StormfanaticInd Posted April 6 I believe my state lifts its mask mandate today. Not sure about Indianapolis Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUmetstud Posted April 6 The problem here is that basic factual arguments are now somehow become political. "Well, that's my view." When did the science behind masks and the science behind vaccines become political? It's literally not. Its about scientific evidence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimB84 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, dta1984 said: I don't try pushing my views. They are mine, and (many others for that matter). Sure, they may seem misguided to some, but their views are misguided to others as well. I have good sources, and actual medical professionals in the family. Some here just rely on what ABC news or Dr fauci say. It's whatever, agree to disagree. Assuming you really mean actual medical professionals, I’ll give you that. I was having an argument with an anti-masker/anti-lockdown person/anti-vaxxer (can’t remember which, they’re all the same to me) on Facebook a number of months back and her response was “I work in the medical field so I would know.” A quick glance at her profile and it turns out she was a receptionist at a f***ing chiropractor’s office! As in, someone who would know little more about medicine than anyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schoeppeya Posted April 6 9 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: It's so ridiculous. What the hell is a hardcore pro-vaxer? When the hell did vaccines become so damn political? it's ****ing public health. I don't even know what you're talking about. I am very pro vaccine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schoeppeya Posted April 6 7 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: I believe my state lifts its mask mandate today. Not sure about Indianapolis Marion County mask mandate is still in effect. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schoeppeya Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: The problem here is that basic factual arguments are now somehow become political. "Well, that's my view." When did the science behind masks and the science behind vaccines become political? It's literally not. Its about scientific evidence. That's entirely my point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUmetstud Posted April 6 Just now, TimB84 said: Assuming you really mean actual medical professionals, I’ll give you that. I was having an argument with an anti-masker/anti-lockdown person/anti-vaxxer (can’t remember which, they’re all the same to me) on Facebook a number of months back and her response was “I work in the medical field so I would know.” A quick glance at her profile and it turns out she was a receptionist at a f***ing chiropractor’s office! As in, someone who would know little more about medicine than anyone else. You can find a medical professional anywhere to tell you whatever craziness you believe. Look at youtube. That's a haven for some crackpot renegade doctor to "spill the beans on the conspiracy." Its in a lot of ways, so much worse. At least you can understand how a non-medical person in a certain environment could gravitate towards that thinking, but when a doctor does its super sad and unforgivable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimB84 Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: The problem here is that basic factual arguments are now somehow become political. "Well, that's my view." When did the science behind masks and the science behind vaccines become political? It's literally not. Its about scientific evidence. Everything is political now. And half the people on the other side of the mask/vax/lockdown issue had a “Stay Home, Save Lives” on their Facebook profile picture sometime last March or April. Hmm, wonder why that changed so quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dta1984 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: I don't even know what you're talking about. I am very pro vaccine? He's talking to me. So much rage it's amusing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimB84 Posted April 6 As soon as we knew about the coronavirus, it was obvious that it would become political before too long at all. Just like climate change. These are scientific issues, not political ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schoeppeya Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, TimB84 said: Assuming you really mean actual medical professionals, I’ll give you that. I was having an argument with an anti-masker/anti-lockdown person/anti-vaxxer (can’t remember which, they’re all the same to me) on Facebook a number of months back and her response was “I work in the medical field so I would know.” A quick glance at her profile and it turns out she was a receptionist at a f***ing chiropractor’s office! As in, someone who would know little more about medicine than anyone else. A few years ago I was talking about vaccines with a coworker-they were anti vax back when it was a hipster/suburban mom fringe movement to be anti vax. His wife was a nurse at a hospital and one of her doctors was supposedly the ones feeding her the anti vax info. He also tossed out the "my wife is in healthcare" line. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUmetstud Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: That's entirely my point. If DTA wasn't embroiled in right-wing politics he would see the vaccine was beneficial to him and society at large. From a scientific perspective, it absolutely is. 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OSUmetstud Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: A few years ago I was talking about vaccines with a coworker-they were anti vax back when it was a hipster/suburban mom fringe movement to be anti vax. His wife was a nurse at a hospital and one of her doctors was supposedly the ones feeding her the anti vax info. He also fed the "my wife is in healthcare" line. Theres still some horseshoe theory here for sure, but I believe the largest antivax/vaccine-hesitant group is conservative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StormfanaticInd Posted April 6 Making this political played a big role in the deaths of 560k+ Americans Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dta1984 Posted April 6 45 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: If DTA wasn't embroiled in right-wing politics he would see the vaccine was beneficial to him and society at large. From a scientific perspective, it absolutely is. You should re direct your babbling to someone who is actually discussing far right vax conspiracy theories. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEILwxbo Posted April 6 With positivity rates starting to go up across IL, some regions are approaching the threshold for tighter restrictions again. The attitude of many people (have heard these words exactly 3 separate times over the weekend) is that this is “over” now. Cant imagine the reaction would be too good if they impose new restrictions again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 1 hour ago, dta1984 said: I call those, their decision. Unless it's mandatory, do what you please. Agree No one should force you to do anything you don't want to do. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 54 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: Making this political played a big role in the deaths of 560k+ Americans How ? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RCNYILWX Posted April 6 With positivity rates starting to go up across IL, some regions are approaching the threshold for tighter restrictions again. The attitude of many people (have heard these words exactly 3 separate times over the weekend) is that this is “over” now. Cant imagine the reaction would be too good if they impose new restrictions againConsidering that many restaurants stayed opened to indoor dining or reopened after many restaurants didn't abide by shut-down of indoor dining during late fall and early winter surge, I doubt that there will be much adherence to any new restrictions. The county sheriffs not enforcing the state mandates makes them pretty toothless and an easier call for many restaurants to keep business as usual. We're probably/hopefully little more than a month away from transmission really dropping here due to vaccine or natural immunity and seasonality.Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoda Posted April 6 14 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Agree No one should force you to do anything you don't want to do. What kind of argument is this Mr. Officer? 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RCNYILWX Posted April 6 How ?A percentage of the population not taking covid seriously (insisting on frequently gathering indoors, not wearing masks etc) made them more susceptible to contracting the virus in high risk indoor settings and part of the chains of transmission that resulted in large raw numbers of bad outcomes. It's pretty clear that even if the virus weren't politicized, we would've had many deaths, but every little bit of prevention would have helped mitigate our losses. I think the early testing debacle and politicization are two of the biggest factors in the horrific death count. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dta1984 Posted April 6 10 minutes ago, RCNYILWX said: Considering that many restaurants stayed opened to indoor dining or reopened after many restaurants didn't abide by shut-down of indoor dining during late fall and early winter surge, I doubt that there will be much adherence to any new restrictions. The county sheriffs not enforcing the state mandates makes them pretty toothless and an easier call for many restaurants to keep business as usual. We're probably/hopefully little more than a month away from transmission really dropping here due to vaccine or natural immunity and seasonality. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk Does your law enforcement actually do this? Seems they have enough on their hands than responding to calls about mandates (not laws). I'd much rather they are protecting the city from crime. We have a state taskforce that snoops on businesses enforcing the crowd limidto, masks etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 So the liberal logic is to mandate vaccines on people who don't want to get it. Got it Well guess what ? I'm going to get my first vaccine on Saturday with my family. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, RCNYILWX said: A percentage of the population not taking covid seriously (insisting on frequently gathering indoors, not wearing masks etc) made them more susceptible to contracting the virus in high risk indoor settings and part of the chains of transmission that resulted in large raw numbers of bad outcomes. It's pretty clear that even if the virus weren't politicized, we would've had many deaths, but every little bit of prevention would have helped mitigate our losses. I think the early testing debacle and politicization are two of the biggest factors in the horrific death count. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk Alot of idiots can't think for themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimB84 Posted April 6 Just now, dta1984 said: Does your law enforcement actually do this? Seems they have enough on their hands than responding to calls about mandates (not laws). We have a state taskforce that snoops on businesses enforcing the crowd limidto, masks etc. “Snoops on.” Those people are American heroes if you ask me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 35 minutes ago, dta1984 said: You should re direct your babbling to someone who is actually discussing far right vax conspiracy theories. My co worker thinks there are chips inside of the vaccines lol Heck , alot of people think that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dta1984 Posted April 6 Just now, MJO812 said: My co worker thinks there are chips inside of the vaccines lol Heck , alot of people think that. Lol! Yep, now those are conspiracy theories! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimB84 Posted April 6 A coronavirus thread on a weather forum. What could possibly go wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MJO812 Posted April 6 2 minutes ago, dta1984 said: Lol! Yep, now those are conspiracy theories! Stupidity I was hesitant on getting my vaccine but I'm going to go this weekend. I want to be able to go places without getting tested and want to make sure my mom doesn't get it again. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
