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Mid to Long Term Discussion 2017


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UKMet looks pretty good at 144.  Stronger low over E Canada than 00z GFS at the same time with stronger polar energy dropping into it over C Canada.  Wish the Euro had this look.  Hard to say what would happen with the timing of the wave rounding the bin there in California....overall we haven't taken a step back tonight in my mind

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2 minutes ago, mackerel_sky said:

Para really is horrible, compared to the other models,with verification! We should only like it when it shows good, like the UKMET!

No it's not. Verification scores from October through late November had it outperforming GFS and tied with the Euro. 

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1 minute ago, snowlover91 said:

GEFS doesn't look good. Quite a few cutters and rain it seems based on P-Type panels. 

Based on the analysis others have presented here, it looks very unlikely that we get anything significant east of RDU so now I am just interested in the cold air.

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1 minute ago, cbmclean said:

Based on the analysis others have presented here, it looks very unlikely that we get anything significant east of RDU so now I am just interested in the cold air.

 

Still plenty of time for this to change for the better. I wouldn't worry about the rain/snow line until we are within 120 hours. If by then models indicate NC is out of the game then it'll be time to look for the next system. With this being 156-204 hours out there is plenty of time for changes to happen. UK has done well this winter and may give us a clue what to expect from the Euro and GFS in future runs. 

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6 minutes ago, griteater said:

The ensemble members have been pretty stingy overall over the past few days

 

Still a good ways to go but with winter storms of past years you generally want 10+ GFS members on your side and a good 30+ Euro members at this range to have a legit shot of something. It will change a lot the next few days but early indications point towards a snow/ice event for areas to our N and W as has been the theme all winter. 

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Also of note... models typically trend warmer as we get closer to events not colder. Sometimes they do in CAD situations but when we are waiting for the cold to arrive it's almost always slower than modeled. With a marginal setup as is currently modeled that doesn't bode well for snow/ice chances. 

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It's a prolonged overrunning event again, multiple weak sfc lows running along the SE coast.  Snow in VA into the NW NC mtns....system gets colder as it goes along so changeover to snow for the rest of the mtns down into N GA and Bama...a little out east of the mtns as well....would be a doozie with a little more cold push.  Euro is diving the northern stream energy into the wave out west so it's keeping that sfc high too far west

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1AM WPC Discussion...

FINALLY FINISHING UP WITH NEXT THURS/FRI... ADDITIONAL SHORT WAVE DYNAMICS DIG FROM BRITISH COLUMBIA INTO THE NW AND SHOULD BE A KICKER TO DRIVE ENERGY OVER THE GREAT BASIN/FOUR CORNERS REGION DOWNSTREAM. THE UNCERTAINTY REVOLVES AROUND THIS BATCH OF UPPER DYNAMICS... AS SOME SOLUTIONS KEEP THIS ENERGY INTACT... WHILE OTHERS SHEAR THE SYSTEM OUT. THIS IS RATHER IMPORTANT... AS THE ARCTIC COLD FRONT GENERALLY STALLS ACROSS FL INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO AND MOISTURE COULD BEGIN TO OVERRUN INTO THE THEN ESTABLISHED COLD SECTOR OVER THE EAST/SOUTH. THE MORE AMPLIFIED SOLUTIONS MEANS MOISTURE EASILY REACHING THE COLD SECTOR FOR A POSSIBLE EXPANSIVE AREA OF FROZEN PRECIP... WHILE THE SHEARED-OUT SOLUTIONS MEANS A SUPPRESSED SOLUTION OF MAINLY RAIN AND NOT OF MUCH MOISTURE SPREADING NORTHWARD. THIS LATE WEEK SCENARIO WILL EVOLVE OVER THE NEXT WEEK BUT BEARS WATCHING.

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2 hours ago, griteater said:

UKMet looks pretty good at 144.  Stronger low over E Canada than 00z GFS at the same time with stronger polar energy dropping into it over C Canada.  Wish the Euro had this look.  Hard to say what would happen with the timing of the wave rounding the bin there in California....overall we haven't taken a step back tonight in my mind

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Add Euro to the comparison at hr144

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6z GFS was overall very similar to 0z except further south and with even less overall accumulation across the board. (But more in E NC)

Wonder if this will end up trending back into a stronger, more consolidated system as we get closer? Need to tread lightly however between stronger storm with possible higher accumulations that could cut vs a weaker wave with less accumulation but with less chance to cut.

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1 hour ago, Jonathan said:

6z GFS was overall very similar to 0z except further south and with even less overall accumulation across the board. (But more in E NC)

Wonder if this will end up trending back into a stronger, more consolidated system as we get closer? Need to tread lightly however between stronger storm with possible higher accumulations that could cut vs a weaker wave with less accumulation but with less chance to cut.

As other have said we just want the storm signal at this range. We want the overall pattern to be able to produce a storm. Details should be looked at within 5 days.  

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