling Freak's house? lol

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Just now, PaulyFromPlattsburgh said:

Yes we are in a really good spot at this point. Latest guidance even the GFS shows upwards of 10 inches from both combined. 

Looks like epic skiing. Even 4-5 is great. Beats the driving rain that had been showing. Most of the action is inside 78 hrs- so one would hope the models have a lock on this at this point; this winter has ruined my confidence. 

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1 minute ago, rochesterdave said:

Looks like epic skiing. Even 4-5 is great. Beats the driving rain that had been showing. Most of the action is inside 78 hrs- so one would hope the models have a lock on this at this point; this winter has ruined my confidence. 

I agree. We are traumatized. But like you said trends and time are on our side. For once we are trending the right way.

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8 minutes ago, PaulyFromPlattsburgh said:

Yes we are in a really good spot at this point. Latest guidance even the GFS shows upwards of 10 inches from both combined. 

I’ll be heading to my camp in old forge.  Looks good but can’t get into the higher totals that far west and shadowed.  I may have to drive through whatever ice condition develops along 87, that’s my main worry.  Hopefully it’s all out by 18z or shortly after Friday so I can make my way up.

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Went for a walk in the hood today. Despite getting nothing more than an inch at a time over the past 2.5 weeks, we have still kept some snowcover. Grass is now showing along south-facing areas, under areas with trees, and definitely within the town of Bville. I'd say we're still about 80% covered in my area with a couple inches of snow. I was still able to capture some wintry pictures, although it felt and sounded like Spring with the running water. 

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9 minutes ago, Syrmax said:

KBGM going 2-3" here Wed/Thurs and 2-4" Friday/Sat. Sounds about right.  Rain to snow on friday a.m. High temps mid 30s to 40s Fri & Sat in AFD.  Temps after that in seasonal range next week, 30s and low 40s.

The point and click for this area has temperatures in the mid 20s on Saturday while the 2M GFS forecast for Saturday has temperatures barely making it out of the single digits. 

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13 minutes ago, CNY_WX said:

The point and click for this area has temperatures in the mid 20s on Saturday while the 2M GFS forecast for Saturday has temperatures barely making it out of the single digits. 

I was reading their AFD. Maybe it's old but certainly not inspiring. I've found their snowfall forecasts to be disturbingly accurate for us, as compared to KBUF. Generally, take the under as compared to NWP.   Hopefully they're off this time, or old data.  These look like 2 waves barely separated. So I can buy moderate snowfalls here.

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