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2018/19 Winter Banter and General Discussion - We winter of YORE

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High of 47.8° F even with nearly full sunshine this afternoon, but we are starting to get some high cirrus now though. The valleys were in the upper 50s to near 60. It actually felt a little hot in the sun, since I was dressed for 40-42° F and overcast like it was prior to noon.

The roads are getting soft and muddy today. They were still hard this morning, but the sun and snowmelt has softened the roads to the point where you get those ruts. Therefore, I declare today the beginning of mud season.

Tentatively, I'd give this winter a C+. Novie was epic (especially with that 2 footer I had right after Turkey Day), but December was a ratter. January was decent, but nothing special. February and March have been disappointing with nothing over 6". We had no measurable snow for 2 weeks in early February, which must be a hard feat to pull off up here.

At least we've had a steady, uninterrupted snow pack and no mega February torches like the past two seasons. The hard snow pack has been good for snow mobiling, and the ski areas got a good base established early.

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Just now, wxmanmitch said:

The roads are getting soft and muddy today. They were still hard this morning, but the sun and snowmelt has softened the roads to the point where you get those ruts. Therefore, I declare today the beginning of mud season.

Tentatively, I'd give this winter a C+. Novie was epic (especially with that 2 footer I had right after Turkey Day), but December was a ratter. January was decent, but nothing special. February and March have been disappointing with nothing over 6". We had no measurable snow for 2 weeks in early February, which must be a hard feat to pull off up here.

At least we've had a steady, uninterrupted snow pack and no mega February torches like the past two seasons. The hard snow pack has been good for snow mobiling, and the ski areas got a good base established early.

Posters went up yesterday on our gravel road, and on many others, paved or not.  Should be a slimy weekend on the 2,000' between the tar and our driveway.  Fortunately, the material on our road is such that it becomes solid for light traffic once the frost is gone from the top 4-6".  That won't happen for at least 2 more weeks, however.  Meanwhile the woodlots on major (thus unposted) roads will begin to see more activity.

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47 minutes ago, NeonPeon said:

Crocus in bloom.  Eradicating wild onions... one of the worst winters I can remember, which makes it easy to say goodbye.

Wow really? Even in torch spots i haven’t seen one green shoot yet. 

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21 minutes ago, wxmanmitch said:

High of 47.8° F even with nearly full sunshine this afternoon, but we are starting to get some high cirrus now though. The valleys were in the upper 50s to near 60. It actually felt a little hot in the sun, since I was dressed for 40-42° F and overcast like it was prior to noon.

The roads are getting soft and muddy today. They were still hard this morning, but the sun and snowmelt has softened the roads to the point where you get those ruts. Therefore, I declare today the beginning of mud season.

Tentatively, I'd give this winter a C+. Novie was epic (especially with that 2 footer I had right after Turkey Day), but December was a ratter. January was decent, but nothing special. February and March have been disappointing with nothing over 6". We had no measurable snow for 2 weeks in early February, which must be a hard feat to pull off up here.

At least we've had a steady, uninterrupted snow pack and no mega February torches like the past two seasons. The hard snow pack has been good for snow mobiling, and the ski areas got a good base established early.

That storm was after thanksgiving? I thought December. Is that the one that gave 12-18 prior to upslope? I remember even adjacent Monroe MA I think had 18”. Nothing much just south. 

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1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

Probably C- to C+ for me with winter. Would be a D prior to the 16” blitz. That brings it up quite a bit. 49” so far. 

Solid B-, just above average. Maybe a B with a little extra credit. 

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Just now, OceanStWx said:

Solid B-, just above average. Maybe a B with a little extra credit. 

We B.  Nothing wrong with a nice handful. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Probably C- to C+ for me with winter. Would be a D prior to the 16” blitz. That brings it up quite a bit. 49” so far. 

What's the long term average?  49" is a good amount of snow for what basically seemed like no snow for 3 months.

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15 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Wow really? Even in torch spots i haven’t seen one green shoot yet. 

Yeah... its been unusually sunny but not unusually warm.  This is about normal for early bulbs down here.  There's a massive lag between the first signs of spring here, and any larger perennials doing anything though, let alone the trees.  Places a little further inland usually go zooming past us as we have weeks of damp fog.  

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22 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

What's the long term average?  49" is a good amount of snow for what basically seemed like no snow for 3 months.

Logan is 44”. The guy near me  in Hingham 30 yr is near 48 I think. The thing is, I got similar amounts interior for this year, but it got washed away quite a bit. Finally had snowpack the last month or so. 

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2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Logan is 44”. The guy near me  in Hingham 30 yr is near 48 I think. The thing is, I got similar amounts interior for this year, but it got washed away quite a bit. Finally had snowpack the last month or so. 

That's crazy though when you really think about it.  Looking back on this winter in the sea scrolls, someone in like 50 years will be like oh, a normal snow winter.  Even in a crap winter like this you guys pull normal snowfall...it really takes a ratter to truly deliver below normal snow.  Like 2015-16 was terrible but I think you guys were near normal as well?  

Also shows why straight snowfall totals don't tell the whole story, not by a longshot.  

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Still full cover here surprisingly, even in the torch spots and under the pines.  The depth took a hit though. We should be down to patches by tomorrow night.

I would give the winter a C-. It would be a D if it wasn't for all the snow we had in November.  An April 97' redux would bring it to a B- (best score possible).

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

That's crazy though when you really think about it.  Looking back on this winter in the sea scrolls, someone in like 50 years will be like oh, a normal snow winter.  Even in a crap winter like this you guys pull normal snowfall...it really takes a ratter to truly deliver below normal snow.  Like 2015-16 was terrible but I think you guys were near normal as well?  

Also shows why straight snowfall totals don't tell the whole story, not by a longshot.  

We haven’t had a true ratter since 11-12. Pretty remarkable we lucked out again this year. My childish behavior paid off with 16” last Monday. 

 

This winter frustrated the hell out of me. To the point where I got emotions I never had before. :lol:  Perhaps because it was good fairly close by relatively speaking. Maybe we can all do 08-09 and 10-11 and all be happy. :) 

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3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

We haven’t had a true ratter since 11-12. Pretty remarkable we lucked out again this year. My childish behavior paid off with 16” last Monday. 

 

This winter frustrated the hell out of me. To the point where I got emotions I never had before. :lol:  Perhaps because it was good fairly close by relatively speaking. Maybe we can all do 08-09 and 10-11 and all be happy. :) 

Had a week at Camp Pitchafit?

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16 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Had a week at Camp Pitchafit?

After a retreat at Bitchalot. You’d think being a met and knowing climo I would act more mature, but I guess I’m not ready yet. 

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6 minutes ago, dryslot said:

I would have thought you would have came with an F, Shocked...........:)

He got a 12” storm and near normal climo. I’d hate to see what the 80s would be when they return. 

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1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

After a retreat at Bitchalot. You’d think being a met and knowing climo I would act more mature, but I guess I’m not ready yet. 

Nobody's perfect, But if your going to miss, Missing big is the way to go.

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4 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

An effen F here.   Worst in a while...so many rain events.  December and January were disasters.  **** it in the worst way

You had less in  15 16  I had a little more in 15 16 than this year so far

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C-

With avg snowfall I start right at a C and adjust from there. Decent, sustained pack for most of the winter. Occasional good cold shots. However just way too frustrating with the cutters and the frequent light junk events...so I knock it down slightly. Still time to go obviously.

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11 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

You had less in  15 16  I had a little more in 15 16 than this year so far

I don’t believe so.  I think I had 60”or so that year.  The lack of snow in December/January and the rains made for a terrible winter

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C-. Bookend winters blow, even if I got within an inch or two of climo. For a while there I think my winter rainfall exceeded my snow. Still, we pulled off an epic squall, a strong November event, a frigid Thanksgiving, a double digit snow last week and the first significant ice storm in a long time in January. We damaged trees. If not for the positive bust last week, this would've been a straight F. If we can pull off a sneaky event next week during the PNA spike, maybe this can pull a gentlemanly C. 

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Solid B-, just above average. Maybe a B with a little extra credit. 
The taint storms and not getting a 10"+ storm are my biggest complaints. Pack longevity and early cold we're plusses. I'll give it a B

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