October 2026 general discussion

[Damage In Tolland]

22 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Will Atlanta see a frost before you?

It’s amazing how some of these people get so angry and upset about fake cold. Never ceases to amaze the tantrums and anger it generates. A real phenomenon 

[H2Otown_WX]

46 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

It’s amazing how some of these people get so angry and upset about fake cold. Never ceases to amaze the tantrums and anger it generates. A real phenomenon 

I agree with you here, rad cooling is fake cold. Especially when today is going to be like +15 or whatever for the high

[WinterWolf]

Fake heat at night…I like that. That’s what we’ll use.  

And unless today is going to be 74 degrees…it won’t be +15 above. 

[Damage In Tolland]

14 days straight no rain , another 7 until we maybe get some.. heading out to water the garden !

[WinterWolf]

5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

14 days straight no rain , another 7 until we maybe get some.. heading out to water the garden !

Keep her going….   K&R Extended season farmers market. 

[OldSkool]

19 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

14 days straight no rain , another 7 until we maybe get some.. heading out to water the garden !

Watering your cabbage?

[Brewbeer]

I think he means his grass

[Lava Rock]

64f. Feels like san diego

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[WinterWolf]

1 hour ago, H2Otown_WX said:

I agree with you here, rad cooling is fake cold. Especially when today is going to be like +15 or whatever for the high

You silly.  Is Elevated snow fake snow?  I mean in that situation…it’s only cold above a certain level. 

[dendrite]

Snow above 2kft is fake. @powderfreakwould even agree. 

[WinterWolf]

13 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Snow above 2kft is fake. @powderfreakwould even agree. 

Nothing is fake…but I think we all get the point.  Whatever it’s doing in your area/backyard at any given moment isn’t fake.  

[H2Otown_WX]

33 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

You silly.  Is Elevated snow fake snow?  I mean in that situation…it’s only cold above a certain level. 

I don't think that's an apples to apples comparison. I'm just saying when it's 35 for 2 hours on a late October morning with +8-9C 850s, that isn't cold like when you have a truly cold airmass overhead.

[Torch Tiger]

fake warmth today . 

[powderfreak]

54 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

You silly.  Is Elevated snow fake snow?  I mean in that situation…it’s only cold above a certain level. 

 

45 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Snow above 2kft is fake. @powderfreakwould even agree. 

Everything I see is fake.

Fake cold from radiational cooling, fake snow from upslope or lake effect.

Not even sure what’s real anymore.

[powderfreak]

21 minutes ago, H2Otown_WX said:

I don't think that's an apples to apples comparison. I'm just saying when it's 35 for 2 hours on a late October morning with +8-9C 850s, that isn't cold like when you have a truly cold airmass overhead.

This is such a weird discussion, lol.

No one is saying it’s deep cold.  But when your car is frozen solid in the morning and you are scraping ice or warming it up, it’s just a weird way of phrasing it.

As Tip said, temperature is temperature.

When there’s CAD or icing, no one is like well it’s fake cold because it’s warm at 9,000ft.

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

This is such a weird discussion, lol.

No one is saying it’s deep cold.  But when your car is frozen solid in the morning and you are scraping ice or warming it up, it’s just a weird way of phrasing it.

As Tip said, temperature is temperature.

When there’s CAD or icing, no one is like well it’s fake cold because it’s warm at 9,000ft.

THIS! 

[WinterWolf]

36 minutes ago, H2Otown_WX said:

I don't think that's an apples to apples comparison. I'm just saying when it's 35 for 2 hours on a late October morning with +8-9C 850s, that isn't cold like when you have a truly cold airmass overhead.

It is exactly apples to apples!  Nothing is fake if it’s at your house.  If your car battery dies because it is 22 degrees…no matter what the temp is 1500 FT up, is the dead battery fake?   Will you be able to tell the battery, hey battery good one,  good fake out, now go ahead and start my car?     You see, Theres the point.   
 

Is the TOR that blew your house down fake, cuz the town next to you didn’t get a TOR?  Temp is temp. Snow is snow. Rain is rain. TOR is TOR.   
 

If Kevin is shoveling 4”, and I’m seeing through translucent slush that’s a 1/4”  inch thick…is his fake snow?  
 

And finally…if we tied your bare ass to a tree, and kept you out in the 23 degree cold, all night long, and your nuts were the size of peas when the sun came up, would you call that fake cold, because 1500ft above your head it was 45 degrees?  Would that make any difference whatsoever to your frozen ass tied to that tree?  

[Damage In Tolland]

36 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

This is such a weird discussion, lol.

No one is saying it’s deep cold.  But when your car is frozen solid in the morning and you are scraping ice or warming it up, it’s just a weird way of phrasing it.

As Tip said, temperature is temperature.

When there’s CAD or icing, no one is like well it’s fake cold because it’s warm at 9,000ft.

I think the point has been  missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases 

[weatherwiz]

Radiational cooling is a very real meteorological phenomenon. Besides the very low sun angle at high latitudes to virtually no sun (above the horizon) near the polar latitudes, radiational cooling is a big player in cold temperatures. In fact, its ultimately radiational cooling which leads to the establishment of the cool season Arctic/Polar airmasses. Nothing fake about it 

[WinterWolf]

5 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I think the point has! Been missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases 

But The term fake is ridiculous. Period. We all understand the concepts. But the term is horrible. And makes people sound ignorant. 

[WinterWolf]

6 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Radiational cooling is a very real meteorological phenomenon. Besides the very low sun angle at high latitudes to virtually no sun (above the horizon) near the polar latitudes, radiational cooling is a big player in cold temperatures. In fact, its ultimately radiational cooling which leads to the establishment of the cool season Arctic/Polar airmasses. Nothing fake about it 

Yes. Absolutely.   Should we call that fake?  Of course not.  Excellent point. 

[WinterWolf]

8 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I think the point has! Been missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases 

There is no fake environments though…that’s what we are trying to get across.  These are actual meteorological processes….nothing fake there. 

[weatherwiz]

Just now, WinterWolf said:

Yes. Absolutely.   Should we call that fake?  Of course not.  This is the point. 

Yup.

The cold which materializes within the Arctic/Polar regions isn't coming from Santa or his elves, its a byproduct of prolonged radiational cooling. 

[Typhoon Tip]

35 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

 

Everything I see is fake.

Fake cold from radiational cooling, fake snow from upslope or lake effect.

Not even sure what’s real anymore.

...And AI has all of humanity living in a simulation apparently ...  

sign of the times, man.  sign of the times

[powderfreak]

7 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I think the point has! Been missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases 

In your example, I'd argue its cold at night and hot during the day.  If you are sleeping out in the desert, you really don't care why it is what it is.  So you are saying it's fake cold and fake heat?

I also get it from the standpoint of you living on a hill top... people saying its cold and you are still growing vegetables. That's going to get a response that this isn't real.

I mean, I can be standing up at the picnic tables and it's breezy and 55F while it's frosty and 28F in the valley almost 4,000ft below... its just weather, that's how it happens.  It's been happening in mountain valleys since the dawn of time... whether it's in Yellowstone or Jackson Hole, or in a hollow of CT.

[Typhoon Tip]

17 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

I think the point has! Been missed this whole time. . It is fake because it is not a cold airmass. It drops because of low dew points and dry air, just as it warms rapidly . A great example is the desert. It may drip into the 30’s/40’s, but rises to 90’s/100’s. Is that a cold airmass or a hot airmass? No it’s a fake environment in both cases 

This is incorrect logic in the empirical sense of reality. 

For human sensible recognition, when it is 35 it is cold.  When it is 95, it is hot.

in our example of the desert, the air mass is cold a night, hot during the day.   The point that is being missed is that it is the same air mass getting to a cold or hot state.

If an air is always hot or always cold, than THAT is THAT air mass. 

The temperature is a physical representation of the average kinetic motion of the molecules and atoms.   It is not fake. It is an empirical measurement of state. 

[Damage In Tolland]

6 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

There is no fake environments though…that’s what we are trying to get across.  These are actual meteorological processes….nothing fake there. 

The airmass is not real . It’s not a cold airmass . A cold airmass stays cold during the day and doesn’t have 40 degree diurnals. Folks need to try to understand that 

[powderfreak]

Just now, Typhoon Tip said:

This is incorrect logic in the empirical sense of reality. 

For human sensible recognition, when it is 35 it is cold.  When it is 95, it is hot.

in our example of the desert, the air mass is cold a night, hot during the day.   The point that is being missed is that it is the same air mass getting to a cold or hot state.

If an air is always hot or always cold, than THAT is THAT air mass. 

The temperature is a physical representation of the average kinetic motion of the molecules and atoms.   It is not fake. It is an empirical measurement of state. 

I wrote the same thing as the bolded.  It can be hot at one point and cold at another point, all in 24 hours.  Or is the argument that we just take the average temperature?  Like the average temperature is 60F, but it's 30F at night and 90F by day.  That average temperature is fairly useless in that scenario... it hits 60F for 15 minutes at like 10am and again at 6pm.

[Damage In Tolland]

4 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

This is incorrect logic in the empirical sense of reality. 

For human sensible recognition, when it is 35 it is cold.  When it is 95, it is hot.

in our example of the desert, the air mass is cold a night, hot during the day.   The point that is being missed is that it is the same air mass getting to a cold or hot state.

If an air is always hot or always cold, than THAT is THAT air mass. 

The temperature is a physical representation of the average kinetic motion of the molecules and atoms.   It is not fake. It is an empirical measurement of state. 

Whoosh right over the top of ye dome . No one is saying the temp at the ground isn’t really happening. If it says 32, it is 32. But if it rises to 70 that afternoon, that airmass is not real and is not cold . It’s a fake cold 

[WinterWolf]

2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

The airmass is not real . It’s not a cold airmass . A cold airmass stays cold during the day and doesn’t have 40 degree diurnals. Folks need to try to understand that 

You’re lost on this bud…..that’s laughable.  You missed the whole idea.  But whatever.