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Feb 23-24th Winter Storm Part 2


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MKE television mets suffer epic fail after epic fail. Understand this was all over the place system, but Goddard(sp?) is consistently the worst met on T.V. Every time I look to the boards or to MKE/Sullivan NWS for storm info--the WHOLE GROUP of TV mets in metro MKE call for nothing. Its amazing really...sometimes frustrating.

Oh, having a broadcasting background, I can perfectly understand. I worked master control at a TV station before, and there's nothing quite as funny as watching the "Death Storm" hype overtake the newsroom, especially when their 10" predictions winds up with a total of 3" in reality! A lowly master control tech doesn't hold much clout compared to mister AMS Chief Meteorologist even if we are right, but there's always "I told you so" after the fact! :P

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Tough one for the NWS-DTX/GRR looks like they are waiting to put out a final total report...if at all. Looks like the Detroit area squeaked out the 3" to verify my 3-6 and Lansing/Jackson were in the 4/5 inch range to verify the 4-8" Phew...I'll admit I thought LAN/JXN would be on the high end.

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WOWowow

woke up this morning and saw the delay in snow, and took off for ottawa around 8am.

got in around 11am and the snow was just starting....very mild around 32F and saw the bust in toronto, thought this is going to be nothing

around an hour ago headed out to costco for a minute, saw a band organzinign on radar before i left.....just drove back....insane snow rates out there, must be 3-4+ inches /hr, don't think i've ever seen it snow this hard in ottawa except in march 93 and december 07 storms.

total and complete whiteout, just dumping..couldnt see more than 25 feet driving all the way back, felt like I was in a lake effect zone.

was not expecting this with the lack of cold air around....just shocked!

i have NEVER seen all my north facing windows here at my parents home snowed over completely....i cant see anything.

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DTX snowfall totals:

Storm total snow reports

Location snowfall duration

(inches) (hours) lat Lon

... Bay County...

2 NE Auburn M 1.6 7 43.62n 84.05w

... Genesee County...

Goodrich M 1.4 8 42.92n 83.51w

Linden M 1.5 8 42.82n 83.78w

4 N Burton M 2.0 7 43.05n 83.62w

Flint M 2.6 6 43.02n 83.69w

Rankin M 3.0 8 42.91n 83.75w

2 WSW Grand Blanc M 3.8 13 42.91n 83.66w

Flint M 4.0 13 43.02n 83.69w

... Huron County...

5 NNW Filion M 1.2 6 43.96n 83.04w

Port Hope M 1.3 8 43.94n 82.72w

Port Austin M 2.0 8 44.04n 83.00w

Bad Axe M 2.2 6 43.80n 83.00w

SSE Pigeon M 2.3 24 43.83n 83.27w

Bad Axe M 6.0 12 43.80n 83.00w

... Lapeer County...

2 W Lapeer M 3.4 11 43.05n 83.36w

... Lenawee County...

Morenci M 0.9 8 41.72n 84.22w

Tecumseh M 1.8 8 42.01n 83.94w

5 WNW Adrian M 2.2 24 41.93n 84.13w

3 E Hudson M 2.3 11 41.86n 84.29w

6 ENE Adrian M 2.3 24 41.93n 83.94w

2 WNW Tipton M 4.0 9 42.03n 84.10w

... Livingston County...

Howell M 1.0 8 42.61n 83.94w

Hell M 2.0 11 42.43n 83.99w

... Macomb County...

SSE Shelby Township M 1.5 24 42.67n 83.03w

2 N clintion township M 1.7 24 42.62n 82.92w

Eastpointe M 2.6 8 42.47n 82.96w

... Monroe County...

Monroe M 1.0 9 41.92n 83.39w

3 SW Monroe M 1.6 24 41.89n 83.43w

4 SSE Newport M 1.6 6 41.95n 83.28w

... Oakland County...

4 E White Lake M 1.0 6 42.65n 83.43w

Farmington M 1.0 8 42.46n 83.38w

Pontiac M 1.4 8 42.65n 83.29w

Holly M 1.8 9 42.80n 83.62w

West Bloomfield M 1.8 8 42.57n 83.38w

4 SW Milford M 2.0 24 42.54n 83.66w

Bloomfield Hills M 2.0 6 42.58n 83.25w

3 S Pontiac M 2.3 10 42.60n 83.29w

4 E White Lake M 2.4 13 42.65n 83.43w

Southfield M 3.0 7 42.48n 83.26w

... Saginaw County...

Chesaning M 1.2 8 43.18n 84.12w

5 S Merrill M 1.5 6 43.34n 84.34w

Saginaw M 2.0 9 43.42n 83.95w

1 se Frankenmuth M 2.2 9 43.32n 83.73w

2 E Merrill M 2.2 9 43.41n 84.30w

3 NW Saginaw M 3.0 24 43.45n 83.99w

5 W Saginaw M 3.6 10 43.42n 84.05w

5 E Freeland M 4.0 11 43.51n 84.01w

5 S Merrill M 4.0 14 43.34n 84.34w

5 W Saginaw M 5.0 13 43.42n 84.05w

W Saginaw M 6.3 15 43.42n 83.95w

... Sanilac County...

Sandusky M 1.0 6 43.42n 82.83w

Lexington M 1.5 6 43.27n 82.53w

Marlette M 2.0 8 43.33n 83.08w

... Shiawassee County...

2 NE Corunna M 1.5 6 43.00n 84.09w

Owosso M 1.6 8 43.00n 84.18w

6 WNW Durand M 2.7 24 42.95n 84.10w

Durand M 4.1 9 42.91n 83.99w

2 NE Corunna M 4.2 11 43.00n 84.09w

... St. Clair County...

2 W Port Huron M 1.3 24 42.99n 82.47w

Allenton M 1.3 8 42.92n 82.95w

1 NNW Yale M 2.0 6 43.14n 82.80w

Algonac M 2.0 8 42.62n 82.53w

... Tuscola County...

Vassar M 1.7 8 43.37n 83.58w

Caro M 2.0 8 43.49n 83.40w

... Washtenaw County...

Chelsea M 1.0 10 42.31n 84.02w

Manchester M 1.6 8 42.15n 84.04w

1 W Ann Arbor M 2.0 9 42.28n 83.75w

Milan M 2.0 9 42.09n 83.68w

Saline M 2.0 8 42.18n 83.78w

4 SW Saline M 2.5 10 42.13n 83.84w

Ann Arbor M 2.7 8 42.28n 83.73w

1 se Ann Arbor M 3.1 8 42.27n 83.72w

... Wayne County...

Brownstown Township M 1.0 9 42.15n 83.26w

Grosse Pointe Farms M 1.0 9 42.40n 82.89w

Dearborn M 1.5 10 42.31n 83.21w

3 NE Dearborn M 1.8 8 42.35n 83.17w

Wyandotte M 2.2 8 42.21n 83.16w

3 W Plymouth M 2.5 24 42.37n 83.53w

Romulus M 3.0 8 42.22n 83.37w

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Has the snow melted up to the Wayne County line yet? I'd imagine nothing is left in Monroe and Toledo by now.

Out of our 2.2" snow we now just have a T of snowcover LOL. Just patches in areas where the grass didnt soak it all up. Our temps sat at 34-37F all morning and early afternoon until temps just now started dropping, along with dewpoints as well. Even DTW just a few miles to my west didnt get higher than 34F. All because of where the L tracked. Kudos to the RUC for being the only model to catch onto it, though you cant blame forecasters for not buying it because being too far NW is definitely a RUC bias. I have seen 25.2 inches of snow this season with just 20 days with 1"+ snowcover.

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DTX snowfall totals:

Storm total snow reports

Location snowfall duration

(inches) (hours) lat Lon

... Bay County...

2 NE Auburn M 1.6 7 43.62n 84.05w

... Genesee County...

Goodrich M 1.4 8 42.92n 83.51w

Linden M 1.5 8 42.82n 83.78w

4 N Burton M 2.0 7 43.05n 83.62w

Flint M 2.6 6 43.02n 83.69w

Rankin M 3.0 8 42.91n 83.75w

2 WSW Grand Blanc M 3.8 13 42.91n 83.66w

Flint M 4.0 13 43.02n 83.69w

... Huron County...

5 NNW Filion M 1.2 6 43.96n 83.04w

Port Hope M 1.3 8 43.94n 82.72w

Port Austin M 2.0 8 44.04n 83.00w

Bad Axe M 2.2 6 43.80n 83.00w

SSE Pigeon M 2.3 24 43.83n 83.27w

Bad Axe M 6.0 12 43.80n 83.00w

... Lapeer County...

2 W Lapeer M 3.4 11 43.05n 83.36w

... Lenawee County...

Morenci M 0.9 8 41.72n 84.22w

Tecumseh M 1.8 8 42.01n 83.94w

5 WNW Adrian M 2.2 24 41.93n 84.13w

3 E Hudson M 2.3 11 41.86n 84.29w

6 ENE Adrian M 2.3 24 41.93n 83.94w

2 WNW Tipton M 4.0 9 42.03n 84.10w

... Livingston County...

Howell M 1.0 8 42.61n 83.94w

Hell M 2.0 11 42.43n 83.99w

... Macomb County...

SSE Shelby Township M 1.5 24 42.67n 83.03w

2 N clintion township M 1.7 24 42.62n 82.92w

Eastpointe M 2.6 8 42.47n 82.96w

... Monroe County...

Monroe M 1.0 9 41.92n 83.39w

3 SW Monroe M 1.6 24 41.89n 83.43w

4 SSE Newport M 1.6 6 41.95n 83.28w

... Oakland County...

4 E White Lake M 1.0 6 42.65n 83.43w

Farmington M 1.0 8 42.46n 83.38w

Pontiac M 1.4 8 42.65n 83.29w

Holly M 1.8 9 42.80n 83.62w

West Bloomfield M 1.8 8 42.57n 83.38w

4 SW Milford M 2.0 24 42.54n 83.66w

Bloomfield Hills M 2.0 6 42.58n 83.25w

3 S Pontiac M 2.3 10 42.60n 83.29w

4 E White Lake M 2.4 13 42.65n 83.43w

Southfield M 3.0 7 42.48n 83.26w

... Saginaw County...

Chesaning M 1.2 8 43.18n 84.12w

5 S Merrill M 1.5 6 43.34n 84.34w

Saginaw M 2.0 9 43.42n 83.95w

1 se Frankenmuth M 2.2 9 43.32n 83.73w

2 E Merrill M 2.2 9 43.41n 84.30w

3 NW Saginaw M 3.0 24 43.45n 83.99w

5 W Saginaw M 3.6 10 43.42n 84.05w

5 E Freeland M 4.0 11 43.51n 84.01w

5 S Merrill M 4.0 14 43.34n 84.34w

5 W Saginaw M 5.0 13 43.42n 84.05w

W Saginaw M 6.3 15 43.42n 83.95w

... Sanilac County...

Sandusky M 1.0 6 43.42n 82.83w

Lexington M 1.5 6 43.27n 82.53w

Marlette M 2.0 8 43.33n 83.08w

... Shiawassee County...

2 NE Corunna M 1.5 6 43.00n 84.09w

Owosso M 1.6 8 43.00n 84.18w

6 WNW Durand M 2.7 24 42.95n 84.10w

Durand M 4.1 9 42.91n 83.99w

2 NE Corunna M 4.2 11 43.00n 84.09w

... St. Clair County...

2 W Port Huron M 1.3 24 42.99n 82.47w

Allenton M 1.3 8 42.92n 82.95w

1 NNW Yale M 2.0 6 43.14n 82.80w

Algonac M 2.0 8 42.62n 82.53w

... Tuscola County...

Vassar M 1.7 8 43.37n 83.58w

Caro M 2.0 8 43.49n 83.40w

... Washtenaw County...

Chelsea M 1.0 10 42.31n 84.02w

Manchester M 1.6 8 42.15n 84.04w

1 W Ann Arbor M 2.0 9 42.28n 83.75w

Milan M 2.0 9 42.09n 83.68w

Saline M 2.0 8 42.18n 83.78w

4 SW Saline M 2.5 10 42.13n 83.84w

Ann Arbor M 2.7 8 42.28n 83.73w

1 se Ann Arbor M 3.1 8 42.27n 83.72w

... Wayne County...

Brownstown Township M 1.0 9 42.15n 83.26w

Grosse Pointe Farms M 1.0 9 42.40n 82.89w

Dearborn M 1.5 10 42.31n 83.21w

3 NE Dearborn M 1.8 8 42.35n 83.17w

Wyandotte M 2.2 8 42.21n 83.16w

3 W Plymouth M 2.5 24 42.37n 83.53w

Romulus M 3.0 8 42.22n 83.37w

These can't be the final totals. The 2 inch report from here was from 7AM, it hasn't stopped snowing here all day.

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Tough one for the NWS-DTX/GRR looks like they are waiting to put out a final total report...if at all. Looks like the Detroit area squeaked out the 3" to verify my 3-6 and Lansing/Jackson were in the 4/5 inch range to verify the 4-8" Phew...I'll admit I thought LAN/JXN would be on the high end.

Im sorry dont think the Detroit area verified. 80% of snow fell last night Majority of the area finished with an average 1.5" - 2.5". I know there was a report or two of 3". Its been snowing steady all afternoon i will be lying if i got more then 3" on the ground. A lot of snow melted on contact. I got numerous reports family and friends from a dusting to 2" all across the area. So overall the correct call was 1-3".

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Im sorry dont think the Detroit area verified. 80% of snow fell last night Majority of the area finished with an average 1.5" - 2.5". I know there was a report or two of 3". Its been snowing steady all afternoon i will be lying if i got more then 3" on the ground. A lot of snow melted on contact. I got numerous reports family and friends from a dusting to 2" all across the area. So overall the correct call was 1-3".

If 3" fell, than his forecast verified. Not the prettiest, but still not wrong.

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If 3" fell, than his forecast verified. Not the prettiest, but still not wrong.

One isolated report of 3" when the Majority of the area had 1.5" - 2.5". Does not verify that 3 - 5" call. Im not bashing him because i called 6-7" for mby earlier yesterday so I was way off.

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I think it's subjective. If you are making a forecast for a specific place and give a 3-6" range and 3" falls at that place, then the forecast verified.

If you are making a 3-6" range forecast for a region and the region sees 1-3" then I personally would not consider that verified.

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One isolated report of 3" when the Majority of the area had 1.5" - 2.5". Does not verify that 3 - 5" call. Im not bashing him because i called 6-7" for mby earlier yesterday so I was way off.

Yeah, I agree with you there, but calling it a complete gust when some totals were in his forecast range is not true.

I think it's subjective. If you are making a forecast for a specific place and give a 3-6" range and 3" falls at that place, then the forecast verified.

If you are making a 3-6" range forecast for a region and the region sees 1-3" then I personally would not consider that verified.

Yes. Although that was probably one of the better snowfall forecasts for the area, nobody really saw this much of a NW shift in the last day of forecasting. I posted the RUC at 1 or 2PM yesterday which actually verified better than the other hi-res models at that time, showing very little snowfall for DTW/Ann Arbor etc.

On another note, I ended up with 6 snowflakes this afternoon, while TOL recorded 1" today. Not sure how they did it, but I had rain much of the day here.

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finished with 4.6" snow and 0.87" water.

DAMN! Talk about one hell of a gradient.. S Barrington only ~10 miles north of you had 7.4 inches.. I heard a report of Hoffman Estates w/ ~7.5" as well..

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

923 AM CST FRI FEB 24 2012

0900 AM SNOW 3 S BARRINGTON 42.11N 88.13W

02/24/2012 M7.4 INCH COOK IL TRAINED SPOTTER

Map from 7AM this morning from LOT..

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It has to be.

Maybe Stebo can shed some light on those extra 2 inches?

Yeah. I even find the snowfall of 1.7" before midnight last night to be highly suspect. There's no way they got 1.7" from 0.09" liquid. One of those numbers is obviously wrong, but will it ever get fixed? There wasn't 20:1 ratios. I get annoyed when the data for the big climate sites gets muddled.

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MKE television mets suffer epic fail after epic fail. Understand this was all over the place system, but Goddard(sp?) is consistently the worst met on T.V. Every time I look to the boards or to MKE/Sullivan NWS for storm info--the WHOLE GROUP of TV mets in metro MKE call for nothing. Its amazing really...sometimes frustrating.

This storm actually reinforces my commiseration with mets, especially tv mets. Considering not a single model showed banding setting up NW of Milwaukee, what are the mets supposed to do? They are not psychics; I don't expect them to know where the banding is supposed to set up 12-24 hours in advance or more. It's just not possible when even short range models are abysmal within 24 hours.

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