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  1. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Brantingham doesn’t get the big totals that everyone seems to covet, but usually builds a pretty solid snowpack throughout the winter. They don’t lose the snow as quickly/often as many areas outside of the Tug and Adirondacks. Farther East it will just keep getting better. Also, you don’t really have to worry about being “on the trail” in Brantingham to rent to sledders because sleds run all those roads to get to the trail. There is usually a nice layer of packed snow/ice on all those roads.
  2. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Yes, that’s a good spot. That’s roughly the NW corner for the “deep snow depth on the Tug.” Snow drops off dramatically North of NYS Rte 177 which is only +/-3 miles north of that cam.
  3. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Dave, You describe it well, except Lowville and Boonville often have similar “lower” snow depths. Basically follow NYS Rte 12 from Boonville to Lowville and then offset maybe +/-3 miles on each side (East and West) to define the Black River Valley that always has much less snow. It’s a combination of: A) Lower elevation and the temperature and precipitation effects that come with that, and; b) Picture a westerly wind coming off Lake Ontario with a nice lake effect plume (the one TugHillMatt has been waiting for). The air upslopes up Tug Hill, then downslopes down into the valley, then upslopes again into the Adirondacks. A north/south line from Brantingham to, say, Forestport is where you often start to see the snow depth becoming impressive again.
  4. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    As someone who plays in the snow as much as I can, I think the overall frustration this winter in NY and the Northeast is the repeated thaws that seem to be happening more than once per week for the past several weeks. Total snowfall isn’t far off “normal”, but that doesn’t mean much when snowpack is repeatedly reduced or even wiped out completely in between snowfalls. Snowpack, not total snowfall, is what matters to anyone who “uses” the snow for hobbies. To that point, this is what TugHillMatt should try to focus on - his consistent snowpack which might increase or decrease but never really disappears until April. This is nearly always the case in his location and points North and East from him. I was on the East side of Tug Hill and then over toward Forestport/White Lake/Old Forge yesterday and Tug Hill, as always this time of the year, has plenty of snow on the ground and 6ft snowbanks along the “snow tunnels”, i.e. roads. This is in +/-2,000ft ASL areas that haven’t had any major snowfalls (the late January heavy lake effect stayed North of the area I was in). The Black River Valley is a different story of course, then snowpack increases again heading East of the valley into the Adirondacks. Long story short, enjoy the snow when it’s here because, this year, it might not last more than a day!
  5. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    In NW Delaware County we had about 9 or 10in by 3AM, then switched to sleet and freezing rain and actually reached 33° at some point this morning! Down to 23° now and back to all snow. This storm will provide a solid base on top of frozen ground for outdoor activities. It was interesting because, for the past several days, the models showed us in a mix for several hours, just like what actually happened. However, most of the forecasts did not seem to acknowledge that possibility until late yesterday. It’s surprising because the warm air always seems to push a little farther north than the models show, and they were showing this for many days leading up to it. I have concluded that meteorologists must be eternal optimists just like snowmobilers and skiers!
  6. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Although this weather has been/will be boring, this is very good for us in the Susquehanna/Delaware River watersheds (and I think most of upstate NY). We needed a prolonged cold/dry spell to let water run off. 1.5 weeks ago I was afraid we were one good rain event away from major flooding. As much as I love snow, I’m considering us lucky to be getting this dry weather.
  7. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    A little late with this as we are currently thawing, but I measured just over 2in of ice on our pond yesterday and walked out on it on Nov 24th! This property has been in our family since 1960 and my father and uncle think this may be the earliest date to walk on the pond in that time. Regardless, it’s impressive for this time of year and a nice reminder that us snow lovers are getting spoiled by this pattern.
  8. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Light snow in Binghamton at 2:51PM.
  9. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    No snow in Binghamton as of 2:10 PM. Light snow has begun in Elmira according to one of my crews. It seems like there is some dry air to overcome so don’t expect the snow to fly with the front edge of the radar. Incidentally, I live in Delaware County which is one of the counties in the “WWA hole” surrounded by WSW. It will be interesting to see what transpires over the next 18 hours!
  10. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    2in snow this morning at 1,700ft in NW Delaware County. Radar shows it still snowing but it’s probably melting on the bottom as fast as it’s building on the top.
  11. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    I was just going to ask what the risk is for that timeframe. I’m trying to not look past the current event, but that potential storm would affect work plans. This March has been very impressive for the greater Catskills area. I’m in western Delaware County and the snowpack is approaching impressive especially considering that we haven’t been hit hard by any of these snowstorms and have been basically nickel and diming our way to a decent snowpack.....in March! And there is more currently falling with another decent storm possible in a few days! It has been a long time since we have had a pattern like this.
  12. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    We frequent Turin and all the areas around there and I would use NYS Rte 26 as the eastern boundary of the deeper “Tug Hill snowpack.” NYS Rte 12 is always the lowest snowpack at any given time, and then steadily increasing snowpack as you head east from Rte 12 toward, say, Stillwater, Brantingham, and Forestport. The greater Morrisville area is a relatively good snow area for being south of the Thruway (I-90), but it’s a whole different animal than Tug Hill or the Adirondacks. Not really comparing “apples to apples.” There will be plenty of times in most winters when you will have nearly bare ground in that area. Something to ask yourself is if you are looking for white ground most of the winter or a consistently deep snowpack? If just white ground with occassional deep snowpack, then most of Oswego County would come into play....maybe stay at least +/-5 miles away from Lake Ontario to help improve the odds? My brother lives just east of Palermo and he seems to be white for 95+% of each winter. The NE corner of Oswego County certainly qualifies for deep snowpack - generally NE of NYS Rte 13. It’s funny that I keep naming state roads as boundaries. It seems too convenient but it really is true.
  13. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    I don’t think there is any question that Tug Hill is your best bet for snow retention based on the options you mentioned. Draw a line from Lowville to Adams (i.e. NYS Rte 177) and stay south of that for the best snow retention. Also run a line north/south about 5 miles east of and parallel to I-81and stay east of that line. There won’t be as many housing options and you have to think about the reality of clearing significant snow nearly daily (and multiple times on many days) before you commit 100%. It sounds cool but you need to truly think about the time, effort, and cost involved. There is also a landfill in Rodman that can result in an unpleasant odor in that small area in the summer. Carthage and Copenhagen areas are good options for commuting to Watertown or Lowville, but they will lose their snow much quicker than just a few miles due south. It doesn’t seem like they would when driving around but it is a significant difference every single year. Could also look to live farther south between Lorraine and Orwell and commute to Watertown. Outside of snow, Lowville is a nice small town which I like a lot, but can be considered “depressing” to some depending on your experience and preferences. Watertown is much more robust with many more options for entertainment and employment. Fort Drum is the main economic factor in the area and that affects all of the northern Tug Hill area. Pulaski is a nice area about halfway between Watertown and Syracuse. I used to live about 5 miles east of Pulaski and commuted to Syracuse. Still miss all that snow but we visit regularly.
  14. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    Before we flip the switch back to winter, am I the only one amazed at how a 2 day warm up can erase what was built up by a historical 14+ day stretch of winter weather? As a snowmobiler, yesterday and today has/will destroy most of what was built up over the past few weeks. The deep frost may have a lasting impact but that’s it except for Tug Hill and higher elevations of the Adirondacks. I’m not necessarily whining, but from kind of an outside semi-objective perspective it is truly amazing to me how quickly almost any snowpack in upstate NY can be erased.
  15. winter_rules

    Upstate/Eastern New York

    26" on the ground in NW Delaware County. The flakes have been tiny all day so the snow is actually very dense....but there are mini avalanches and "cracks" in the snow on steep banks because the snow doesn't hold itself together. Very unstable. My brother has 27.5" on the ground in NE Delaware County. Both of us are still adding to it for now.
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