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January 12-14 Potential storm


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Nice system it looks like for us. Idk about these big numbers but looking at the setup I'd take the probably 3-4" for NW Ohio. Btw the NAM is also really bringing the wind in as well, 30 mph for some parts of the storm. Talk about bringing the heat. However its numbers are way higher than others so I'm a little concerned about the strength it's predicting

I'll go 3-7". Even the GFS shows .4" or so while the NAM looks a lot better. Position of the 700mb low puts some good Vertical Velocities over us on Friday morning, so I think 12 or 13:! ratios would be likely. Temps were in the teens all event on the NAM... so could even be a little higher.

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12Z RGM ... long duration snow dump . . . sub 990 in MI

Consensus on a sub 990 low towards the thumb is pretty great, with the model QPF spread over the metro tightly clustered from .4-.6, heaviest east. With the anticipated winds, the eastern portion of LOTs area should have its first warning of the season by this afternoon.

FWIW the HPC model discussion found no major errors with the 12z NAM.

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Some of those GFS ensemble members are really juicy way west of the OP GFS.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL

1038 AM CST WED JAN 11 2012

UPDATE

SOME VERY MINOR ADJUSTMENTS WERE DONE TO THE GOING FORECAST FOR

THIS AFTERNOON. THE FRONT CONTINUES TO MAKE GOOD PROGRESS EASTWARD

BUT THE SFC OBS ARE NOW INDICATING A PRE-FRONTAL TROF AHEAD OF THE

POLAR FRONT.

12Z UA DATA COMPARED TO THE 00Z AND 06Z MODEL RUNS WAS

INTERESTING. THIS SYSTEM IS A BIT STRONGER ALOFT THAN ANY MODEL

SUGGESTS WHICH INDICATES A DEGREE OF NON-LINEARITY TO THE SYSTEM.

THE OVERALL AFFECT IS TO HAVE THE SYSTEM BE A LITTLE SLOWER AND A

BIT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH/WEST WHICH WAS SHOWN WITH THE

INITIALIZATION OF THE 12Z MODELS. SUCH A SLOWING MAY POTENTIALLY

AFFECT THE TIMING OF THE CURRENT HEADLINES TO SOME DEGREE. FURTHER

EVALUATION ON THIS IS NEEDED.

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Pretty remarkable how this storm has unfolded. Two days ago I was barely paying attention to models, expecting a few bursts of snowshowers following the passage of the front. You've gotta love these dynamic, quickly-developing situations as much as the bombs that are decently modeled a week out. The trend sure has been our friend here in northeast IL with this one. What a surprise and great way to kick off the extremely stunted 2012 winter season. I'm glad we've FINALLY got fall behind us.

I don't post regularly here, mostly for storms & threats (I do regularly lurk), but I still can't get over that my first post wasn't until mid-January this season.

Bring on winter!

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Consensus on a sub 990 low towards the thumb is pretty great, with the model QPF spread over the metro tightly clustered from .4-.6, heaviest east. With the anticipated winds, the eastern portion of LOTs area should have its first warning of the season by this afternoon.

FWIW the HPC model discussion found no major errors with the 12z NAM.

yep...and enough wealth spread to make a nice hwy to tap into the candian briskness going forward...

watcing the system unfold. . .interested to see where pressures get handed off to...some variance in those solutions...implications on enhancement, the deform dump, duration...etc.

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AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

1037 AM CST WED JAN 11 2012

DISCUSSION

1034 AM CST

MORNING UPDATE...

12Z WRF-NAM AND GFS GUIDANCE APPEAR TO BE CONSISTENT WITH

EARLIER RUNS WITH RESPECT TO LARGE SCALE FEATURES ASSOCIATED WITH

LOOMING WINTER STORM. 12Z WRF ACTUALLY A LITTLE HIGHER WITH QPF

AMOUNTS THAN ITS 06Z COUNTERPART. IN ANY CASE...MODELS DEPICT A

VIGOROUS DIGGING UPPER TROUGH WHICH CLOSES OFF ACROSS THE AREA

THURSDAY MORNING. STRONG DEEP ASCENT NOTED IN GUIDANCE TIME/HEIGHT

SECTIONS THROUGH THE DAY...WITH COMBINATION OF STRONG HEIGHT

FALLS...LEFT EXIT OF CYCLONICALLY CURVED UPPER JET STREAK AND VERY

STRONG LOW LEVEL BAROCLINICITY ALL AIDING IN PRODUCTION OF DEEP

LARGE-SCALE FORCING. CURRENT QPF FORECASTS AND THERMALLY DERIVED

SNOW/LIQUID RATIOS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SNOWFALL AMOUNTS IN THE 4-8

INCH RANGE...PERHAPS EVEN A LITTLE HIGHER IN SOME SPOTS WHERE LAKE

ENHANCEMENT OCCURS.

ALL OF THE CONCERNS NOTED BY MIDNIGHT SHIFT REMAIN VALID WITH

RESPECT TO HEADLINES AT THIS POINT. WHILE SNOWFALL AMOUNTS MAY BE A

LITTLE SHORT OF WARNING CRITERIA (6 INCHES/12 HOURS...8 INCHES/24

HOURS)...COMBINATION OF GUSTY 25-35 MPH WINDS CAUSING REDUCED

VISIBILITY AND BLOWING AND DRIFTING OF SNOW AND WIND CHILLS FALLING

INTO THE SINGLE DIGITS WILL CERTAINTLY CAUSE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS

THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT. AT THIS TIME WILL MAINTAIN WATCH

HEADLINE...THOUGH IF ADDITIONAL 12Z GUIDANCE CONTINUES TO SUPPORT

EXPECTED SCENARIO WILL STRONGLY CONSIDER UPGRADING TO

WARNING/ADVISORY EARLY THIS AFTERNOON.

RATZER

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just issued:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LINCOLN IL

1059 AM CST WED JAN 11 2012

...FIRST SIGNIFICANT SNOWFALL OF THE SEASON ON THE WAY...

.A STRONG UPPER-LEVEL DISTURBANCE WILL TRACK ACROSS THE REGION ON

THURSDAY...BRINGING SHARPLY COLDER CONDITIONS AND WIDESPREAD SNOW.

THE SNOW WILL BEGIN ACROSS THE ILLINOIS RIVER VALLEY BY AROUND 6

AM...THEN WILL SPREAD EASTWARD TO THE INDIANA BORDER TOWARD MIDDAY.

THE SNOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE DAY THURSDAY BEFORE GRADUALLY

TAPERING OFF TO FLURRIES THURSDAY NIGHT. TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS WILL

BE HIGHEST ALONG AND NORTH OF THE I-74 CORRIDOR...WHERE 3 TO 5

INCHES WILL BE LIKELY. AMOUNTS WILL DECREASE FURTHER SOUTH...WITH

1 TO 2 INCHES EXPECTED SOUTH OF I-70. IN ADDITION...GUSTY

NORTHWESTERLY WINDS WILL CREATE CONSIDERABLE BLOWING AND DRIFTING

SNOW. AS A RESULT...DRIVING CONDITIONS THURSDAY AND THURSDAY NIGHT

WILL BECOME QUITE HAZARDOUS.

ILZ038-043>046-052>057-061>063-066>068-071>073-112100-

/O.NEW.KILX.WW.Y.0001.120112T1500Z-120113T1500Z/

MCLEAN-DE WITT-PIATT-CHAMPAIGN-VERMILION-CHRISTIAN-MACON-MOULTRIE-

DOUGLAS-COLES-EDGAR-SHELBY-CUMBERLAND-CLARK-EFFINGHAM-JASPER-

CRAWFORD-CLAY-RICHLAND-LAWRENCE-

INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BLOOMINGTON...NORMAL...CHAMPAIGN...

URBANA...DANVILLE...TAYLORVILLE...DECATUR...CHARLESTON...

MATTOON...SHELBYVILLE...EFFINGHAM...FLORA...LAWRENCEVILLE

1059 AM CST WED JAN 11 2012

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 9 AM THURSDAY TO 9 AM

CST FRIDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LINCOLN HAS ISSUED A WINTER

WEATHER ADVISORY FOR SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM

9 AM THURSDAY TO 9 AM CST FRIDAY.

* TIMING...SNOW WILL DEVELOP ALONG THE I-55 CORRIDOR BY AROUND 9

AM...THEN WILL SPREAD EASTWARD TOWARD THE INDIANA BORDER BY

MIDDAY. THE SNOW WILL CONTINUE THROUGHOUT THE DAY...BEFORE

GRADUALLY TAPERING OFF TO FLURRIES THURSDAY NIGHT.

* ACCUMULATIONS...TOTAL ACCUMULATIONS OF 3 TO 5 INCHES ARE

EXPECTED ALONG AND NORTH OF I-74...WITH 1 TO 3 INCHES FURTHER

SOUTH ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF THE AREA.

* WIND...NORTHWESTERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE ON THURSDAY...WITH

GUSTS EXCEEDING 30 MPH DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

* IMPACTS...SNOW COVERED AND ICY ROADS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP FOR

THE AFTERNOON COMMUTE. AS THE SNOW CONTINUES AND WINDS

INCREASE...BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW WILL CREATE HAZARDOUS

DRIVING CONDITIONS INTO THURSDAY NIGHT. IN ADDITION...WIND CHILL

READINGS WILL DROP INTO THE SINGLE DIGITS BY THURSDAY NIGHT.

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GFS stinks, but it's more in tune with climo. I cannot think of an accumulating snow event for YYZ unfolding like how the RGEM/NAM depict.

Normally I would agree with this, but NWS Buffalo in their morning AFD discounted the 00z run of the GFS last night because it's simply too progressive in a complex atmospheric situation in the Great Lakes region. When you have the NAM, RGEM, UKMET and ECMWF all indicating a stronger secondary wave, it's hard to side with the GFS. Today's 12z ECMWF will be an important run.

Either the GFS will score a major coup or it will bust big time (or be forced to catch up with the other models).

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Trends continues to improve, stronger, wetter, south, longer. Of particular note is the duration which is key to realizing heavy amounts without a real moisture connection. When you combine the dynamics of a rapidly developing low, deep DGZ, duration and increasing model consensus on .5+ QPF (omg at the 0z gfs mean)......my initial call was too low. Revised IMBY call for 8.5".

99% chance that magnificent Illini win is influencing my call...still smiling.

:o again.

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Pretty remarkable how this storm has unfolded. Two days ago I was barely paying attention to models, expecting a few bursts of snowshowers following the passage of the front. You've gotta love these dynamic, quickly-developing situations as much as the bombs that are decently modeled a week out. The trend sure has been our friend here in northeast IL with this one. What a surprise and great way to kick off the extremely stunted 2012 winter season. I'm glad we've FINALLY got fall behind us.

I don't post regularly here, mostly for storms & threats (I do regularly lurk), but I still can't get over that my first post wasn't until mid-January this season.

Bring on winter!

Yeah fall overstayed its welcome. Fall has lasted so long that plants and trees think it's spring already! Buds have been reportedly popped open and tulips are coming up! Boy are they in for a shock!

Bring on the snow!

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Barring something kooky from the 12z Euro, I think I'll ride these calls. Maybe a bit conservative in spots, but I'm not jumping on the wet NAM...model consensus rules.

IND: 1-3"

LAF: 2-4"

IKK: 3-5"

ORD: 5-7"

MDW: 6-8"

MKE: 6-8"

I would agree.. Thought I think IND should be T-2"..

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