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3 hours ago, TimB84 said:

But do most people in this category know what full FDA approval entails and what the differences are between emergency use authorization and full FDA approval? I would guess not.

Probably not, but it does mean something or there wouldn't be a separate category for emergency approval vs full approval.  

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5 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Probably not, but it does mean something or there wouldn't be a separate category for emergency approval vs full approval.  

So in other words, it may not be a decision made based on conspiracy stuff people read on Facebook, but it’s absolutely an uninformed decision by people who haven’t taken the relatively small amount of time it takes to research what an EUA means. I feel like it can be spun a number of different ways, but for more than half of unvaccinated people, the decision isn’t an informed one.

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1 minute ago, TimB84 said:

So in other words, it may not be a decision made based on conspiracy stuff people read on Facebook, but it’s absolutely an uninformed decision by people who haven’t taken the relatively small amount of time it takes to research what an EUA means.

Who cares man, if you have the vaccine somebody else's ignorance literally does not matter whatsoever at this point. I don't know about you but my life is basically back to normal at this point.

The percentage of us who actually care to research information is so small on either side of the political spectrum its embarrassing. Just like the numbers from a month or so ago that showed the perceived fatality rates of covid by people on the left. 

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17 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Who cares man, if you have the vaccine somebody else's ignorance literally does not matter whatsoever at this point. I don't know about you but my life is basically back to normal at this point.

The percentage of us who actually care to research information is so small on either side of the political spectrum its embarrassing. Just like the numbers from a month or so ago that showed the perceived fatality rates of covid by people on the left. 

You’re right, my daily life is back to normal at this point. I’m going places without a mask, I can visit my parents without worrying about killing them, and I can take small vacations to other states when I want to without worrying about getting covid. Other people’s ignorance on the matter affects me in two ways I can think of: 

1. Because a lot of people won’t get vaccinated, covid in America isn’t gone yet to the point where other countries aren’t skittish about letting Americans in, so we’re stigmatized whether we’re vaccinated or not and I can’t yet enjoy travel to the extent that I could before the pandemic.

2. There’s still the risk that if we let covid keep spreading, a strain will develop that is resistant toward the vaccines. Others in this thread have said this may happen anyway in other countries (India in particular, where covid is running rampant), and spread here, but of course it isn’t out of the realm of possibility anywhere covid exists.

Edit: Maybe issue #1 is a personal issue of me being impatient and issue #2 is an issue of me being anxious, or maybe I’m trying to find someone to blame when it isn’t warranted, but maybe these concerns are justified.

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On 6/1/2021 at 11:10 AM, TimB84 said:

You’re right, my daily life is back to normal at this point. I’m going places without a mask, I can visit my parents without worrying about killing them, and I can take small vacations to other states when I want to without worrying about getting covid. Other people’s ignorance on the matter affects me in two ways I can think of: 

1. Because a lot of people won’t get vaccinated, covid in America isn’t gone yet to the point where other countries aren’t skittish about letting Americans in, so we’re stigmatized whether we’re vaccinated or not and I can’t yet enjoy travel to the extent that I could before the pandemic.

2. There’s still the risk that if we let covid keep spreading, a strain will develop that is resistant toward the vaccines. Others in this thread have said this may happen anyway in other countries (India in particular, where covid is running rampant), and spread here, but of course it isn’t out of the realm of possibility anywhere covid exists.

Edit: Maybe issue #1 is a personal issue of me being impatient and issue #2 is an issue of me being anxious, or maybe I’m trying to find someone to blame when it isn’t warranted, but maybe these concerns are justified.

Wait another 2 months and most of these issues will be long over with.

The Spanish flu is still around in the form of a variant..... Covid is never going away. Who cares...

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11 minutes ago, Jonger said:

Wait another 2 months and most of these issues will be long over with.

The Spanish flu is still around in the form of a variant..... Covid is never going away. Who cares...

In two months I’ll be able to travel to Canada or Europe or New Zealand or wherever I want to go? I’m not sure I believe that.

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3 hours ago, TimB84 said:

In two months I’ll be able to travel to Canada or Europe or New Zealand or wherever I want to go? I’m not sure I believe that.

I thought vaccinated Americans are good to go for many European countries? Also, I bet Canada opens to vaccinated Americans by that time. New Zealand is in a tough spot. While they've been good at keeping Sars cov 2, they haven't done a good job at procuring vaccines. They might not be open for some time. 

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7 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

I thought vaccinated Americans are good to go for many European countries? Also, I bet Canada opens to vaccinated Americans by that time. New Zealand is in a tough spot. While they've been good at keeping Sars cov 2, they haven't done a good job at procuring vaccines. They might not be open for some time. 

It sounds like the EU may be open to vaccinated Americans very soon, though countries can still opt to impose additional restrictions. Fortunately I went to New Zealand in 2019, so that isn’t on my list to travel to anytime soon (though I’d move there permanently if it were at all feasible). So yeah, maybe that particular issue is a non-issue at this point.

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3 hours ago, TimB84 said:

It sounds like the EU may be open to vaccinated Americans very soon, though countries can still opt to impose additional restrictions. Fortunately I went to New Zealand in 2019, so that isn’t on my list to travel to anytime soon (though I’d move there permanently if it were at all feasible). So yeah, maybe that particular issue is a non-issue at this point.

I had a 16 day trip planned to New Zealand in early April of 2020. Planned that thing for 6 months. :(

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53 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I had a 16 day trip planned to New Zealand in early April of 2020. Planned that thing for 6 months. :(

Sorry to hear. It’s my favorite place I’ve ever been. Hope you get to go someday.

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50 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

So what’s up with fauci emails to wuhan lab leaders? Did he get caught? 

I haven't seen anything too concerning about his emails but may not be up to speed on everything. 

Having said that the lab leak concern is definitely increasing in likelihood based on the information I'm reading.  Unfortunately I doubt there will be a smoking gun because much has been destroyed or covered up by China plus the soule to find reliable information is especially difficult. 

Here are some articles I've found to be interesting. 

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-how-amateur-sleuths-broke-wuhan-lab-story-embarrassed-media-1596958

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

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I didn't think the 7 day average would be below 15k cases on June 2nd though I think some of that is an artifact of the holiday weekend.  I bet it will stall for the next week and then dip below 10k the week of the 14th although I'd love to be wrong and have cases just continue to drop sharply. 

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1 hour ago, mattb65 said:

I didn't think the 7 day average would be below 15k cases on June 2nd though I think some of that is an artifact of the holiday weekend.  I bet it will stall for the next week and then dip below 10k the week of the 14th although I'd love to be wrong and have cases just continue to drop sharply. 

Not that it makes a huge difference, but whose numbers are we using to call the drop below 10k -- the twitter guy or worldometers?  I think the latter includes cases from US territories.

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36 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Not that it makes a huge difference, but whose numbers are we using to call the drop below 10k -- the twitter guy or worldometers?  I think the latter includes cases from US territories.

Lawyer Craig on twitter but I bet worldometers will also go below 10k shortly afterwards 

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I got some additional details on my friend who was 35 and passed away from Covid.  I thought she had went to the hospital and was admitted.  Instead since she was healthy and young, then sent her home.  She was taking prescription meds they gave her but she passed away in her sleep from a pulmonary embolism.  She lived alone and her family found her the next day.  

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19 hours ago, Jonger said:

Wait another 2 months and most of these issues will be long over with.

The Spanish flu is still around in the form of a variant..... Covid is never going away. Who cares...

Actually this is very correct. The 1918 flu was actually a new strain of bird flu that aided by WW1 flew across the globe. After it's big hit similar to Covid, it experienced "antigenic drift" which mutated it into a more mild bug. Because this was such a dominant virus it became "the flu" that we know about today, just a milder variant. However when that virus mixes with another one in an animal, it turns into another pandemic. That's what happened with the Swine Flu in 2009.

I highly recommend everyone to read Michael Lewis's (Moneyball, The Big Short) book "The Premonition: A Pandemic Story" as it's an absolutely fascinating read

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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

Actually this is very correct. The 1918 flu was actually a new strain of bird flu that aided by WW1 flew across the globe. After it's big hit similar to Covid, it experienced "antigenic drift" which mutated it into a more mild bug. Because this was such a dominant virus it became "the flu" that we know about today, just a milder variant. However when that virus mixes with another one in an animal, it turns into another pandemic. That's what happened with the Swine Flu in 2009.

I highly recommend everyone to read Michael Lewis's (Moneyball, The Big Short) book "The Premonition: A Pandemic Story" as it's an absolutely fascinating read

But my comment received 3 weenie dogs yo!

Some people really dig the lockdowns. Imagine wanting that.... yikes.

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8 minutes ago, Jonger said:

But my comment received 3 weenie dogs yo!

Some people really dig the lockdowns. Imagine wanting that.... yikes.

I don’t think anyone “digs the lockdowns”. As I’ve said before (and adding a few more that may or may not be my personal beliefs), I think:

1. A lot of people recognize that there’s no reason they ever need to go back to the office and would rather work from home forever, not because they’re afraid of getting covid but because wasting up to 10 hours a week commuting absolutely sucks.

2. A lot of people don’t have an issue with people being 6 feet apart forever and not have someone up their ass in every public place they go.

3. A lot of people probably have no issue with not having to receive unsolicited handshakes and hugs all the ****ing time and agree that it’s another unhygienic practice that doesn’t need to be brought back.

4. A lot of people have no issue wearing masks because they also cut back on the transmission of cold and flu, and:

5. If people really do enjoy the staying at home a lot part of lockdown, they can continue to do that whether there is a lockdown or not.

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On 5/31/2021 at 7:58 AM, StormfanaticInd said:

:clap:

Thank you Trump

14 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

So what’s up with fauci emails to wuhan lab leaders? Did he get caught? 

He has been shaky since day 1. Trump, DeSantis, Rand Paul and others called him out.

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While viruses generally tend to evolve to be less severe in order to increase their virulence, that doesn't really matter in this situation because the concern is that the virus will mutate to overcome the vaccinations we've created against it, which would make it more lethal and would disrupt the flow of things yet again. 

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The IsraeIi Health Ministry says there is a likely link between the Pfizer vaccine and myocarditis in the 16-30 age group, and particularly in 16-19 year olds.  Seems like there isn't consensus on this yet though.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-sees-probable-link-between-pfizer-vaccine-small-number-myocarditis-cases-2021-06-01/

I haven't seen polling on it, but I wonder what percentage of parents who got a covid vaccine are hesitant about their kids getting it as people may tend to be more cautious with their kids.  In general, you would expect that parents who did not receive a vaccine would not want their kid getting one either. 

Although the risk of vaccine induced myocarditis appears to be quite low, it does make for an interesting debate on whether it's worth getting vaccinated right now if you're in that age group, or if it's worth putting it off and waiting for more info about this.  The risk of severe covid in teenagers is very low, and the background level of virus in the US is dropping pretty rapidly.  Of course there could end up being an issue in Fall if huge numbers of kids remain unvaccinated and if safety protocols in schools are relaxed/eliminated.

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16 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Thank you Trump

He has been shaky since day 1. Trump, DeSantis, Rand Paul and others called him out.

you're a real-ass dude. now get in the octagon with Jonger.

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37 minutes ago, Malacka11 said:

While viruses generally tend to evolve to be less severe in order to increase their virulence, that doesn't really matter in this situation because the concern is that the virus will mutate to overcome the vaccinations we've created against it, which would make it more lethal and would disrupt the flow of things yet again. 

There's nothing stopping mutations and new variants, just have to accept that life comes with risk. My best bud just got Covid last week. Stuffy nose and a sinus headache that lasted 3 days. 

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