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The early speculation on winter 2013-14


weathafella

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Will, can you update this , got it from Eastern

Year.....NAO....BOS snow....ORH snow

2008....+2.8.......65.9"...........76.9"
2000....+4.5.......45.9"...........102.1"
1996....+1.6.......51.9"...........87.5"
1986....+3.6.......42.5"...........93.6"
1983....+2.0.......43.0"...........76.6"
1976....+1.6.......58.5"...........89.0"
1964....+1.2.......50.4"...........62.8"
1958....+1.6.......34.1"...........64.7"
1957....+2.5.......44.7"...........97.5"

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Will, can you update this , got it from Eastern

Year.....NAO....BOS snow....ORH snow

2008....+2.8.......65.9"...........76.9"

2000....+4.5.......45.9"...........102.1"

1996....+1.6.......51.9"...........87.5"

1986....+3.6.......42.5"...........93.6"

1983....+2.0.......43.0"...........76.6"

1976....+1.6.......58.5"...........89.0"

1964....+1.2.......50.4"...........62.8"

1958....+1.6.......34.1"...........64.7"

1957....+2.5.......44.7"...........97.5"

Big snow years with positive NAO?

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where do you get your stats and yea I mistook Sept for Oct, mine shown different than yours for example 208 shows up as Neg

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/norm.nao.monthly.b5001.current.ascii.table

2008-9 wasn't shabby either. The pre-Christmas storm was pretty good. The Martin Luther King Weekend storm was good. And March 2, 2009 was very good.

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where do you get your stats and yea I mistook Sept for Oct, mine shown different than yours for example 208 shows up as Neg

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/norm.nao.monthly.b5001.current.ascii.table

 

 

The sfc pressure method yields some different results than the CPC height method

 

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/datapages/naoi.htm

 

 

There's also the Hurrell page

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2009-10 sucked for the pike northward. Barely got into the good stuff 12/19/09 and a total whiff for the 2 feb events. Rain including up in NNE while NYC got 20 inches for the 1888 redux event in late February. The winter of the elephant.

 And the farther one looks northeast, the worst it got, with the CAR area being the apex of awfulness.

 

That late Feb paradox (mashed potatos then slushy RA on strong NE winds while NYC got hammered) was especially frustrating, as it was about 3F (or 1000' elev) from repeating late Feb 1969, when Farmington got 43".  The three total whiffs on the earlier KUs were much easier to take.

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 And the farther one looks northeast, the worst it got, with the CAR area being the apex of awfulness.

 

That late Feb paradox (mashed potatos then slushy RA on strong NE winds while NYC got hammered) was especially frustrating, as it was about 3F (or 1000' elev) from repeating late Feb 1969, when Farmington got 43".  The three total whiffs on the earlier KUs were much easier to take.

That was true even in New York area.  KNYC went over to snow about 10 hours earlier than I did, on the New York-Connecticut border.  What happened to you in late February1969? And what did you get from February 9-11, 1969?

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2009-10 sucked for the pike northward. Barely got into the good stuff 12/19/09 and a total whiff for the 2 feb events. Rain including up in NNE while NYC got 20 inches for the 1888 redux event in late February. The winter of the elephant.

 

We don't need a repeat of that debacle

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That was true even in New York area.  KNYC went over to snow about 10 hours earlier than I did, on the New York-Connecticut border.  What happened to you in late February1969? And what did you get from February 9-11, 1969?

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In 1969 I still lived in NNJ, and we got about 18" from the Lindsay storm (which made for an interesting 30-mile drive home from Allamuchy scout camp. Glad I had a Beetle.) The late month event developed too far north; we got a very wet couple inches then flurries.

IIRC (records not available at the moment) Farmington got something like 19" from Feb 9-10, and had their biggest snowfall, 43", over 4 days (15",17",8",3") at the end of the month. Feb 1969 recorded 67", their snowiest month easily, and the winter 164", also #1.

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snark alert

In 1969 I still lived in NNJ, and we got about 18" from the Lindsay storm (which made for an interesting 30-mile drive home from Allamuchy scout camp. Glad I had a Beetle.)

I always felt that "Lindsay" was underrreported at KNYC, since many area stations reported 20+ inches. Certainly the impact suggested more than 15.4 inches.

The late month event developed too far north; we got a very wet couple inches then flurries.

I don't remember anything at all from that storm in my area, which was KHPN.

IIRC (records not available at the moment) Farmington got something like 19" from Feb 9-10, and had their biggest snowfall, 43", over 4 days (15",17",8",3") at the end of the month. Feb 1969 recorded 67", their snowiest month easily, and the winter 164", also #1.

I remember that Tuckerman's Ravine near KMWN still have snow in it around mid-August, one of the few times the snow held through the summer there.
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