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this is a different animal though..qpf abounds in places that have been in the hole per the current models. problem is with no blocking and a modified air mass can this thing take a more favorable track along or just off the coast. as it stands now there could be some wet snow west of the fall line, and much more west of that. i guess the ensembles are some good news, although at this time frame i would focus on the pattern. the GFS in previous runs showed a weaker storm, offshore track giving modest snows to I95 and east. But also that High over Quebec stayed anchored there, and that looked rather suspect.

Damn. Hard to disagree.

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We've already events with blocking and locked-in highs and super -NAOs. They all sucked. Time for something different.

yeah, like a classic Miller A maybe? it was so easy last winter. and none of those storms had mixing issues/rain unless you were right at the coast.

not that they were all classic miller A storms last winter...just how easy it was to get snow versus this winter.

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yeah, like a classic Miller A maybe? it was so easy last winter. and none of those storms had mixing issues/rain unless you were right at the coast.

not that they were all classic miller A storms last winter...just how easy it was to get snow versus this winter.

Well, the southern stream was juiced last winter so with the blocking pressing down, those loaded vorts would get "stuck" under the block and smash us. Now, they get all sheared out and squished by the hyper northern stream. IMO, our only legit shot at real snow is to ease off on the blocking and hope for a good track. Those pining for more mega-blocking must not want any snow, because we have already had that plus some good tracks and got nothing.

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I'd sure feel more comfortable with a nice 50 50 low in place like we had last year. The lack of that feature is going to make this storm a thread the needle deal for those wanting all snow. That said, anyone saying they think it will be frozen versus snow changing to rain is kidding themselves. This early it's impossible to know.

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you are such an idiot. and i do believe ,ive had way more snow than you this year, not that that matters. you are as bad as they come as far as a snow weenie. and pretty good with the personal attacks. TROLL.

But he is kinda right. I'm not going to call you a troll, but I do remember your consistently pessimistic (and wrong) calls on Eastern.

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People seem overly nervous about mixing. We generally don't get big snowstorms (outside of a perfect pattern only Wes could dream up) without folks SE of I-95 and south of DC seeing substantial mixing.

How many times do you think Psu will tell we're gonna mix or "have trouble" as if we didn't know this and then say his area looks ok.

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I'd sure feel more comfortable with a nice 50 50 low in place like we had last year. The lack of that feature is going to make this storm a thread the needle deal for those wanting all snow. That said, anyone saying they think it will be frozen versus snow changing to rain is kidding themselves. This early it's impossible to know.

Actually wes, I don't think anyone on this thread is banking on all frozen or all snow. Just noting that those saying all rain are premature as well.

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But he is kinda right. I'm not going to call you a troll, but I do remember your consistently pessimistic (and wrong) calls on Eastern.

pessimistic to some, objective to others. and i rarely if ever made "calls". just observations. i don't know enough to make forecasts, but i simply don't wishcast, thats all.

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I'd sure feel more comfortable with a nice 50 50 low in place like we had last year. The lack of that feature is going to make this storm a thread the needle deal for those wanting all snow. That said, anyone saying they think it will be frozen versus snow changing to rain is kidding themselves. This early it's impossible to know.

But we still think it will be different this time . . . :arrowhead:

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Well, the southern stream was juiced last winter so with the blocking pressing down, those loaded vorts would get "stuck" under the block and smash us. Now, they get all sheared out and squished by the hyper northern stream. IMO, our only legit shot at real snow is to ease off on the blocking and hope for a good track. Those pining for more mega-blocking must not want any snow, because we have already had that plus some good tracks and got nothing.

that works better for places NW of the cities. Living in Westminster for 10 years, you can get big snows there with marginal cold and easterly winds when the high slides off as long as the storm doesn't go inland. that doesn't work for the coastal plain, low level E or SE winds will warm the boundary layer every time.

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We already had storms this winter with super blocking and mega-cold. They also had good tracks. They still sucked. A snow to rain event might be the best we can do.

Agreed. Maybe one of the smart guys here can list winter storms that brought snow to the I-95 corridor from RIC on north that did indeed thread the needle. That would give me hope.

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I asked this in an earlier thread but don't remember if it was answered. Weather53 used to have a rule of thumb with marginal temp events by looking at the strength and locatation of a high to the northeast. Wasn't it a 1030H in Quebec w/ north winds at the surface here just prior to precip onset?

I just want focus on thermal profile and feature placement as we move closer. Eventually I'll be able to make some sort of call outside of model hugging.

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Grabbed a nugget from our southern friends

The 12z NAM is a little further west with the 5H versus 6z runs, over Mt/Idaho. It is starting to look like the initial s/w is going to slow down and be the catalyst for the incoming Plains trough. It should stall the line of precip and begin to develop a low around the northern Gulf later Monday, and thats the low that is very slow to develop waiting on the energy from the 5h to capture it. This would spell a big, slow wallop of a Winter storm in areas that are cold enough, on both sides of the Apps, but west of the Apps at first. With such strong divergence and transfer of energy, the snow would really fly and expand over Ark, Tennessee and southern KY, maybe even n. Miss. and N. Alabama. And the models probably aren't handling the digging right just yet since they all have the strong confluence zone in the Northeast, usually that is a sign that models adjust south later on.

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errrr...

Station ID: KMRB Lat:   39.40 Long:   77.98                                                        
GFS Model Run:  0Z 21JAN 2011
 HR Valid     2m Tmp 2m Dpt 10m Dir 10m Spd TPrcp CPrcp 1000-500 500mb 850mb 500mb  MSLP  TCC PRS WX  Low      Middle     High     Max    Min  Sfc
               Deg F  Deg F   deg      kt    in.   in.     Thk    GPH   Tmp   Tmp    mb    %  TEXT   Clouds    Clouds    Clouds    Tmp    Tmp  Vis
  0 01/21 00Z   31     30     151       3    0.04  0.00    536    545   -6.2 -20.6 1010.7   0          CLR       CLR       CLR    ****   ****  1.5
  6 01/21 06Z   31     31     235       7    0.08  0.00    531    535   -5.6 -24.5 1004.8 100 -SN   014BKN064 119OVC217 231BKN309   32     30  0.5
 12 01/21 12Z   21     18     290      15    0.00  0.00    520    527  -12.5 -23.6 1008.5  57 -SN   073SCT088 136SCT183    CLR      31     21  4.9
 18 01/21 18Z   18      8     300      18    0.00  0.00    519    528  -18.6 -24.4 1012.0  42       036SCT052    CLR       CLR      20     18 20.0
 24 01/22 00Z   14      6     297      14    0.00  0.00    520    532  -19.3 -24.0 1016.4  74 -SN   037BKN055    CLR       CLR      18     14 20.0
 30 01/22 06Z   11      4     308      10    0.00  0.00    519    532  -17.0 -26.5 1018.4  46       034FEW048 182FEW222 222SCT293   14     11 20.0
 36 01/22 12Z    9      3     288       3    0.00  0.00    517    531  -15.9 -27.3 1018.8  66          CLR    170SCT215 228BKN285   11      9 20.0
 42 01/22 18Z   19      4     326       4    0.00  0.00    517    530  -14.2 -29.4 1016.5  40          CLR       CLR    220SCT265   19      9 20.0
 48 01/23 00Z   11      5       8       3    0.00  0.00    518    530  -12.0 -29.3 1016.4   1          FEW       CLR       CLR      20     11 20.0
 54 01/23 06Z   13      6     225       5    0.00  0.00    519    531  -13.1 -26.6 1016.5  25       063SCT091    CLR       CLR      13     10 20.0
 60 01/23 12Z   15      9     271       6    0.00  0.00    521    535  -16.1 -25.3 1017.6  71 -SN   055BKN073    CLR       CLR      15     13 10.7
 66 01/23 18Z   20      8     309      13    0.00  0.00    521    538  -17.4 -26.3 1021.0  39 -SN   037SCT056    CLR    225FEW287   20     15 20.0
 72 01/24 00Z   14      9     324       7    0.00  0.00    520    540  -16.6 -28.2 1026.3  45       039FEW050 201FEW223 223SCT272   21     14 20.0
 78 01/24 06Z    9      5       4       4    0.00  0.00    519    540  -14.5 -28.6 1028.7  78          CLR    157BKN208 223BKN262   15      9 17.0
 84 01/24 12Z    8      1      58       3    0.00  0.00    518    541  -13.3 -29.9 1031.3  67          CLR    121SCT216 222SCT257    9      8 20.0
 90 01/24 18Z   17      1     119       3    0.00  0.00    520    543  -10.5 -29.8 1029.5  56       051FEW111 113SCT193    CLR      17      8 20.0
 96 01/25 00Z   12      2      94       3    0.00  0.00    522    545   -8.8 -28.5 1030.6  10       062FEW084    CLR       CLR      19     12 20.0
102 01/25 06Z   11      2     117       2    0.00  0.00    524    547   -6.1 -27.5 1030.8  28       097FEW109 178FEW208 228FEW282   13     10 20.0
108 01/25 12Z   13      8     132       2    0.01  0.00    525    549   -5.3 -27.4 1030.2  91 -SN   063BKN109 132BKN198 225BKN285   13     11  6.1
114 01/25 18Z   25     16     151       3    0.01  0.00    528    549   -4.0 -27.3 1026.9  96 -SN   042BKN076 127BKN225 225BKN278   25     13 10.9
120 01/26 00Z   21     19     108       3    0.01  0.00    530    551   -3.4 -26.4 1026.6  94 -SN   035SCT099 174BKN211 227BKN269   27     20  1.0
126 01/26 06Z   23     22      61       2    0.01  0.00    534    553   -1.6 -23.5 1024.5  90 -SN   024BKN070 157FEW185 230SCT324   24     20  0.5
132 01/26 12Z   23     22      24       8    0.02  0.00    537    553   -0.9 -20.6 1018.6  99 -SN   010BKN074 168BKN229 236BKN360   23     23  0.5
138 01/26 18Z   30     30       9      14    0.33  0.00    540    548    0.8 -18.3 1009.2 100 FZRN  007BKN103 129BKN229 232OVC362   31     23  0.5
144 01/27 00Z   32     31     342      16    0.67  0.00    541    542   -0.2 -18.6  999.8 100 SN    007BKN115 115OVC227 229OVC343   32     30  0.5
150 01/27 06Z   33     32     317      18    0.35  0.00    538    537   -1.3 -19.3  998.6 100 RA    022BKN114 117OVC192 232BKN328   33     32  0.7
156 01/27 12Z   25     24     308      17    0.06  0.00    534    536   -1.8 -23.7 1003.0  83 -SN   043BKN111 116BKN160 253BKN312   33     25  2.3
162 01/27 18Z   28     26     308      18    0.00  0.00    530    534   -4.2 -25.1 1004.6  60       039FEW048 152FEW197 228SCT291   28     24  7.9
168 01/28 00Z   23     22     306      10    0.00  0.00    528    534   -9.2 -25.0 1007.7  97          CLR    180SCT216 224OVC291   29     23  6.0
174 01/28 06Z   18     16     306       6    0.00  0.00    526    532   -9.0 -26.9 1008.7  84          CLR    181BKN223 223BKN264   23     18  5.3
180 01/28 12Z   15     13     310       5    0.00  0.00    521    530   -9.8 -29.8 1011.2  64          FEW    159BKN218 221SCT250   17     14  6.3

I'll take my chances with that. Is that available for KOKV?

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I'd sure feel more comfortable with a nice 50 50 low in place like we had last year. The lack of that feature is going to make this storm a thread the needle deal for those wanting all snow. That said, anyone saying they think it will be frozen versus snow changing to rain is kidding themselves. This early it's impossible to know.

How is it impossible to know wes. how many non frozen possibilities are there, rain??? what else??? I dont get your statement??? Thanks.

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