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  1. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Although this weather has been/will be boring, this is very good for us in the Susquehanna/Delaware River watersheds (and I think most of upstate NY). We needed a prolonged cold/dry spell to let water run off. 1.5 weeks ago I was afraid we were one good rain event away from major flooding. As much as I love snow, I’m considering us lucky to be getting this dry weather.
  2. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    A little late with this as we are currently thawing, but I measured just over 2in of ice on our pond yesterday and walked out on it on Nov 24th! This property has been in our family since 1960 and my father and uncle think this may be the earliest date to walk on the pond in that time. Regardless, it’s impressive for this time of year and a nice reminder that us snow lovers are getting spoiled by this pattern.
  3. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Light snow in Binghamton at 2:51PM.
  4. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    No snow in Binghamton as of 2:10 PM. Light snow has begun in Elmira according to one of my crews. It seems like there is some dry air to overcome so don’t expect the snow to fly with the front edge of the radar. Incidentally, I live in Delaware County which is one of the counties in the “WWA hole” surrounded by WSW. It will be interesting to see what transpires over the next 18 hours!
  5. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    2in snow this morning at 1,700ft in NW Delaware County. Radar shows it still snowing but it’s probably melting on the bottom as fast as it’s building on the top.
  6. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    I was just going to ask what the risk is for that timeframe. I’m trying to not look past the current event, but that potential storm would affect work plans. This March has been very impressive for the greater Catskills area. I’m in western Delaware County and the snowpack is approaching impressive especially considering that we haven’t been hit hard by any of these snowstorms and have been basically nickel and diming our way to a decent snowpack.....in March! And there is more currently falling with another decent storm possible in a few days! It has been a long time since we have had a pattern like this.
  7. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    We frequent Turin and all the areas around there and I would use NYS Rte 26 as the eastern boundary of the deeper “Tug Hill snowpack.” NYS Rte 12 is always the lowest snowpack at any given time, and then steadily increasing snowpack as you head east from Rte 12 toward, say, Stillwater, Brantingham, and Forestport. The greater Morrisville area is a relatively good snow area for being south of the Thruway (I-90), but it’s a whole different animal than Tug Hill or the Adirondacks. Not really comparing “apples to apples.” There will be plenty of times in most winters when you will have nearly bare ground in that area. Something to ask yourself is if you are looking for white ground most of the winter or a consistently deep snowpack? If just white ground with occassional deep snowpack, then most of Oswego County would come into play....maybe stay at least +/-5 miles away from Lake Ontario to help improve the odds? My brother lives just east of Palermo and he seems to be white for 95+% of each winter. The NE corner of Oswego County certainly qualifies for deep snowpack - generally NE of NYS Rte 13. It’s funny that I keep naming state roads as boundaries. It seems too convenient but it really is true.
  8. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    I don’t think there is any question that Tug Hill is your best bet for snow retention based on the options you mentioned. Draw a line from Lowville to Adams (i.e. NYS Rte 177) and stay south of that for the best snow retention. Also run a line north/south about 5 miles east of and parallel to I-81and stay east of that line. There won’t be as many housing options and you have to think about the reality of clearing significant snow nearly daily (and multiple times on many days) before you commit 100%. It sounds cool but you need to truly think about the time, effort, and cost involved. There is also a landfill in Rodman that can result in an unpleasant odor in that small area in the summer. Carthage and Copenhagen areas are good options for commuting to Watertown or Lowville, but they will lose their snow much quicker than just a few miles due south. It doesn’t seem like they would when driving around but it is a significant difference every single year. Could also look to live farther south between Lorraine and Orwell and commute to Watertown. Outside of snow, Lowville is a nice small town which I like a lot, but can be considered “depressing” to some depending on your experience and preferences. Watertown is much more robust with many more options for entertainment and employment. Fort Drum is the main economic factor in the area and that affects all of the northern Tug Hill area. Pulaski is a nice area about halfway between Watertown and Syracuse. I used to live about 5 miles east of Pulaski and commuted to Syracuse. Still miss all that snow but we visit regularly.
  9. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Before we flip the switch back to winter, am I the only one amazed at how a 2 day warm up can erase what was built up by a historical 14+ day stretch of winter weather? As a snowmobiler, yesterday and today has/will destroy most of what was built up over the past few weeks. The deep frost may have a lasting impact but that’s it except for Tug Hill and higher elevations of the Adirondacks. I’m not necessarily whining, but from kind of an outside semi-objective perspective it is truly amazing to me how quickly almost any snowpack in upstate NY can be erased.
  10. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    26" on the ground in NW Delaware County. The flakes have been tiny all day so the snow is actually very dense....but there are mini avalanches and "cracks" in the snow on steep banks because the snow doesn't hold itself together. Very unstable. My brother has 27.5" on the ground in NE Delaware County. Both of us are still adding to it for now.
  11. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    That map looks perfect to me.....the localized bullseye in NW Delaware County is my backyard. Keeping a closer eye on this. It sure seems like we are overdue, but I have been saying that for the last 20 "potential" storms at 3-4 days out so we'll see.
  12. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    We ended up with 2.6" of rain in about 3 hours - lots of it in a 1 hour period - on already saturated ground in NW Delaware County. Lots of unwanted water in our basement and minor flooding throughout the area including driveway and road shoulder washouts. Water flowing over the farm fields everywhere! The pond at my parents was overflowing in several places so we had to dig out an additional emergency overflow. Not exactly the kind of February weather we expected....though it did end in snow and the ground is now white except for the area that are still flowing water. We have a great representative picture of our sled trail that was in primo condition 1 week ago and turned into a steep river yesterday.
  13. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    At 1,700ft in NW Delaware County it started as a snow/sleet mix at 32F and switched to all snow a little after 7AM. I measured exactly 3" on the sidewalk at 10AM. It has continued snowing heavily since then. It's been quite a while since we have had a snowstorm of 10"+ in this neck of the woods so I am hopeful this keeps up....though it looks like quite a gap in the radar (not sure if it is officially considered a dryslot?) is approaching as the systems merge together. It was 31F for most of the morning but is now down to 29F. Let it snow!
  14. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    For anybody who wants to see deep snow, you'll always be disappointed looking for it on or near I-81. You have to go east toward Winona State Forest / Redfield / Osceola / West Leyden / Turin to see the deep snow on the ground. Even the hamlet of Redfield almost always has a significantly smaller snowpack than areas just 2 or 3 miles north or east of there. There is a road between Osceola and West Leyden (Osceola Road?) that would be a good road to drive. Or go north on I-81 to Adams, head East on NYS Route 177, and then head south on any plowed road near Barnes Corners.
  15. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    I regularly lurk on the forum but rarely post as I don't have much to offer. I greatly appreciate your guys' time and effort regarding winter weather forecasts! My family has a small camp near Snow Ridge in Turin and we have been here since Tuesday. There is currently about as much snow as we see max each winter on the ground, with much more forecast. We shoveled 2.5ft of snow off the roof in preparation for the next 2-3ft today through Saturday. As of yesterday, fields on top of the hill (+/-2,000ft elevation) have +/-5ft of snow in them. We are at about 1,300ft elevation and there is about 4ft on the ground in the back lawn (we shoveled the roof in early January before the warmup). At home in the hills between Sidney/Walton (+/- 1,700ft) we have been slowly building a snowpack of 5-6" over the last week. It is pitiful compared to the Tug, but it's a good start to being able to snowmobile and snowshoe at home!
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