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February Banter 2019


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The only times the negativity really gets to me is when it’s close to gametime or during the event itself.  At that point, it’s like when you’re at the movies trying to enjoy the show and there’s that obnoxious group that won’t stfu.  Otherwise, the emotional aspect of wanting something you have no control over is just part of the game.  I also think a break can be good...for any hobbies really.

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4 hours ago, Jebman said:

You will not bury The Jebman.

I say the Mid Atlantic WILL see deep snows THIS winter.

I dont have no Deb. It was 84/58 in Austin today and I still dont feel the Deb, because what makes all right in the world for me, is the Mid Atlantic getting deep accumulating snows. I'll gladly take 112 degrees in Austin if it would help Washington DC and Rockville MD get four feet of pow driven by 40 mph northerly winds at 10 degrees. I want you guys to get COLD SMOKED but good!

And, you WILL get them - within the next 4 weeks. The snow will be heavy and deep and everything will get shut down and OPM will be a total disaster and snow lovers will be so happy they will be in orbit!

We don’t deserve you

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1 hour ago, Ji said:
3 hours ago, Clueless said:
What happened with Bob?  Geez.  I’ve been busy.  

He joined mitchnick...ian... zwyts and marcus

Looks like the weenies have overtaken the pros.  :(  I love snow, but admittedly find Ji's meltdowns kind of humorous.

I wish the pros wouldn't take some negativity and bad posting so seriously.  I'm not one of the best posters, so I mainly lurk and learn.  Ji kind of reminds me of the guy in the beginning of the clip after a bad run of the Euro takes away 1 foot of his digital snow.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ji said:
7 hours ago, Clueless said:
What happened with Bob?  Geez.  I’ve been busy.  

He joined mitchnick...ian... zwyts and marcus

Think that should may be telling something to some of the posters on this board? Hell, I am almost in the same place Bob is in at this point. Don't know how many times that I have started writing something up in the last month on the disco just to give up because I didn't feel like spending most of my time trying to carefully word it so it wouldn't trigger some individuals. Disco thread used to be about discussing what the models were showing. Now it seems it is nothing more then a therapy session for the weenies. A session where meltdowns, attacks on others, venting, general nonsense and mayhem, etc... are far too prevalent and bury any real discussion there may be. I have followed this board through it's many migrations for 22+ years because I enjoyed the tracking and discussing it with fellow enthusiasts. But the last few years have been trying as my enjoyment has greatly waned. I am at the point now where I am taking longer and longer breaks from this board just for sanity's sake and actually enjoying it.

Not really sure what the solution is, if in fact there is one. We have tried pleading with individuals for some self control. That has fallen on deaf ears for the most part. We have tried more moderation but all we have gotten from that was nonstop and disgusting attacks on some Mods driving them away. Mods I might add, that were good people that were giving freely of their time to try to make the boards better for us. Other things have been tried as well. All of these attempts have fallen flat as the board continues to deteriorate year after year. Along with this deterioration we are also seeing a constant bleeding away of the more knowledgeable and better posters. Though I would find no enjoyment with it, if this is what the majority want then so be it. I am beyond fighting it anymore. I will just move on elsewhere to get my model/tracking fix.

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3 hours ago, showmethesnow said:
Think that should may be telling something to some of the posters on this board? Hell, I am almost in the same place Bob is in at this point. Don't know how many times that I have started writing something up in the last month on the disco just to give up because I didn't feel like spending most of my time trying to carefully word it so it wouldn't trigger some individuals. Disco thread used to be about discussing what the models were showing. Now it seems it is nothing more then a therapy session for the weenies. A session where meltdowns, attacks on others, venting, general nonsense and mayhem, etc... are far too prevalent and bury any real discussion there may be. I have followed this board through it's many migrations for 22+ years because I enjoyed the tracking and discussing it with fellow enthusiasts. But the last few years have been trying as my enjoyment has greatly waned. I am at the point now where I am taking longer and longer breaks from this board just for sanity's sake and actually enjoying it.
Not really sure what the solution is, if in fact there is one. We have tried pleading with individuals for some self control. That has fallen on deaf ears for the most part. We have tried more moderation but all we have gotten from that was nonstop and disgusting attacks on some Mods driving them away. Mods I might add, that were good people that were giving freely of their time to try to make the boards better for us. Other things have been tried as well. All of these attempts have fallen flat as the board continues to deteriorate year after year. Along with this deterioration we are also seeing a constant bleeding away of the more knowledgeable and better posters. Though I would find no enjoyment with it, if this is what the majority want then so be it. I am beyond fighting it anymore. I will just move on elsewhere to get my model/tracking fix.

Again this is not unlike a sports or political forum. You have your experts...your knowledgeable people....people trying to learn...comedians...attention seekers...whiners....just block out the noise and do your thing. The board is amazing when we are legit tracking a storm. When the pattern sucks...or our patience for a pattern change is tried its frustrating. I mean if you are on the board to track snow and there is no snow in sight...its easy to get sucked into other topics lol. But there is still really good discussion overall. The majority of posts are still good or funny. There are really good posters on this board. Leaving is just silly unless you leave like I leave...once winter ends...i dont post till the next winter!

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Wow. Well, I haven't been in as much myself this month mainly 'cuz I didn't see a lot to track for my area except rain. Reading the past 24-36 hours... To chill, mappy, psu, showme and the rest all I can say is I do understand the frustration. Especially mappy, no sense in that. If y'all feel you need the break, please take it, but don't walk away, I enjoy the talk and fun with all of you. That said, I am sitting here enjoying the snow that all the north lost the other day, ain't much (0.5 so far), but better than the goose egg I've had for the last month. Wishing everyone a good and safe day out there!

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1 hour ago, Ji said:

Again this is not unlike a sports or political forum. You have your experts...your knowledgeable people....people trying to learn...comedians...attention seekers...whiners....just block out the noise and do your thing. The board is amazing when we are legit tracking a storm. When the pattern sucks...or our patience for a pattern change is tried its frustrating. I mean if you are on the board to track snow and there is no snow in sight...its easy to get sucked into other topics lol. But there is still really good discussion overall. The majority of posts are still good or funny. There are really good posters on this board. Leaving is just silly unless you leave like I leave...once winter ends...i dont post till the next winter!

Yeh I don’t typically post around here because I really bring no value lol, but given how crappy tracking has been I figured what the heck ain’t much else going on.

I think the vibe of the board is more so based on how the winter is going not so much the quality of posts. Folkscan say it wasn’t that bad of winter given we almost at climo, but I think we all agree it hasn’t been a fun winter 

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Just now, WxWatcher007 said:

Winter is my silly season because snow makes us crazy. I’m definitely looking forward to serious analysis and hard hitting reporting from the front lines in the other three seasons. 

Thinking of heading to the Midwest again this spring but not sure I can afford it. 

I'm kind of with you on this. I'll take snow and ice when I can get it, but Spring and Summer events are as exciting as anything. Tropical is the best. March 2 2018 wind event was my highlight last year

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2 hours ago, Ji said:

Again this is not unlike a sports or political forum. You have your experts...your knowledgeable people....people trying to learn...comedians...attention seekers...whiners....just block out the noise and do your thing. The board is amazing when we are legit tracking a storm. When the pattern sucks...or our patience for a pattern change is tried its frustrating. I mean if you are on the board to track snow and there is no snow in sight...its easy to get sucked into other topics lol. But there is still really good discussion overall. The majority of posts are still good or funny. There are really good posters on this board. Leaving is just silly unless you leave like I leave...once winter ends...i dont post till the next winter!

This is where I am. Yea some are annoying but I can easily tune it out. But I don’t want to see the better posters like chill walk away.  If that keeps happening this place won’t be as good anymore and the clowns will run the show. 

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1 minute ago, psuhoffman said:

This is where I am. Yea some are annoying but I can easily tune it out. But I don’t want to see the better posters like chill walk away.  If that keeps happening this place won’t be as good anymore and the clowns will run the show. 

Everyone is different. I have higher tolerance for the silly and whiny shit overall. I mostly ignore it. The "good ol days" of this forum are gone, so anyone that's clinging to that needs to move beyond it and accept its just different now. Everything changes.

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7 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

This is where I am. Yea some are annoying but I can easily tune it out. But I don’t want to see the better posters like chill walk away.  If that keeps happening this place won’t be as good anymore and the clowns will run the show. 

Did Chill leave or just taking a fishing break?

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11 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

Lol you ain't kidding. And I know this is a fail scenario for here 9 times out of 10, other than a quick inch of slop to rain. Not a single thing weather wise to track right now other than this crap though, and who knows, it could end up the 10% where a legit thump happens before the flip.

Didn’t want to deb up the storm thread so asking this here. Since your kind of already seeing this as a likely crap ending maybe you see what I see.  Isn’t this kind of evolving exactly like last week did?  From range it looked like it could track under us. There were some big hit looks. Then the primary evolved into a cutter but with the 50/50 we shifted to hope of a front thump. But that slowly degraded to a more climo look. 

Not saying this ends as bad. North of Baltimore did ok so some small shift and maybe it’s a better result. Just saying this is depressingly similar even with our shift to decreased expectations as the look degraded.  And it’s the same general storm track we’ve had since mid January with every major wave. Take away the crazy 50/50 and this would be a big rainstorm.  In hindsight what we hoped was a transition ended up being the dominant pattern of the second half of winter. 

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4 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Didn’t want to deb up the storm thread so asking this here. Since your kind of already seeing this as a likely crap ending maybe you see what I see.  Isn’t this kind of evolving exactly like last week did?  From range it looked like it could track under us. There were some big hit looks. Then the primary evolved into a cutter but with the 50/50 we shifted to hope of a front thump. But that slowly degraded to a more climo look. 

Not saying this ends as bad. North of Baltimore did ok so some small shift and maybe it’s a better result. Just saying this is depressingly similar even with our shift to decreased expectations as the look degraded.  And it’s the same general storm track we’ve had since mid January with every major wave. Take away the crazy 50/50 and this would be a big rainstorm.  In hindsight what we hoped was a transition ended up being the dominant pattern of the second half of winter. 

I agree with this but my take is that we never got that storm to under 100 hours with the good look.  It had deep cad runs into NC before that quickly degraded for us near the cities.  This one, and the 12z gfs is showing cad pushing down past Richmond as precip moves in makes this in my eyes a little better.  Will it be a 6” thump for all? No but I think this one has more potential than last week.

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1 hour ago, WxWatcher007 said:

I still can’t believe I was out of town AND missed a 40” snowfall like 20 miles to my west. 

I like the other seasons. Spring brings nice outdoors wx with some severe. Summer brings me big heat (sometimes) with long days and severe. Fall brings the return of football, cooler wx, and tropical, not to mention the return of coastal season. There’s a lot in the other seasons. I’m a year round weenie.

Winter would easily be my favorite season if every winter was like 2009-10 or 2013-14. But most of the time, they're a struggle... so I can't really figure out which season is my favorite.

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55 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Didn’t want to deb up the storm thread so asking this here. Since your kind of already seeing this as a likely crap ending maybe you see what I see.  Isn’t this kind of evolving exactly like last week did?  From range it looked like it could track under us. There were some big hit looks. Then the primary evolved into a cutter but with the 50/50 we shifted to hope of a front thump. But that slowly degraded to a more climo look. 

Not saying this ends as bad. North of Baltimore did ok so some small shift and maybe it’s a better result. Just saying this is depressingly similar even with our shift to decreased expectations as the look degraded.  And it’s the same general storm track we’ve had since mid January with every major wave. Take away the crazy 50/50 and this would be a big rainstorm.  In hindsight what we hoped was a transition ended up being the dominant pattern of the second half of winter. 

I always expect a crap ending when there is a deep trough out west and a bulging SE ridge lol. Based on yesterday's runs, I thought well maybe that big ass vortex could compress the flow, enhance the High and give us some real deal CAD that would hold as we got thumped with WAA precip. The thump has all but disappeared. Its pretty much falling apart today, as expected honestly. Up your way maybe you see a few inches of snow/sleet then some ice, somewhat like last week, but I am sure you are getting tired of that outcome lol.

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21 minutes ago, Fozz said:

Winter would easily be my favorite season if every winter was like 2009-10 or 2013-14. But most of the time, they're a struggle... so I can't really figure out which season is my favorite.

That’s why someday I’m moving somewhere that every winter is like that. Colorado has the added bonus of great outdoor activities, skiing, hiking, rafting, fishing etc. 

I would miss the HECS events. Nothing is like those. But in another 15 years or so I think I’ll be ready to hang that up and just be somewhere that has snow 90% of the time from Thanksgiving to Easter and not worry about any one storm anymore. Might even root for the warm sunny days then lol. 

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54 minutes ago, LP08 said:

I agree with this but my take is that we never got that storm to under 100 hours with the good look.  It had deep cad runs into NC before that quickly degraded for us near the cities.  This one, and the 12z gfs is showing cad pushing down past Richmond as precip moves in makes this in my eyes a little better.  Will it be a 6” thump for all? No but I think this one has more potential than last week.

I agree this has more potential in DC. 

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4 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

That’s why someday I’m moving somewhere that every winter is like that. Colorado has the added bonus of great outdoor activities, skiing, hiking, rafting, fishing etc. 

I would miss the HECS events. Nothing is like those. But in another 15 years or so I think I’ll be ready to hang that up and just be somewhere that has snow 90% of the time from Thanksgiving to Easter and not worry about any one storm anymore. Might even root for the warm sunny days then lol. 

The problem with Denver, Boulder, and Grand Junction is that they often warm up and their snow melts as quickly as it does here. But they do have access to much better mountains than we do. The ski towns are amazing, but they're also very expensive and I'm not sure if they have a lot of non-ski jobs.

Northern New England would be very nice. Not as good skiing as Colorado, but they do get the big east coast storms, and they get them much more often than we do. 

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8 minutes ago, C.A.P.E. said:

I always expect a crap ending when there is a deep trough out west and a bulging SE ridge lol. Based on yesterday's runs, I thought well maybe that big ass vortex could compress the flow, enhance the High and give us some real deal CAD that would hold as we got thumped with WAA precip. The thump has all but disappeared. Its pretty much falling apart today, as expected honestly. Up your way maybe you see a few inches of snow/sleet then some ice, somewhat like last week, but I am sure you are getting tired of that outcome lol.

Yes. That’s been the MO up here all winter since the flip in early January. 

I hate to sound spoiled and ungrateful but it snows up here pretty much every winter. Even in total crap years. Getting less than ~20” is a once every 20 years type fail and even in those years usually it’s at least ~10”. What I love about up here is that most years we can count on at least one coastal crush 8”+ snowstorm. This year has been non stop small events or snow to ice to rain. I’d rather not lose any more trees and at this point if I’m not going to get that one dynamic snow event I’d rather just move on to next year. 

But that’s just me and I’ll still track and keep that crap out of the main thread. 

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5 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Yes. That’s been the MO up here all winter since the flip in early January. 

I hate to sound spoiled and ungrateful but it snows up here pretty much every winter. Even in total crap years. Getting less than ~20” is a once every 20 years type fail and even in those years usually it’s at least ~10”. What I love about up here is that most years we can count on at least one coastal crush 8”+ snowstorm. This year has been non stop small events or snow to ice to rain. I’d rather not lose any more trees and at this point if I’m not going to get that one dynamic snow event I’d rather just move on to next year. 

But that’s just me and I’ll still track and keep that crap out of the main thread. 

If I get another half inch of snow before it flips to rain I will leap into double digit snowfall territory! So there's that, lol.

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14 minutes ago, Fozz said:

The problem with Denver, Boulder, and Grand Junction is that they often warm up and their snow melts as quickly as it does here. But they do have access to much better mountains than we do. The ski towns are amazing, but they're also very expensive and I'm not sure if they have a lot of non-ski jobs.

It’s mostly a “retirement” plan. There are some more affordable places near ski towns. Outside steamboat or in Leadville which is close to Vail and Copper. Once I get my state pension I can work part time at some resort and be fine.  

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21 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

It’s mostly a “retirement” plan. There are some more affordable places near ski towns. Outside steamboat or in Leadville which is close to Vail and Copper. Once I get my state pension I can work part time at some resort and be fine.  

Sounds like a great plan. You'll never have to worry about La Nina or the NAO.

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