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I think a harsh reality for all of us each winter is that the weather we are pre-conditioned on throughout Dec, Jan and Feb many years ago has now shifted 2-3 states north for all of the reasons you’ve listed. I’ve lived in the foothills my whole life and we haven’t had a true NC foothills winter that I grew up on in a long time. It resembles how I’d view a Georgia winter as a kid. Likewise, for folks in SC and Georgia, they’re really leaning on the side of infrequency. The woes go further north too. That NC foothills winter near and dear to my heart is the new reality of areas like DC and Baltimore. It’s all built into perspective and I myself struggle adjusting to that. I guess it makes all snows that much more special in the future.

Snow totals from the storm. https://www.qsl.net/n2sln/stormtot25122002.html

One of the early 90s great winters came close to wire to wire. Every time it warmed up it was brief with a cold front with squalls ending it. Will probably remembers the year, I want to say 93-94.

The resemblance to last year is uncanny, the torches are getting rug pulled. Remember when it was supposed approach 70 yesterday?

Imagine tomorrow night's system but with the same level of cold anomaly compared to December's or January's average.

Nam anyone ?

I saw Josh's post on Facebook. He got into the inner eyewall of Melissa with a lowest pressure of 927 mb. He has a detailed analysis of it if you wish to read it. The storm slacked just enough to claim he hit the edge of the eye.

28.6 currently

This is really hard to measure so hard to say the magnitude of the impact. It probably played some role. It was hard to really amplify ridges over the Rockies last winter. I’m sure there was a level of poor “luck” involved too in the sub-synoptic wavelengths.

I think we got 8-9” out in Suffolk. That backend really blew up and crushed us. I was driving to and from JFK and saw the rain/snow line.

The following morning:

My family couldn't believe it also. I was forecasted to get just a dusting. Ended up with 5 inches.

Yes, but wasn’t the PAC jet virtually a destructive influence for every significant winter storm chance we had? My wife almost lost it after having to clean more snow off her car after work today. Some of her coworkers live at lower elevation and haven’t seen anything this fall. I told her that’s how we know we picked the right location. WXW2 has nearly reached my abysmal 2024-25 total in less than two weeks time.

Here's my honest to Christ opinion: If Brian Hartline isn't the hire, or maybe Joe Brady from the Bills, it needs to be Terry Smith. Terry has the endorsement of many of the Letterman, which will have a say in this process after two non-Paternoites in charge of the program over the last 14 years, as he himself is a Paternoite, a Letterman, played in the League, and has children who repeated (Justin King). The players that are there currently seem to be playing hard for him, and there has been progress offensively since Smith decided it was time to throw the ball downfield. You give Smith two years and enough money to make sure he doesn't work after the job because he's a lifer and deserves it. It allows the carousel to cool down because all firing Franklin did was get a ton of dudes paid and if you don't get a bigger hire than the dude you fired, you just give Smith two years and see what happens.

Region 4. Looks basin-wide

Look at Region 1 & 2

The Vogtle costs reflect the super long construction time, punctuated by the bankruptcy of Westinghouse, the reactor designer. Vogtle is the only nuclear power plant built in the US in the past two decades, so a good part of the workforce was not nuclear experienced, which resulted in mistakes. Imho, the work force issue is the primary road block to any nuclear renaissance in the US. Perhaps we could import the workers from China, as we did for building the railroad through the rockies.

Down to freezing here already. Coldest night of the season so far?

So our snowiest month and we saw 8.4” at BDL in ‘71. DIT would be saying what he was saying in 14-15…nickels and dimes, and complaining to high heaven.

There was some sleet mixed in with the rain tonight. Temps in the upper 30's.

70-71 was exceptional for its almost wall to wall snow cover, and long running cold. But if it were to repeat at this day and age, this board would be filled with complaints of the lack of any true biggies! Lots more light to moderate events with a couple of +10" storms across CT... Feb. 1971 only saw 8.4" at BDL... December 70 was great month with 27", but only 1 big event.

The point is wire to wire does not exist in SNE. They’re always a melt out, or a mild up, and/or a rain event. Mid December to mid March… with nothing but cold and snow the whole way…? Give me a break. And if there is one of those..there’s probably only one, since records have been kept anyway.

What does that mean ? We can’t evaluate winters that we weren’t born yet? Can I not evaluate the great wire to wire 60’s winters because I was born in 1972?

Thank you. I don’t think they exist either. He was talking like they do exist. They don’t.

You weren’t even born.