Central PA Fall Discussions and Obs

[Blizzard of 93]

Great GFS run for CTP.

Warning snow potential gets down to Lancaster & York as well this run.

 

[Blizzard of 93]

0z GFS says we might have Another event to track next Friday.

This second late week chance looks to be gaining traction on recent model runs.

[Blizzard of 93]

13 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

0z GFS says we might have Another event to track next Friday.

This second late week chance looks to be gaining traction on recent model runs.

0z Canadian also has this second potential for next Friday night as well.

[Superstorm]

Euro bumping things up.




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[MAG5035]

Overviewing all the model/ensemble stuff the last few runs I would think most if not all the subforum is looking good for the first widespread synoptic snowfall of the early winter season. I’m not really concerned about any P-type issues except for the LSV near the MD line, and even there I think there’s a good chance of advisory type snowfall or even a mostly snow event presuming we don’t trend the surface low NW much in the next 36 hrs. Think the ceiling  in our area is likely to be 5-6” but mostly a 3-5” type event. 

Main issues I see to sort out at the moment is axis and width of the swath of heaviest snowfall. The regular Euro suite has been a bit more disjointed upstream developing the shield of precip. It seems to be the most progressive of the major stuff to include the GFS and Canadian suites, as well as the AI Euro. This makes for a late blossom of the precip shield over the majority of C-PA and a more focused swath as the coastal low deepens and moves NE. Basically everyone still sees snow but it’s a lot more 1-2” or so with a tighter swath of 3-5” type amounts… which is the furthest SE with that getting a couple inches all the way into DC. It’s reflective in the associated ensembles too. Might as well show them all.

0z GEFS vs Euro EPS 24hr probs of 3”+

0z Canadian ensemble vs Euro AI ensemble for 24hr 3”+ probs, actually a pretty good match on swath axis

 

The other end of the spectrum is the 3 and 12km NAM being the furthest NW, most wound up solution (no surprise) still as of 6z this morning.  I’m sure thats the type of solution the MU guy is envisioning as the end game of what this system does in terms of the boundary being north. Which is certainly possible but I don’t see the amp in the pattern  to bend this up in a Chesapeake Bay to NYC to Southern New England trajectory as deep as it has the low developing. And honestly that’s about the only kind of track I would entertain detrimental p-type issues reaching far up into southern PA and the Sus Valley. Otherwise I think this pattern setup we’re in is plenty cold enough to overcome early season climo. Yea the ridge axis is just off the Pacific Coast, but the PV is also anchored over Hudson Bay. Look at the 500mb anomalies for storm time. The only detriment of a +NAO in this setup would be a progessive pattern. 

[Voyager]

3 hours ago, Superstorm said:

Euro bumping things up.

So did CTP. Last night they said 3-5 for my backyard on Tuesday, and now they added in overnight accumulations that take it to 4-10.

Monday Night

A chance of snow after 1am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 23. Calm wind. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.

Tuesday

Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 37. Calm wind becoming northwest around 5 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 7 inches possible.

[Voyager]

Graphical map of "expected" snowfall... 

 

[mahantango#1]

 

Very informative: medium.com

LOOKING AT DEC 2025 — Why this Skeptic is excited and impressed if you like cold and snow across…

 

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[Voyager]

Sounds like watches may be hoisted for some later on this afternoon.

The latest WPC probabilities of 0.25" or greater liquid
equivalent snow/sleet paint medium probabilities (40-70%)
across most of the region, with slightly lower amounts expected
in northwest PA. The latest Winter Storm Outlook highlights a
30-50% chance of Warning criteria snowfall (5"+) in northeast
PA, primarily east of US-15. GEFS and ECENS probabilities of
6"+ have trended up a bit also supporting the 30-50% probability
in the Poconos, with an even higher likelihood up through
coastal New England. If the current track/timing holds, watches
may be needed in the next forecast cycle. At this time, though,
a plowable snowfall seems like a reasonable bet for most of the
region. Guidance has remained consistent overall for snowfall
amounts with the last two runs, however some uncertainty remains
whether or not warm nosing above the surface could limit snow
across the PA/MD border. If mixing is a problem for anywhere in
Central PA, it would be for locations southeast of US-30 in York
and Lancaster County. Continue to monitor the forecast in the
days ahead, especially if you have plans to travel.

[pawatch]

Hope everyone is right. Getting my blower out and fueled up today.

Hope it not a jinx…but need to make sure it’s running.

Mag nice write up!  
Blizz Thanks!

[DDweatherman]

Snow this morning underway to get us in the mood 

[mahantango#1]

Snowing here.

[pawatch]

15 mph wind and I said no snow Flurries. 2 minutes after I said that it started snow flurrying  

[Voyager]

Light but steady snow has commenced in Tamaqua.

33/21 at the moment.

[Porsche]

Steady snow in New Holland now!

[mitchnick]

Lt snow in Hanover for the last hour. Radar says it's almost done. 

At least down here, snow in October-Bad, snow in November-Good.

[Blizzard of 93]

Snowy morning in Marysville!

What a wonderful little surprise to wake up to today.

Trees, grass & car tops have caved! 

[mahantango#1]

5 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

Snowy morning in Marysville!

What a wonderful little surprise to wake up to today.

Trees, grass & car tops have caved! 

Any reports from the "heat island"?

[Blizzard92]

We ended up with our first 0.1" closer to Linglestown!

[mitchnick]

Final burst, almost over, gave a covering on the roofs and mulch. 

Can't help but feel good about this winter in light of what modeling, short, medium, and long range are showing. 

[WX-PA]

Light snow..dusting in Dillsburg..Looks like we are kicking off a great stretch of winter weather! Cold, snowy December..it's about time!

[Voyager]

Good, moderate burst with good sized flakes going on here. Grass and Jeep getting white. Of course, not expecting much, but it's a wintry prelude of what's likely to come in 36-48 hours.

Unless the models do a total flip, I expect a watch to be issued by supper time.

[str8liner]

Started "sneeting" here awhile ago......

 

[Superstorm]

Had a nice burst go through here in Lanco. Wet accum on cars and roof only.

Light snow still falling but end is near.


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[Blizzard of 93]

.2” of snow “officially” in Marysville.

Put me on the board this season, lol!

It feels great to say that, especially with what could be in store for us this week.

[ChescoWx]

First measurable snow of the season here in NW Chester County - still snowing steadily

[CarlislePaWx]

Woke up an hour ago to a nice surprise also.  It was winding down and the temp was 32.2 degrees.  Accumulations on the same surfaces as most others here.  Mulch, grass, stones, trees, and my car.  After "careful deliberation"...lol..., I'm going with 0.3" for this first measurable event of the season.  There's too much white visible in the grass to consider anything less, imo.  So...let the games begin!  (Temp now up to 33.6 degrees and rapid melting taking place.)

[Blizzard of 93]

1 hour ago, Blizzard92 said:

We ended up with our first 0.1" closer to Linglestown!

Great to see you posting again.

Here’s to looking forward to an active start to Winter this week!

[ChescoWx]

Following our 0.5” of snow this morning - some light rain will continue into early this afternoon. We clear up tonight and remain chilly with well below normal temperatures for the entire upcoming work week. Our next winter event looks to arrive as snow toward Tuesday morning before a slow transition from snow to rain from southeast to northwest across the area. Some models are showing a plowable event for NW Chesco and into Berks and Lehigh counties. But as we all know we do not shovel model snow. The current NWS early forecast has 2 to 4" possible for NW Chesco to about 1 inch down toward Chadds Ford in SE Chesco. Snow should turn to rain by late morning. We could see more snow arriving on Friday night, so an early season arrival of winter type weather is on the way.

[Blizzard92]

44 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

Great to see you posting again.

Here’s to looking forward to an active start to Winter this week!

Thanks! I am back local again and hoping these signs (which are still looking good) for a wintry December pan out too.