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I just toyed around briefly with the momentum transfer tool in BUFKIT and at EWR it only maxes out at 45kts to the surface despite having 100kt winds at ~1600 m. Once the winds shift to the southeast tomorrow night there is 70kt winds at 900 hPa yet the momentum transfer is only printing out 27 kts. Is that tool not designed to handle situations like this? (I don't exactly know how it is calculated). It even shows the mixing layer tapping well into those 70+kt jets, so I'm not really sure why it's showing what it is.... seems odd.

Has been the same for locations up and down the coast. It's not quite finding something to transfer to the surface. One would have to assume convective rains will?

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We're having a crew come from Indy, FL, and SFO. Lots of cancellations but one person's flight was moved up to arrive at 830AM. I think that's a low likelihood unless they can turn the plane around quickly.

Jerry just returned from a medical conference in the Sheraton... 50% empty, people either cancelled or flew out early.

Making an effort at to close an eye on IR:

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Traffic was very heavy on I-93 in NH with all the Mass people headed home. I had to get off in CON and head west toward home then. GReat well above normal weekend in the Whites for our hike trip.

Jerry just returned from a medical conference in the Sheraton... 50% empty, people either cancelled or flew out early.

Making an effort at to close an eye on IR:

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Look at the winds for about 800-1,000 feet up...that is often where the gust potential can be quantified with a fairly high confidence.

When you have convection, you can mix deeper into the LLJ...so that is a wildcard. But a quick and simple way to estimate gusts aside from the convection wildcard is looking at those cross sections and seeing what those winds speeds are doing as they dip below 1,000 feet.

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The 00z GFS is alarming for my area. I'm riding this out near Trenton. The combination of sting jet prospects of upper level evaporation and steepening lower lapse rates will also make the right quadrant particularly interesting post-landfall despite the enlarging / non-tropical-like wind field.

Agreed. What do you think for this area? GFS was south but wind fields were exceptionally impressive still/.

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Any minor shifts in the models now are basically irrelevant to the larger scale of impacts for SNE. The only thing that would cause a drastic change is if the models all of the sudden took the storm well out to the east with a wider turn or if they hooked it very early into the Delmarva peninsula. Both scenarios are quite unlikely at this point.

Agreed that the track will not matter very much at all at this point.. but in theory a farther right hook and north landfall would prolong the period of east winds, and lower surface pressures, which would increase surge.

Here's how the models are shaping up so far:

at201218_model_zoom.gif

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For the record...pretty cool:

HURRICANE SANDY

===============

PREFERENCES: 00Z NAM/12Z CANADIAN MONDAY BY DEFAULT

12Z UKMET TUESDAY BY DEFAULT

00Z NAM/18Z GFS WEDNESDAY BY DEFAULT

THE 03Z NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER (NHC) TRACK BEST MATCHES THE

MODELS LISTED ABOVE. THE STANDARDIZED ANOMALIES RELATED TO SANDY

NEAR THE 30TH PARALLEL REMAIN 5-6 SIGMAS BELOW AVERAGE INTO

TUESDAY, STRONGLY SUGGESTING A RECORD EVENT IS UNDERWAY. THE

CLOSEST ANALOG TO THIS EVENT, FROM AN IMPACT PERSPECTIVE FOR NEW

JERSEY AND NEW YORK CITY, IS THE SNOW HURRICANE OF 1804, WHICH HAD

A PRESSURE AT LEAST AS LOW AS 977 HPA. NEW JERSEY'S LAST DIRECT

HURRICANE IMPACT FROM THE SOUTHEAST/OPEN ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS THE

SEPTEMBER 1903 HURRICANE. NEITHER ANALOG IS PARTICULARLY

EFFECTIVE OTHERWISE AS THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY

STRONGER THAN THOSE CASES, EXPECTED TO BREAK ALL-TIME LOW PRESSURE

RECORDS FOR NEW JERSEY AND POSSIBLY NEW YORK CITY, DELAWARE, AND

EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA AS WELL. THE HEAVY SNOW IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR

NEAR WEST VIRGINIA, NOT NEW ENGLAND LIKE IN THE CASES OF THE 1804

SNOW HURRICANE, HURRICANE GINNY (1963), OR HURRICANE NOEL (2007).

SEE THE LATEST ADVISORIES FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

REGARDING SANDY'S TRACK, AS WELL AS WARNINGS AND FORECASTS FROM

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES FROM THE MID-ATLANTIC

THROUGH NEW ENGLAND REGARDING ITS WIND AND OTHER IMPACTS.

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Agreed. What do you think for this area? GFS was south but wind fields were exceptionally impressive still/.

You see the big dry punch that quickly advects in 21z-00z and moves westward toward NY? This comes on the heels of a mid level wind max and will likely focus a very significant band of heavy rain/convection.

I suspect wind gusts exceeding 65 MPH throughout the state will be possible, esp. with this feature.

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It's almost to 70W now based on the loops. We need a definite turn to the NNW quickly to get to the 12Z forecast position.

I'm sure this thing is going to hook west, but I think some of these models are too sharp...can't see a system of this size turning on a dime like that.

yeap, watching the same thing, weird the models all went to SNJ, I still think CNJ is likely.

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For the record...pretty cool:

HURRICANE SANDY

===============

PREFERENCES: 00Z NAM/12Z CANADIAN MONDAY BY DEFAULT

12Z UKMET TUESDAY BY DEFAULT

00Z NAM/18Z GFS WEDNESDAY BY DEFAULT

THE 03Z NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER (NHC) TRACK BEST MATCHES THE

MODELS LISTED ABOVE. THE STANDARDIZED ANOMALIES RELATED TO SANDY

NEAR THE 30TH PARALLEL REMAIN 5-6 SIGMAS BELOW AVERAGE INTO

TUESDAY, STRONGLY SUGGESTING A RECORD EVENT IS UNDERWAY. THE

CLOSEST ANALOG TO THIS EVENT, FROM AN IMPACT PERSPECTIVE FOR NEW

JERSEY AND NEW YORK CITY, IS THE SNOW HURRICANE OF 1804, WHICH HAD

A PRESSURE AT LEAST AS LOW AS 977 HPA. NEW JERSEY'S LAST DIRECT

HURRICANE IMPACT FROM THE SOUTHEAST/OPEN ATLANTIC OCEAN WAS THE

SEPTEMBER 1903 HURRICANE. NEITHER ANALOG IS PARTICULARLY

EFFECTIVE OTHERWISE AS THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY

STRONGER THAN THOSE CASES, EXPECTED TO BREAK ALL-TIME LOW PRESSURE

RECORDS FOR NEW JERSEY AND POSSIBLY NEW YORK CITY, DELAWARE, AND

EASTERN PENNSYLVANIA AS WELL. THE HEAVY SNOW IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR

NEAR WEST VIRGINIA, NOT NEW ENGLAND LIKE IN THE CASES OF THE 1804

SNOW HURRICANE, HURRICANE GINNY (1963), OR HURRICANE NOEL (2007).

SEE THE LATEST ADVISORIES FROM THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER

REGARDING SANDY'S TRACK, AS WELL AS WARNINGS AND FORECASTS FROM

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICES FROM THE MID-ATLANTIC

THROUGH NEW ENGLAND REGARDING ITS WIND AND OTHER IMPACTS.

6 standard deviations is absolutely insane.

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000

URNT12 KNHC 290600

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182012

A. 29/05:08:20Z

B. 34 deg 59 min N

070 deg 38 min W

C. 700 mb 2646 m

D. 46 kt

E. 075 deg 19 nm

F. 138 deg 54 kt

G. 059 deg 57 nm

H. 950 mb

I. 10 C / 3050 m

J. 13 C / 3048 m

K. 9 C / NA

L. OPEN SW

M. C22

N. 12345 / 7

O. 0.02 / 2 nm

P. AF308 2218A SANDY OB 23

MAX FL WIND 102 KT S QUAD 01:03:30Z

MAX OUTBOUND FL WIND 89 KT SW QUAD 05:46:30Z

MAX FL TEMP 15 C 196 / 9 NM FROM FL CNTR

MAX OUTBOUND SFC SFMR WIND 78KTS AT 05:36:30Z

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