PottercountyWXobserver Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 It's dead man....thank god...lol. Nice summertime squall line in PA....LOL> That squall line was more intense than 1/4 of our severe weather last summer! Impressive to say the least. And some people keep saying our climate isn't changing There is no way someone could keep a straight face and say our climate isn't changing, it's ludacris. My grandmother was just saying, how she has never seen such an impressive thunderstom at the end of February let alone early March for this location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2001kx Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 thunder / lightning / hail / very heavy rain and wind here now...it feels like a stormy summer night until you poke your head outside into 40 temps.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NortheastPAWx Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Hopefully that line can survive as it heads east... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 KAVP with 0.3" snow today...will finish DJF with 8.8"...man, someone get the climate data. That's got to be up there on the list of lowest met winter snowfalls. No doubt. But it's going to be tough to find any DJF only data. Hardly anyone measures snow that way. Again, the two analogs I see brought up a lot are 1953 and 1956.....those both had quite warm months in March.....and snow April 20. The more I think about it, after snow around Halloween, snow on 4-20 would make perfect sense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 That squall line was more intense than 1/4 of our severe weather last summer! Impressive to say the least. And some people keep saying our climate isn't changing There is no way someone could keep a straight face and say our climate isn't changing, it's ludacris. My grandmother was just saying, how she has never seen such an impressive thunderstom at the end of February let alone early March for this location. Well, many of us were bumped up an agricultural zone. I used to be in Zone 5, now in Zone 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 KAVP with 0.3" snow today...will finish DJF with 8.8"...man, someone get the climate data. That's got to be up there on the list of lowest met winter snowfalls. 1988-89 had 6.2" 1952-53 had 8.4" 1931-32 had 8.0" (15.8" in march) back to 1900-1901 those are the only 3 I see with less than 8.8" for DJF http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-D363ED97-9A94-46A2-BB23-0368C0EBC724.pdf http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-E2C07528-070F-41FB-A5F9-63ECF0C9B557.pdf http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/orders/IPS-EA0FB3F8-F7DC-4A73-8D3E-7132BB98C43C.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 No doubt. But it's going to be tough to find any DJF only data. Hardly anyone measures snow that way. Again, the two analogs I see brought up a lot are 1953 and 1956.....those both had quite warm months in March.....and snow April 20. The more I think about it, after snow around Halloween, snow on 4-20 would make perfect sense this year. the pot heads would love it and probably have a party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 1988-89 had 6.2" 1952-53 had 8.4" 1931-32 had 8.0" (15.8" in march) back to 1900-1901 those are the only 3 I see with less than 8.8" for DJF http://www1.ncdc.noa...368C0EBC724.pdf http://www1.ncdc.noa...3ECF0C9B557.pdf http://www1.ncdc.noa...132BB98C43C.pdf I think all of us, unless we get some kind of fluke storm, will have had a top ten low for snow winter, even with the Oct storm. the pot heads would love it and probably have a party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 After looking up AVP I decided to check others in the state to see where their DJF totals would rank... Harrisburg --- 7.0" DJF 2011-12: 1991-92 --- 6.3" 1994-95 --- 6.7" 1979-80 --- 6.7" 1972-73 --- 6.2" 1937-38 --- 6.5" 1931-32 --- 2.4"!!! 1899-1900 --- 5.2" 1889-90 --- 2.1"!!! Williamsport --- 11.2" DJF 2011-12: 1994-95 --- 8.8" 1991-92 --- 7.9" 1988-89 --- 4.5" 1968-69 --- 9.6" 1943-44 --- 9.5" 1937-38 --- 10.8" 1931-32 --- 4.9" 1905-06 --- 7.6" 1899-1900 --- 5.8" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Well, many of us were bumped up an agricultural zone. I used to be in Zone 5, now in Zone 6. I just did a Google search of zone maps, and while we're generally in zone 6, there is a wide variety of maps that put the zones in slightly different places. They are not all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I think all of us, unless we get some kind of fluke storm, will have had a top ten low for snow winter, even with the Oct storm. No doubt about that... Williamsport currently ranked #2 in least snowy year (july 1 to june 30) at 12.2" (1988-89 7.0" is least, 94-95 curently 3rd at 12.8")... AVP 4th least...Harrisburg 7th least... Havnt looked at any other data today than those 3 sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 After looking up AVP I decided to check others in the state to see where their DJF totals would rank... Harrisburg --- 7.0" DJF 2011-12: 1991-92 --- 6.3" 1994-95 --- 6.7" 1979-80 --- 6.7" 1972-73 --- 6.2" 1937-38 --- 6.5" 1931-32 --- 2.4"!!! 1899-1900 --- 5.2" 1889-90 --- 2.1"!!! Williamsport --- 11.2" DJF 2011-12: 1994-95 --- 8.8" 1991-92 --- 7.9" 1988-89 --- 4.5" 1968-69 --- 9.6" 1943-44 --- 9.5" 1937-38 --- 10.8" 1931-32 --- 4.9" 1905-06 --- 7.6" 1899-1900 --- 5.8" is 7" right for MDT '11-'12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djr5001 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 is 7" right for MDT '11-'12? For just December, January, February yes... 12.5" for year counting October storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Had a nice little T-storm last night. First lightning and thunder of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 For just December, January, February yes... 12.5" for year counting October storm Ok, that makes sense then. Since you looked, what did MDT record for the Oct. event. 5.5"? I thought they recorded almost 9". wth was i thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 5.5, yeah. First report was 9", but it was inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 5.5, yeah. First report was 9", but it was inaccurate. ok, so i wasn't nuts then, i thought i had heard like 9.7 and you know i only had 3 in the grass, none on the road. Now i'm not as pissed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 About 15" here in ship this year. Terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 About 15" here in ship this year. Terrible. 13.25" imby NE Cumberland County..still waiting for the bliz of '12, maybe December? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmsptwx Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 About 11" here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I just did a Google search of zone maps, and while we're generally in zone 6, there is a wide variety of maps that put the zones in slightly different places. They are not all the same. There's just one zone map that matters, it's set by the USDA. Here's an accurate portrayal of the change: http://www.arborday.org/media/map_change.cfm Here's a good interactive map, straight from the source: http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/# The new map is also better due to taking into account factors like urban heat islands. I always tell people, still, if they are on a border to pay attention to local microclimates (meaning, if they get frost more often than nearby locations, play it safe and drop a zone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmister Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 This, folks, is an incredible signal for ensembles to show for a day 11 forecast! Let alone that much agreement on an extreme warmup in the 5-6 day range! Not to mention the amazing consistency over the past several runs. Personally, I can't wait for the warmth! Some average values for 3/12: State College……....44 Altoona……………...44 Harrisburg…………..49 York………………….53 Williamsport………...46 http://climate.met.p...ation/index.php Departures from these averages on 3/12: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennMan Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 There's just one zone map that matters, it's set by the USDA. Here's an accurate portrayal of the change: http://www.arborday..../map_change.cfm Here's a good interactive map, straight from the source: http://planthardines...a.gov/PHZMWeb/# The new map is also better due to taking into account factors like urban heat islands. I always tell people, still, if they are on a border to pay attention to local microclimates (meaning, if they get frost more often than nearby locations, play it safe and drop a zone). Yeah we've been burned more than once by late frosts, as my parents' house is in a small cold pocket at the bottom of a hill. We've lost entire tomato crops as late as May 25th and had to start over. This, folks, is an incredible signal for ensembles to show for a day 11 forecast! Let alone that much agreement on an extreme warmup in the 5-6 day range! Not to mention the amazing consistency over the past several runs. Personally, I can't wait for the warmth! Some average values for 3/12: State College……....44 Altoona……………...44 Harrisburg…………..49 York………………….53 Williamsport………...46 http://climate.met.p...ation/index.php Departures from these averages on 3/12: That looks awesome, let's hope it comes to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlislePaWx Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 After the "cold snap" early next week the GFS says enjoy no precip for the next 10 days along with temps in the 60's. The 12z run earlier today developed an incredible 1040 psudo-bermuda high off north carolina coast that hangs on for days and days. Has anyone ever seen 30.70" high pressure anchored in the western atlantic in early to mid march?? I don't think we'll get into a heat wave with 70's for many days but I am reminded of a particular March in 1989 (if my memory serves me) where temps in northern NJ skyrocketed into the mid 80's on March 15th!! I was actually getting ready to fly down to Florida to visit my parents. It was pretty incredible that the temps in Newark were the same as when I landed in West Palm Beach! March has the unique ability to still produce sub-zero cold (lows at night) and as high as the 80's for highs. Of course, that amazing contrast is what has given us some of our greatest snowstorms of all times ala 1888 and 1993 to name two biggies. At least we can begin to let go of winter now...if we ever really had what you might call winter. My coldest minimum temperature was only 10.4 degrees for the entire season. I'm not sure I've ever lived through a winter where there wasn't even one low temp in the single digits. Truly fascinating and yet somewhat depressing all at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Yeah we've been burned more than once by late frosts, as my parents' house is in a small cold pocket at the bottom of a hill. We've lost entire tomato crops as late as May 25th and had to start over. That looks awesome, let's hope it comes to fruition. The one thing we have on our side is seemingly no CAD. This late week four day "warm spell" of temps well into the 50s has turned into four days of struggling to reach 45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmister Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 After the "cold snap" early next week the GFS says enjoy no precip for the next 10 days along with temps in the 60's. The 12z run earlier today developed an incredible 1040 psudo-bermuda high off north carolina coast that hangs on for days and days. Has anyone ever seen 30.70" high pressure anchored in the western atlantic in early to mid march?? I don't think we'll get into a heat wave with 70's for many days but I am reminded of a particular March in 1989 (if my memory serves me) where temps in northern NJ skyrocketed into the mid 80's on March 15th!! I was actually getting ready to fly down to Florida to visit my parents. It was pretty incredible that the temps in Newark were the same as when I landed in West Palm Beach! March has the unique ability to still produce sub-zero cold (lows at night) and as high as the 80's for highs. Of course, that amazing contrast is what has given us some of our greatest snowstorms of all times ala 1888 and 1993 to name two biggies. At least we can begin to let go of winter now...if we ever really had what you might call winter. My coldest minimum temperature was only 10.4 degrees for the entire season. I'm not sure I've ever lived through a winter where there wasn't even one low temp in the single digits. Truly fascinating and yet somewhat depressing all at the same time. Found the Temps for 3pm 3/15/1989. I was not around yet...I was born about 3 weeks later! But there was an actual March heat wave I remember quite well…These were the 3pm temps from 3/30/1998. Wow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieOber Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 1989 was a wacky spring in UNV - looked it up - several instances of 70s then snow a few days later. Quite a roller coaster. 1998 was a straight run into warmth other than a few brief cold shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternUSWX Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 High risk today. Phew. This spring is going to be nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Tornados all over Indiana now, going to get worse and worse as the afternoon passes. Kentucky NWS says they expect today to pass the April 3, 1974, outbreak. I confirmed my biddy did die in those storms Tuesday, btw. Got caught in a collapsed building. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sauss06 Posted March 2, 2012 Share Posted March 2, 2012 Tornados all over Indiana now, going to get worse and worse as the afternoon passes. Kentucky NWS says they expect today to pass the April 3, 1974, outbreak. I confirmed my biddy did die in those storms Tuesday, btw. Got caught in a collapsed building. :/ Sory to hear about your buddy, sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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