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1 minute ago, CyclonicFury said:

FV3 has done well but the Tidbits clown maps need an upgrade. 

It seems that when the p-type was snow and it was below freezing (making close to 10:1) it was actually very close. Some of those huge outputs (over 2" in the piedmont) was more tied to the higher QPF that was originally being forecasted. 

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15 hours ago, YetAnotherRDUGuy said:

A lot of whining for an event in early friggin December.

Fuquay is always jealous of Raleigh. Which is envious of Durham ( in regards to snow—not anything else) which is jealous of Hillsborough and Roxboro, and Burlington,which in turn—is envious of GSO. Of which, the gate city is envious of WS, which is usually jealous of Wilkesboro, of whom typically looks to Boone and wishes their snow totals were more like theirs:

This applies to locales in SC as well—along with pretty much anything related to weather, and a lot of things that aren’t. 

TL;Dr, if your mad, reset your expectations, and realize that chances are—someone is going to have more snow than you most of the time. 

Also, I respect kvegas for speaking his mind about not wanting a foot of snow and in the future. Even though I completely disagree with the entire point he was trying to make. The fact that someone in the SE may actually be pulling AGAINst getting a foot of snow makes me reconsider the entire fabric of what makes our universi functional.

 

 

 

 

Your logic if flawed for Clemson, SC. You can pick any city out of a hat in Alabama/GA/SC/NC and they have had a bigger snow in the last 25 years than here.

Since 1988 the biggest single snowfall event in Clemson, SC was 5.75 inches on 1/11/2011. Second biggest snowfall in that time period is less than 4 inches.

So in Summary, I'm not just jealous of Asheville, NC. I'm jealous of Columbia, Augusta, Atlanta, Macon, Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Birmingham, Athens, Columbus, Charlotte, etc.etc.etc.

 

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4 hours ago, FallsLake said:

You live in a good "zone". I remember you did well last year in that early January storm; whereas I got about an inch. Then we both did well in the late January storm. Folks south and east of Raleigh have missed out the last few years. I feel (in my bones) that's going to change this year; a coastal plain blizzard is in order.

Can I quote you on that? We'll see how this ages over time..  :drunk::whistle:

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9 minutes ago, Waiting on snow said:

No CAE has the honor of being the epic screwzone. They haven't had snow at all in 5 years.

Except they got 8.6 inches in feb 2010. The only event in history where the northern extent of precip was not under modeled... screwing the upstate.

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So true, I feel the pain in Pendleton. I'm not sure if location in regards to the mountains and blocking a cold air source is more the cause or the manmade lakes warming the Upper Savannah River Valley a crucial degree or two.

Would be interested to see if one could decouple other variables and see if the manmade lakes have caused a drop in snowfall since their creation. May not have anything to do with it, just a thought.

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3 hours ago, Waiting on snow said:

No CAE has the honor of being the epic screwzone. They haven't had snow at all in 5 years.

 

3 hours ago, burrel2 said:

Except they got 8.6 inches in feb 2010. The only event in history where the northern extent of precip was not under modeled... screwing the upstate.

He said in the last FIVE years burrel... Hell, get more snow than CAE

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6 hours ago, burrel2 said:

Your logic if flawed for Clemson, SC. You can pick any city out of a hat in Alabama/GA/SC/NC and they have had a bigger snow in the last 25 years than here.

Since 1988 the biggest single snowfall event in Clemson, SC was 5.75 inches on 1/11/2011. Second biggest snowfall in that time period is less than 4 inches.

So in Summary, I'm not just jealous of Asheville, NC. I'm jealous of Columbia, Augusta, Atlanta, Macon, Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Birmingham, Athens, Columbus, Charlotte, etc.etc.etc.

 

I'm sorry man. I had no idea.

I don't pretend to be an expert on SC climo, but I know enough to be genuinely surprised by this.

Not even Feb 2014?? Actually I took a quick glance at that, and it looks like that was E of you.

Nor Jan 96?

Not even 93?

Ugh

 

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7 hours ago, burrel2 said:

Your logic if flawed for Clemson, SC. You can pick any city out of a hat in Alabama/GA/SC/NC and they have had a bigger snow in the last 25 years than here.

Since 1988 the biggest single snowfall event in Clemson, SC was 5.75 inches on 1/11/2011. Second biggest snowfall in that time period is less than 4 inches.

So in Summary, I'm not just jealous of Asheville, NC. I'm jealous of Columbia, Augusta, Atlanta, Macon, Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Birmingham, Athens, Columbus, Charlotte, etc.etc.etc.

 

Let me preface this by saying this would be true of anywhere, but I think it's very true of the upstate. If you haven't lived here, it's hard to appreciate just how strange the climate can be from county to county and town to town.

There is something about the western upstate (west of Spartanburg) and NEGA that makes it really hard to get a good snowfall, despite having several ingredients you would normally consider good for snowfall relative to the rest of the upstate. The counties of Oconne, Pickens, and Greenville are closest to the mountains, slightly higher elevations, among the farthest North in the state, and many times the coldest in the state. The elevaton changes cause some oddities and many outlying areas are significanly colder at night that the urban areas, even though those are generally colder than other urban areas of the state. Being in Easley, I am generally 5-10 degrees colder than Greenville on clear nightsjust tonight I left DT at 39 degrees and it was 31 when I arrived at my house 20 minutes later. But this isnt true when systems come through. 

Despite these apparent advantages, the western upstate routinely fares worse in winter storms than eastern, and sometimes even southern, upstate locales. The onyl systems that come to mind that we have fared better on were Jan 87, Jan 88, and Jan 2011; all of which were cold snowsorms where we werent waiting on cold or timing. We also did better on March 93 (and Jan 96), but that was simply a placement factor, below us was mix to rain. Most other big storms for our area resulted in either a min for the wetsern upstate or a complete skip. This storm, last Dec storm, Jan last year, March 2017, Feb 2014, Feb 2004 (2 feet eastern upstate flurries western) 2003 (CLT 10 inches, western upstate 2-3), Jan 2000 (aka Carolina Crusher - flurries here), the list goes on and on, from year to year. We're too far north for southern sliders (1973, 1989, last year CHS coastal snow), too far West for coastal snows and Noreaters (generally), not high enough for Miller B and apps runners, too far west for CAD events without a crazy warm nose, too far east for TN valley snows that get MS/AL/GA/TN/NC. We typically get the most rainfall throughout the year due to mtn proximity, but suffer dryslots in winter setups. Were typically colder/cooler 95% of the time but suffer warmnoses worse than anybody. Look at a list of largest snowfalls in SC history and Greenville/Pickens/Oconee cities are behind. Rock Hill, Florence, Columbia, Spartanburg, Gaffney have all had larger snowfalls, including many smaller towns across the state. Heck, even MYB had like 12-14 form the 89 storm. 

Here are a couple reasons why I think all this is true. We have taller mtns on the NNE, N, NW, W, and even WWS. This creates a lower lying pocket ( though still higher than the rest of the upstate) that makes it very difficult for CAD and CAA to penetrate. CAA coming over the mtns either results in downslope warming, or skips over us to other points in the upstate outside the eddy area the mtns create (similar to the eddy effect in a river except here the air skips over the immediate lee, cooling areas further away from the pocket). In CAD situations lke this last one; the cold takes too long to work this far SW (or never does) but is colder in eastern upstate, and for longer, so they get more snow. In Miller Bs we have too much downslope warming and the darn warmnose, that is much worse here than N,NE, or East of us. We also are in the perfect min area for many coastal transfer setups- we lose the energy from the original low as it approaches and the coastal low takes over. So we don't get as much as areas further west because of the loss of energy, but then we miss out on the energy from the new coastal low as well, that places farther east get in on. And within the western upstate are areas that perform even worse realtive to the rest of it; with Clemson being one of them.

This is a great place to live for many reasons, but it is an incredibly frustrating place to live for winter weather lovers, even compared to the rest of the upstate, let alone NC.    

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6 hours ago, Waiting on snow said:

No CAE has the honor of being the epic screwzone. They haven't had snow at all in 5 years.

CAE can be somewhat of a screwzone, but some of this stuff is overplayed.  Columbia has had snow in the past 5 years.  There's been snow (nothing measurable) a couple times during the past two winters.  It's going on 5 years since Columbia has had any measurable snow, though.  

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2 hours ago, Orangeburgwx said:

 

He said in the last FIVE years burrel... Hell, get more snow than CAE

You may have gotten more last winter.  But on average or say in the past 10 years........  Not at all.  

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Is there a good site showing a detailed history of CAE snowfall? Their NOAA site only has the monthly CF6 info for the past five years but I don't see anything beyond that or an overview of monthly historical snowfall. The GSP NOAA site has historical monthly snowfall charts for AVL, CLT, and GSP. 

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11 minutes ago, Iceagewhereartthou said:

Is there a good site showing a detailed history of CAE snowfall? Their NOAA site only has the monthly CF6 info for the past five years but I don't see anything beyond that or an overview of monthly historical snowfall. The GSP NOAA site has historical monthly snowfall charts for AVL, CLT, and GSP. 

I'm kinda familiar with several timeframes and dates, but gonna hit the hay.  I may be able to help guide you.

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While It sucks being just south of 85 in the upstate, we do at least get a couple inches when places throughout NC get absolutely smoked. It could be worse. A little further to my south is Greenwood SC and their climo is probably as bad or worse than Miami Florida

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20 hours ago, YetAnotherRDUGuy said:

I'm sorry man. I had no idea.

I don't pretend to be an expert on SC climo, but I know enough to be genuinely surprised by this.

Not even Feb 2014?? Actually I took a quick glance at that, and it looks like that was E of you.

Nor Jan 96?

Not even 93?

Ugh

 

Nope, 3 inches of slop in 93, and a little under 3 inches in 96.

Oddly enough the 2nd biggest snowfall I have ever measured was 4 inches on the nose and it was a dinky clipper system that hit at daybreak in the late 90's. I got maxima'd under a little band for a couple hours and picked up 4 inches while most other places in the upstate got an inch or two. I was living in Walhalla at the time for this storm, Clemson only got an inch or so.

For that event, I can name you 20 events where we have gotten absolutely screwed. The two classic examples of places due South of here getting way more snow than I've ever seen would be February 2004, March 1, 2009, and Feb 2010.  

February 2004 probably stung the worst of them all.  I got a freaking DUSTING from that storm...

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32 minutes ago, burrel2 said:

And yea... February 2014 sucked just as bad every other storm here.

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That area definitely appears to have it's own micro climate. I still would rather live there than CAE. Going 5+ years without measurable snow, relentless heat and humidity, 95-100 every single day from June through September. Even lines of thunderstorms break up before reaching CAE. Not the place to be unless heat and humidity is your thing.

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I grew up in the lower part of the Upstate (Clinton, Laurens, Greenwood) and I remember growing up and getting shafted compared to the Northern counties. Now I live in the northern Upstate (Taylors) and though we definitely get more measurable snow events, since living up here I’ve seen counties to our north and east rack up (not so much to our west, because the western Upstate has some sort of all consuming snow pit where snow goes to die). I know I should be grateful for what we get, but at the same time I’m so salty about it.

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Nope, 3 inches of slop in 93, and a little under 3 inches in 96.
Oddly enough the 2nd biggest snowfall I have ever measured was 4 inches on the nose and it was a dinky clipper system that hit at daybreak in the late 90's. I got maxima'd under a little band for a couple hours and picked up 4 inches while most other places in the upstate got an inch or two. I was living in Walhalla at the time for this storm, Clemson only got an inch or so.
For that event, I can name you 20 events where we have gotten absolutely screwed. The two classic examples of places due South of here getting way more snow than I've ever seen would be February 2004, March 1, 2009, and Feb 2010.  
February 2004 probably stung the worst of them all.  I got a freaking DUSTING from that storm...
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Ohhhhh that map hurts. I’d be so mad!


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4 hours ago, burrel2 said:

Nope, 3 inches of slop in 93, and a little under 3 inches in 96.

Oddly enough the 2nd biggest snowfall I have ever measured was 4 inches on the nose and it was a dinky clipper system that hit at daybreak in the late 90's. I got maxima'd under a little band for a couple hours and picked up 4 inches while most other places in the upstate got an inch or two. I was living in Walhalla at the time for this storm, Clemson only got an inch or so.

For that event, I can name you 20 events where we have gotten absolutely screwed. The two classic examples of places due South of here getting way more snow than I've ever seen would be February 2004, March 1, 2009, and Feb 2010.  

February 2004 probably stung the worst of them all.  I got a freaking DUSTING from that storm...

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This map is absolutely brutal. Spartanburg gets 10-12, while Greenville gets 2-4..

I see the dusting-2 you referenced.

I'd be bitter as sin if that happened to me. Much less multiple events. I hereby walk back my earlier comment on whining, and now realize I have no idea how SC climo works in the upstate.

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1 minute ago, YetAnotherRDUGuy said:

This map is absolutely brutal. Spartanburg gets 10-12, while Greenville gets 2-4..

I see the dusting-2 you referenced.

I'd be bitter as sin if that happened to me. Much less multiple events. I hereby walk back my earlier comment on whining, and now realize I have no idea how SC climo works in the upstate.

And again, this is how it happens over and over in the upstate. This is the norm. Pretty frustrating. 

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4 hours ago, burrel2 said:

And yea... February 2014 sucked just as bad every other storm here.

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With this one, you see not only the west/east cuttoff, but also the north/south downslopping cuttoff. It's amazing what a one thousand foot rise will do (Gville to Hendersonville for example). And you don't often see the same drastic cuttoff in the NC piedmont; sometimes, but not as often or pronounced.

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