ILoveWinter Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 21 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Insane run for our area 10:1 and Kuchera I think this is the first time NYC cracked 30 in a model run for this storm. Suffice to say this is quite a rare treat (even if it’s overdone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseagull Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, ILoveWinter said: I think this is the first time NYC cracked 30 in a model run for this storm. Suffice to say this is quite a rare treat (even if it’s overdone). Could very well see someone between CT and Monmouth crack 3', if a persistent band sets up on the pivot. Going to be a very interesting final snow map. A lot of immediately coastal NJ may see totals (if they can be accurately guaged,) a bit on the lower side. Winds of this strength tend to compact snow depth during warmer snowfall. However, it also leads to some wild drifting. We will know in about 24 hours. Fun to watch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Latest HRRR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 RGEM about to clobber the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Smith Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Some place within 20 miles of Sayreville to Freehold NJ could have those kinds of totals (30-36 in) and severe drifting. They may be driving snowmobiles down the NJ Turnpike rescuing stranded people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juturna Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 If some of this verifies for LI, I hope my job is kind. When Nemo hit, my street didn’t get plowed for almost 48 hours after the snow stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover11 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Its game time! Flakes start flying in the next 4-6 hours. The goods get here around 4-6pm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 RGEM not as crazy as I thought it could have been but that was jet fuel at 500mb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Brooklyn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, EasternLI said: RGEM not as crazy as I thought it could have been but that was jet fuel at 500mb. Its struggling. Less snow than the last run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T5403CG Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 RGEM not as crazy as I thought it could have been but that was jet fuel at 500mb.Track seems further SE than other models...Sent from my motorola edge 2024 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Its struggling. Less snow than the last run. Noise. Overall, the whole evolution has grown more impressive incrementally over time. Speaking only about the rgem. Bigtime event inbound. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off A potentially historic winter storm will impact the Tri-State area today into Monday. This is a dangerous situation with blizzard conditions expected to develop tonight. All guidance has converged on the evolution, track, and intensity of the system. There are some subtle differences with the global models taking a 970 mb low close to the 40N/70W benchmark by Monday morning, while the hires models are slightly farther west. The latter could be the difference for even higher snowfall amounts than currently forecast. Low pressure will quickly develop off along the North Carolina coast this morning and rapidly intensify this evening into Monday morning as it slowly lifts north-north east towards the 40N/70W benchmark. The 00Z ECMWF has come into better agreement as it has generally been on the eastern envelope of the operational guidance. This slight shift has resulted in the model QPF coming more into line with the current forecast. Forecast liquid equivalent amounts are mainly between 1.5 and 2 inches. Initially, snow ratios will start out 10:1 or even a bit lower today, then increasing to 12-14:1 by daybreak Monday as colder air wraps around the system. NBM snow ratios have been consistently too high through the event from start to finish. While deep-layered lift in the snow growth region (-10 to -20C) favors dendritic growth and high ratios, high winds will likely result in fracturing of the crystals, lowering rates. Putting this all together, expect 1 to 2 ft across the tri-state. This is up a few inches from the last forecast. On the higher end, the NBM (01Z) supports 23 to 30 inches across the area, due to a bit more QPF and the aforementioned higher ratios. Its 90th percentile supports close to 3 ft across much of the area. The NAMNest is also on the higher end with 2 to 3 inches of liquid equivalent. This is likely due to its more westward track. The 06Z HRRR which is similar in its track is very much in line with the current forecast. However, a reasonable worst case could put totals up to 3 ft. While the highest totals are expected along the coast, heavier bands of snow (strong frontogenetic forcing) can rotate inland and usually on the cold air side of the best forcing. These bands are ofter a challenge to forecast and often leads to localized higher amounts. Light snow, or a mix of rain and snow, will develop this morning, mainly from NYC and points west. This initially is associated with an inverted trough extending back to the NW across the lower Great Lakes. In fact, as the coastal low deepens later today, there may even be some drying out at the leading edge of the precipitation shield. It may take until this early this evening for steadier snow to arrive at the coast and then overspread the remainder of the area. The heaviest snow will occur during the overnight hours with 1-2"/hr rates and at times as high 3"+/hr. The bulk of the snow will come from 7 pm this evening to 7 am Monday. Snow this heavy combined with strong winds will result in whiteout conditions. Visibilities are expected to be below 1/4 mile for much of this time. Bands of moderate to heavy snow will continue into Monday morning within the comma head of the storm (typically to the N and W of the center of low pressure). These lingering bands will diminish as the low pulls away Monday afternoon. There is also a chance of a few lightning strikes in the heavier banding tonight into Monday morning. While not included in the forecast, it cannot be ruled out. Winds will be quite strong with this storm. Model soundings show boundary layer winds along the coast 40-60kt with decent mixing. Coastal locations can expect to see gusts up 45 to 55 mph, possibly even stronger across far eastern LI and southeast CT up to 60 or 65 mph. Inland areas will be weaker, but should see frequent gusts 35 to 45 mph. The highest winds will occur tonight into the first half of Monday. The blizzard warnings were expanded to include Orange and Putnam counties in the Lower Hudson valley due higher confidence in considerable falling snow, strong winds, and poor visibility. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, TriPol said: https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=NWS&issuedby=OKX&product=AFD&format=CI&version=1&glossary=1&highlight=off A potentially historic winter storm will impact the Tri-State area today into Monday. This is a dangerous situation with blizzard conditions expected to develop tonight. All guidance has converged on the evolution, track, and intensity of the system. There are some subtle differences with the global models taking a 970 mb low close to the 40N/70W benchmark by Monday morning, while the hires models are slightly farther west. The latter could be the difference for even higher snowfall amounts than currently forecast. Low pressure will quickly develop off along the North Carolina coast this morning and rapidly intensify this evening into Monday morning as it slowly lifts north-north east towards the 40N/70W benchmark. The 00Z ECMWF has come into better agreement as it has generally been on the eastern envelope of the operational guidance. This slight shift has resulted in the model QPF coming more into line with the current forecast. Forecast liquid equivalent amounts are mainly between 1.5 and 2 inches. Initially, snow ratios will start out 10:1 or even a bit lower today, then increasing to 12-14:1 by daybreak Monday as colder air wraps around the system. NBM snow ratios have been consistently too high through the event from start to finish. While deep-layered lift in the snow growth region (-10 to -20C) favors dendritic growth and high ratios, high winds will likely result in fracturing of the crystals, lowering rates. Putting this all together, expect 1 to 2 ft across the tri-state. This is up a few inches from the last forecast. On the higher end, the NBM (01Z) supports 23 to 30 inches across the area, due to a bit more QPF and the aforementioned higher ratios. Its 90th percentile supports close to 3 ft across much of the area. The NAMNest is also on the higher end with 2 to 3 inches of liquid equivalent. This is likely due to its more westward track. The 06Z HRRR which is similar in its track is very much in line with the current forecast. However, a reasonable worst case could put totals up to 3 ft. While the highest totals are expected along the coast, heavier bands of snow (strong frontogenetic forcing) can rotate inland and usually on the cold air side of the best forcing. These bands are ofter a challenge to forecast and often leads to localized higher amounts. Light snow, or a mix of rain and snow, will develop this morning, mainly from NYC and points west. This initially is associated with an inverted trough extending back to the NW across the lower Great Lakes. In fact, as the coastal low deepens later today, there may even be some drying out at the leading edge of the precipitation shield. It may take until this early this evening for steadier snow to arrive at the coast and then overspread the remainder of the area. The heaviest snow will occur during the overnight hours with 1-2"/hr rates and at times as high 3"+/hr. The bulk of the snow will come from 7 pm this evening to 7 am Monday. Snow this heavy combined with strong winds will result in whiteout conditions. Visibilities are expected to be below 1/4 mile for much of this time. Bands of moderate to heavy snow will continue into Monday morning within the comma head of the storm (typically to the N and W of the center of low pressure). These lingering bands will diminish as the low pulls away Monday afternoon. There is also a chance of a few lightning strikes in the heavier banding tonight into Monday morning. While not included in the forecast, it cannot be ruled out. Winds will be quite strong with this storm. Model soundings show boundary layer winds along the coast 40-60kt with decent mixing. Coastal locations can expect to see gusts up 45 to 55 mph, possibly even stronger across far eastern LI and southeast CT up to 60 or 65 mph. Inland areas will be weaker, but should see frequent gusts 35 to 45 mph. The highest winds will occur tonight into the first half of Monday. The blizzard warnings were expanded to include Orange and Putnam counties in the Lower Hudson valley due higher confidence in considerable falling snow, strong winds, and poor visibility. Thundersnow 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycsnow Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Current view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycsnow Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Gfs 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, nycsnow said: Gfs That is insane lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WeatherFox Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 “A potentially historic winter storm will impact the Tri-State area today into Monday. This is a dangerous situation with blizzard conditions.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 OKX is now forecasting a top 10 all timer for NYC. This 20" amount would be tied with Boxing Day at #7. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, WeatherFox said: 4 hours ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: A potentially historic winter storm will impact the Tri-State area today into Monday. This is a dangerous situation with blizzard conditions expected to develop tonight. quite a remarkable AFD. Never seen them mention 3 feet amounts other than the storm we don't talk about here 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 17 hours ago, Metasequoia said: I would love to know Snowman19's latest thoughts. Here are my thoughts….i’m going with the RGEM. RGEM all the way. It’s been the most consistent for days and hasn’t budged. Great model. Makes the most sense. I think the NAM is about to go down in an epic flaming dumpster fire. It’s going to have its hugest bust ever. GFS has been downgrading amounts since Friday evening. Ride the RGEM 6z RGEM: https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=rdps&p=sn10_acc-imp&rh=2026022206&fh=48&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=&pwplus=1 7 3 4 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseagull Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 1 minute ago, snowman19 said: Here are my thoughts….i’m going with the RGEM. RGEM all the way. It’s been the most consistent for days. Makes the most sense. I think the NAM is about to go down in an epic flaming dumpster fire. It’s going to have its hugest bust ever. GFS has been downgrading amounts since Friday evening. Ride the RGEM 6z RGEM: https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=rdps&p=sn10_acc-imp&rh=2026022206&fh=48&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=&pwplus=1 Both Mt. Holly and Upton wholeheartedly disagree with your take, but we shall see. I dont agree with some of the totals (region wide,) but there will certainly be some major jackpot areas over 2'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 4 minutes ago, dseagull said: Both Mt. Holly and Upton wholeheartedly disagree with your take, but we shall see. I dont agree with some of the totals (region wide,) but there will certainly be some major jackpot areas over 2'. I think the jackpots will be the Jersey shore, Long Island and New England as shown on the RGEM. I also think the NWS amounts are going to bust much too high. The NAM is on crack and it’s skewing the NBM which NWS loves to use. Not criticizing them just think they are going too much NAM and that’s a very huge mistake. I believe the RGEM is going to nail this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseagull Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 3 minutes ago, snowman19 said: I think the jackpots will be the Jersey shore, Long Island and New England as shown on the RGEM. I also think the NWS amounts are going to bust much too high. The NAM is on crack and it’s skewing the NBM which NWS loves to use. Not criticizing them just think they are going too much NAM and that’s a very huge mistake. I believe the RGEM is going to nail this We shall see. GFS was consistent for days. Unchanged, largely. As always, snow totals are always the focus... which has always fascinated me. This will be a fairly historic blizzard for more, if for no other reason than the speed of pressure drop and potency of the low. This is a textbook storm, and will be referenced for years to come. I see zero evidence that this will be a region wide bust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 16 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Here are my thoughts….i’m going with the RGEM. RGEM all the way. It’s been the most consistent for days and hasn’t budged. Great model. Makes the most sense. I think the NAM is about to go down in an epic flaming dumpster fire. It’s going to have its hugest bust ever. GFS has been downgrading amounts since Friday evening. Ride the RGEM 6z RGEM: https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=rdps&p=sn10_acc-imp&rh=2026022206&fh=48&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=&pwplus=1 Snowman makes an appearance only to put his cards on one of the least snowy models? Not much of a surprise there. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 14 minutes ago, snowman19 said: I think the jackpots will be the Jersey shore, Long Island and New England as shown on the RGEM. I also think the NWS amounts are going to bust much too high. The NAM is on crack and it’s skewing the NBM which NWS loves to use. Not criticizing them just think they are going too much NAM and that’s a very huge mistake. I believe the RGEM is going to nail this Because you like what it says. You can’t believe a storm can be this catastrophic. But we learned with Sandy that indeed, things can sometimes be catastrophic. But the experts who do this professionally are indeed worried and cannot just dismiss repeated modeling showing a widespread catastrophic snowfall. They would be remiss not to. Peace. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franklin0529 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, snowman19 said: I think the jackpots will be the Jersey shore, Long Island and New England as shown on the RGEM. I also think the NWS amounts are going to bust much too high. The NAM is on crack and it’s skewing the NBM which NWS loves to use. Not criticizing them just think they are going too much NAM and that’s a very huge mistake. I believe the RGEM is going to nail this What about the GFS? That owned every other model on this storm? You're such a weenie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neblizzard Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 25 minutes ago, snowman19 said: Here are my thoughts….i’m going with the RGEM. RGEM all the way. It’s been the most consistent for days and hasn’t budged. Great model. Makes the most sense. I think the NAM is about to go down in an epic flaming dumpster fire. It’s going to have its hugest bust ever. GFS has been downgrading amounts since Friday evening. Ride the RGEM 6z RGEM: https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.php?m=rdps&p=sn10_acc-imp&rh=2026022206&fh=48&r=us_ne&dpdt=&mc=&pwplus=1 Have a Shirley temple. It’s on me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaysoner Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 15 minutes ago, snowman19 said: I think the jackpots will be the Jersey shore, Long Island and New England as shown on the RGEM. I also think the NWS amounts are going to bust much too high. The NAM is on crack and it’s skewing the NBM which NWS loves to use. Not criticizing them just think they are going too much NAM and that’s a very huge mistake. I believe the RGEM is going to nail this Gonna need more reasoning to dispel the consistency with the majority of all the other models, meso and global. Not saying it's impossible, it just seems unlikely at this point, and an outlier solution. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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