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Mid to long range discussion- 2025


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 Which are y’all going with for Saturday’s (12/13) low? 
 
 The GFS sticks out as much colder than the others at ATL with upper teens there, which tells me it’s likely too cold there. It has had a cold bias over snowcover in recent years (which is well above average in the Midwest). That’s probably a factor as I don’t know that that has been fixed.

6Z GFS: pipe busting cold with upper teens ATL/RDU: likely too cold

0Z Euro: slower with the cold and thus is much warmer on Sat AM with upper 30s: likely too warm though it has 20s the subsequent few days

0Z ICON: mid 20s RDU to upper 20s ATL: looks like a reasonable middle-ground

0Z CMC: coldest at RDU with mid teens (CMC has a well-known cold bias) though only down to mid 20s ATL

0Z UKMET: only down to low 30s though it has a warm bias/very likely too warm though it is headed for 20s on Sunday

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9 hours ago, GaWx said:

 Which are y’all going with for Saturday’s (12/13) low? 
 
 The GFS sticks out as much colder than the others at ATL with upper teens there, which tells me it’s likely too cold there. It has had a cold bias over snowcover in recent years (which is well above average in the Midwest). That’s probably a factor as I don’t know that that has been fixed.

6Z GFS: pipe busting cold with upper teens ATL/RDU: likely too cold

0Z Euro: slower with the cold and thus is much warmer on Sat AM with upper 30s: likely too warm though it has 20s the subsequent few days

0Z ICON: mid 20s RDU to upper 20s ATL: looks like a reasonable middle-ground

0Z CMC: coldest at RDU with mid teens (CMC has a well-known cold bias) though only down to mid 20s ATL

0Z UKMET: only down to low 30s though it has a warm bias/very likely too warm though it is headed for 20s on Sunday

I'm guessing mid 20's for the ATL lows.

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Ensembles have been showing a breakdown of the west coast ridge for a while. This should give us a nice relaxation in temperatures. DT was having none of it during his extended discussion that I saw on Saturday.


We will have to see what actually occurs and if the breakdown does occur. Telecommunications weren’t strong enough last I checked to argue one way or the other. La Niña is waning which has big implications down the road.


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3 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

I’m off that week and would really enjoy some fishing in lieu of watching it rain and be 38°. Hope it trends warmer not gonna lie lol.

I don't mind a warmup. My kids need to play outside (and me). 30s and rain is just miserable weather, especially with young kids who have tons of energy. 

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5 hours ago, wncsnow said:

I don't mind a warmup. My kids need to play outside (and me). 30s and rain is just miserable weather, especially with young kids who have tons of energy. 

This sounds like my life right now. Add in working from home and it's chaos.

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We’ve seen headfakes regarding modeled warmth several times this fall, but Christmas week seems to be trending warmer and warmer across ensembles, ops, everything. Hopium can only get you so far! I think the pattern relaxation occurs that week but how long it lasts is tbd. With no southern stream energy flying around and a continued parade of Canadian clippers a reset might not be the worse thing bc no one’s scoring a big storm in this current regime without the motherload of luck (looking at you southern VA folks)

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13 hours ago, Upstate Tiger said:

Wouldn’t mind a little stretch of mild myself.  Would love to be able to play some golf and get out with the grands.  

Im good with the weather being cold and gloomy. Now, my family would like some sun and warm. 

I love the dark gloomy days. Just want to add some snow to the mix .

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1 hour ago, NorthHillsWx said:

We’ve seen headfakes regarding modeled warmth several times this fall, but Christmas week seems to be trending warmer and warmer across ensembles, ops, everything. Hopium can only get you so far! I think the pattern relaxation occurs that week but how long it lasts is tbd. With no southern stream energy flying around and a continued parade of Canadian clippers a reset might not be the worse thing bc no one’s scoring a big storm in this current regime without the motherload of luck (looking at you southern VA folks)

Yeah, the overnight models were not good for Christmas week.  They seem to indicate next week's moderation will last more than a few days.  Still a lot of super cold air in Canada just waiting to dump south.

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