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The Blizzard of the Ides, 2017 ...observation time

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OSUmetstud

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I know I was discussing quebec with organizing low earlier.  Quite the gradient near the death band just south of downtown Montreal. 

 

 

1. SNOWFALL SUMMARY IN CENTIMETRES

 

* LAURENTIANS: 15 TO 25

* LACHUTE-ST-JEROME: 45 (OKA)

* MONT-TREMBLANT: 12 TO 15

* LANAUDIERE: 10 TO 20 IN THE EAST, 40 IN REPENTIGY

* MONTREAL/LAVAL 38 (PET AIRPORT), 47 (DOWNTOWN), 73 (SAINT-HUBERT),

68 (BELOEIL)

* VAUDREUIL/RICHELIEU VALLEY: 50 TO 75

* DRUMMONDVILLE-BOIS-FRANCS: 60 TO 70

* EASTERN TOWNSHIPS: 35 TO 60

* QUEBEC CITY: 30-50

* CHARLEVOIX: 40 (MASSIF)

* MAURICIE: 15 TO 20

* LAURENTIANS WILDLIFE RESERVE: 34

* SAGUENAY-EAST (MONT-EDOUARD): 30

* TEMISCOUATA: OVER 30

* KAMOURASKA-RIMOUSKI: 16 TO 20

* GASPE PENINSULA: 20

* GASPESIE PROVINCIAL PARK: 18 TO 20

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eekuasepinniW

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3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Warm Eek or cold Eek? Saw the news reports, max winds?

Warm.  My anemometer got 43mph from the relatively tame looking gusts earlier in the afternoon.  The wild gusts seemed to stay at tree-top height and only got measured as 20-25 mph along the waterfront.  The fact that Brian got 49 with his under-measuring equipment makes me feel pretty confident in saying 60-65mph.  

I couldn't get a window open in time to hear the gusts, so that's a bummer.  Volume is my preferred way to estimate wind, since cold white pine limbs don't move very much.  The twitter video that was posted earlier is pretty neat, that pine just looks like a statue tipping over.

1 minute ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Post damage pics

I'll take my camera with me on the way to the dentist tomorrow morning.  

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1 hour ago, Whineminster said:

As great as these big storms are, is rather a 50" pack gained by all under 10" events.

 

Who got the most in NY State?

 

And VT folks keep those pics coming I love it....I want to ski this weekend!!!!

Bring your sleds up. Grooming is happening as we speak. 

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Ginx snewx

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7 minutes ago, J.Spin said:

Event totals: 32.8” Snow/1.82” L.E.

 

Details from the 7:00 P.M. Waterbury observations:

 

New Snow: 2.4 inches

New Liquid: 0.10 inches

Snow/Water Ratio: 24.0

Snow Density: 4.2% H2O

Temperature: 20.3 F

Sky: Snow (2-15 mm flakes)

Snow at the stake: 25.0 inches

Only you guys can have two and a half inches of snow and have your depth decrease

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3 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Only you guys can have two and a half inches of snow and have your depth decrease

 

Yeah, with its current weight and unsettled state, the only way this snowpack can increase in overall depth right now is if it snows hard enough to outpace the rate of settling.

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eekuasepinniW

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Just saw this explaining Metrocast's regionwide outage:

"Multiple uprooted trees pulled down poles and cut our fiber facilities on Middle Route, off State Route 107," he said.

"A second incident occurred when a fire in a manhole damaged a third-party's facilities which connect MetroCast to a Boston Internet peering center."

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2 hours ago, Whineminster said:

As great as these big storms are, is rather a 50" pack gained by all under 10" events.

 

Who got the most in NY State?

 

And VT folks keep those pics coming I love it....I want to ski this weekend!!!!

Some areas between ALB and BGM forecast areas got 35-40". That's probably the highest totals for synoptic snows. The northern greens will get the most overall if you include the upslope after the storm...but I usually consider that cheating for an actual storm total.  It's almost two events. It's like when SYR reported 43" for the Superstorm when a bunch of that was LES on the backside. I always heard that total referenced and they made it sound like it was the actual storm total from the coastal itself and not backside enhancement from lake. I remember when I actually found out like 20"+ was from lake effect, I felt misled, lol. It was deflating because I had always envisioned them under this synoptic death band that drops 40"+ and then found out that wasn't true. 

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2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Some areas between ALB and BGM forecast areas got 35-40". That's probably the highest totals for synoptic snows. The northern greens will get the most overall if you include the upslope after the storm...but I usually consider that cheating for an actual storm total.  It's almost two events. It's like when SYR reported 43" for the Superstorm when a bunch of that was LES on the backside. I always heard that total referenced and they made it sound like it was the actual storm total from the coastal itself and not backside enhancement from lake. I remember when I actually found out like 20"+ was from lake effect, I felt misled, lol. It was deflating because I had always envisioned them under this synoptic death band that drops 40"+ and then found out that wasn't true. 

Will wouldnt a lot of that been the same synoptic snow that was over BGM with this one?  

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2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Some areas between ALB and BGM forecast areas got 35-40". That's probably the highest totals for synoptic snows. The northern greens will get the most overall if you include the upslope after the storm...but I usually consider that cheating for an actual storm total.  It's almost two events. It's like when SYR reported 43" for the Superstorm when a bunch of that was LES on the backside. I always heard that total referenced and they made it sound like it was the actual storm total from the coastal itself and not backside enhancement from lake. I remember when I actually found out like 20"+ was from lake effect, I felt misled, lol. It was deflating because I had always envisioned them under this synoptic death band that drops 40"+ and then found out that wasn't true. 

Hartwick had 48 on Cocorahs according to BGM. BVT just reported 30.1 at 8pm

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

Sorry I wasn't clear lol.  The syr total in 93.  The banding that was over BGM during this storm...moved northwestward toward SYR.  

Oh yeah. A lot of it was. It was impressive but I think the synoptic total was still "only" around 2 feet in SYR. I remember we examined the storm closely in college and when combing over the obs and data found that they had a bit of a gap in the snowfall and the LES round was pretty clearly demarcated by the NW winds and a resuming of heavy snow obs. 

 

The best synoptic snow in the superstorm actually ended up being a little bit east of SYR anyway in the Catskills and Poconos and then arcing north to areas near Lake placid and NW of Plattsburgh. But obviously it was still pretty sick. Even as far west as near ROC had 20"+ from synoptic. 

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2 minutes ago, eekuasepinniW said:

Kind of a bummer to think I'll probably never get a 30-40" storm here.  I can't even imagine that much at once.

Despite all the juiced up storms over the last decade, my biggest total in my 31 years at this location remains just 21".

What did you get in Feb and Mar 2001?

And I think we can pull off 30" if the banding pans out just right. 

The old Franklin COOP had 35" of snow on 4/12-13/1933 at 32-33F. He even added that it was "blue snow". I have no idea what that system was like. He had over 30" in Feb 69 too.

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2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Oh yeah. A lot of it was. It was impressive but I think the synoptic total was still "only" around 2 feet in SYR. I remember we examined the storm closely in college and when combing over the obs and data found that they had a bit of a gap in the snowfall and the LES round was pretty clearly demarcated by the NW winds and a resuming of heavy snow obs. 

 

The best synoptic snow in the superstorm actually ended up being a little bit east of SYR anyway in the Catskills and Poconos and then arcing north to areas near Lake placid and NW of Plattsburgh. But obviously it was still pretty sick. Even as far west as near ROC had 20"+ from synoptic. 

ahh very good.  The BGM to Utica area is very impressive with this one, maybe even more impressive than 93 because of the much slower movement.  I think BUF and ROC will end up with a top 10 too, but that was a lot of lake enhancement, also.  

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Just now, OSUmetstud said:

ahh very good.  The BGM to Utica area is very impressive with this one, maybe even more impressive than 93 because of the much slower movement.  I think BUF and ROC will end up with a top 10 too, but that was a lot of lake enhancement, also.  

Yeah that UCA (or maybe RME since UCA is decommissioned?) to BGM to BTV/PLB banding was amazing yesterday and last night. Took forever to finally fizzle. Much longer than model guidance had it. But that is one reason the deformation is always fun. Often models just underdo it in so many ways...intensity, duration, and width of coverage, etc. 

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

I know I was discussing quebec with organizing low earlier.  Quite the gradient near the death band just south of downtown Montreal. 

 

 

 

1. SNOWFALL SUMMARY IN CENTIMETRES

 

 

 

* LAURENTIANS: 15 TO 25

 

* LACHUTE-ST-JEROME: 45 (OKA)

 

* MONT-TREMBLANT: 12 TO 15

 

* LANAUDIERE: 10 TO 20 IN THE EAST, 40 IN REPENTIGY

 

* MONTREAL/LAVAL 38 (PET AIRPORT), 47 (DOWNTOWN), 73 (SAINT-HUBERT),

 

68 (BELOEIL)

 

* VAUDREUIL/RICHELIEU VALLEY: 50 TO 75

 

* DRUMMONDVILLE-BOIS-FRANCS: 60 TO 70

 

* EASTERN TOWNSHIPS: 35 TO 60

 

* QUEBEC CITY: 30-50

 

* CHARLEVOIX: 40 (MASSIF)

 

* MAURICIE: 15 TO 20

 

* LAURENTIANS WILDLIFE RESERVE: 34

 

* SAGUENAY-EAST (MONT-EDOUARD): 30

 

* TEMISCOUATA: OVER 30

 

* KAMOURASKA-RIMOUSKI: 16 TO 20

 

* GASPE PENINSULA: 20

 

* GASPESIE PROVINCIAL PARK: 18 TO 20

 

thanks for posting this, glad they got some reports out of the vaudreuil richelieu valley, thats the region i was interested in the most

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1 hour ago, JKEisMan said:

Point taken. The gradient in that area can be pretty dramatic. Anyway, long time lurker, first time poster.  Really enjoy the analysis and discussion on this board.

Agree. I say it often, WCT has a very tight gradient. You can go from 30" to 70" yearly avg in under 40 miles, say Norwalk to New Milford. Often times dxr is right on the edge of storms. This winter Has been the exception though, both the Dec swfe event and Feb mini blizz, this area was in the comfy zone at good lead times. Yesterday too, for like 7 days straight....then we know what happenned. But it has been a decent winter with two 14" events, ive hit my avg......would be nice to get into the mid 60s for a final but I dont see it happening

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8 minutes ago, dendrite said:

What did you get in Feb and Mar 2001?

And I think we can pull off 30" if the banding pans out just right. 

The old Franklin COOP had 35" of snow on 4/12-13/1933 at 32-33F. He even added that it was "blue snow". I have no idea what that system was like. He had over 30" in Feb 69 too.

The 21" was the 2/5/01 storm.  The march storm I don't remember at all, so it was probably something big but not epic, like 15"

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1 hour ago, OSUmetstud said:

I know I was discussing quebec with organizing low earlier.  Quite the gradient near the death band just south of downtown Montreal. 

 

 

 

1. SNOWFALL SUMMARY IN CENTIMETRES

 

 

 

* LAURENTIANS: 15 TO 25

 

* LACHUTE-ST-JEROME: 45 (OKA)

 

* MONT-TREMBLANT: 12 TO 15

 

* LANAUDIERE: 10 TO 20 IN THE EAST, 40 IN REPENTIGY

 

* MONTREAL/LAVAL 38 (PET AIRPORT), 47 (DOWNTOWN), 73 (SAINT-HUBERT),

 

68 (BELOEIL)

 

* VAUDREUIL/RICHELIEU VALLEY: 50 TO 75

 

* DRUMMONDVILLE-BOIS-FRANCS: 60 TO 70

 

* EASTERN TOWNSHIPS: 35 TO 60

 

* QUEBEC CITY: 30-50

 

* CHARLEVOIX: 40 (MASSIF)

 

* MAURICIE: 15 TO 20

 

* LAURENTIANS WILDLIFE RESERVE: 34

 

* SAGUENAY-EAST (MONT-EDOUARD): 30

 

* TEMISCOUATA: OVER 30

 

* KAMOURASKA-RIMOUSKI: 16 TO 20

 

* GASPE PENINSULA: 20

 

* GASPESIE PROVINCIAL PARK: 18 TO 20

 

The area between the border crossing at Highgate, VT and Montreal is so flat that I bet the drifting is tremendous. I should take a Ginx windblown snow tour up there. Lol

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52 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Some areas between ALB and BGM forecast areas got 35-40". That's probably the highest totals for synoptic snows. The northern greens will get the most overall if you include the upslope after the storm...but I usually consider that cheating for an actual storm total.  It's almost two events. It's like when SYR reported 43" for the Superstorm when a bunch of that was LES on the backside. I always heard that total referenced and they made it sound like it was the actual storm total from the coastal itself and not backside enhancement from lake. I remember when I actually found out like 20"+ was from lake effect, I felt misled, lol. It was deflating because I had always envisioned them under this synoptic death band that drops 40"+ and then found out that wasn't true. 

I agree with you.  I'll count it as a storm total because it really hasn't stopped snowing...its again 1"/hr at home, even if it only lasts a couple hours... but in the end, the synoptic scale snow was one thing (huge for the BTV area and Champlain Valley, plus mtns) and then the meso-scale snows (again huge for BTV and the western slopes into the Greens) are another.  Its not a good comparison to certain areas that don't see those meso-scale effects.  That is if you are trying to analyze the synoptic precipitation distribution.

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