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Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: That is the first time for back to back 100+ death days in IN (confirmed + probable). Also, we topped 1000 covid patients in ICU statewide. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 16 hours ago, Wmsptwx said: It’s really really bad at local hospital my mom works at. Literally at capacity and starting to be thinking of ideas for unit outside of hospital and or opening defunct hospital small distance away to use. It’s very bad and trending worse. Almost 5000 hospitalized now in PA (+238 today). 7700 new cases today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hoosier said: That is the first time for back to back 100+ death days in IN (confirmed + probable). Also, we topped 1000 covid patients in ICU statewide. Indiana is now #2 in hospitalizations per capita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Illinois with 238 deaths. Some which is due to backlog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 New York continues climb. Looks like they will soon be the epicenter again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyrfyter Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 4 hours ago, OSUmetstud said: I think the choke point is intensive care and not regular hospital beds. https://www.aha.org/statistics/fast-facts-us-hospitals It’s not. The choke point is when you overcome the hospital or it starts reaching capacity. Currently, area hospitals here are about 80-85% full. That’s not a common number for this early into winter. That’s a number in January-February during the height of flu season. It’s not just ICU beds, because every hospital has some people in it who are COVID but haven’t reached the need for ICU intervention, or are bad enough to need care but not need ICU level care. When you are overcoming local resources and there is no more room when it becomes a problem. There is a trickle-down effect from the start of illness, depending upon the severity of the individual. The more that have moderate to major symptoms, the more strain that is applied to the local healthcare system both pre-hospital (EMS), hospital, and post-hospital. This isn’t a one shoe fits all type of scenario. It can be drastically different across different geographic and socioeconomic areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 57 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: New York continues climb. Looks like they will soon be the epicenter again It's spreading like crazy in Western NY. We didn't get hit hard in wave 1, but wave 2 it's everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 If symptom onset is typically 3+ days, I would think that starting around now forward some of the testing will begin from Thanksgiving. Who knows how long those results will take however, so I am thinking the low point a couple of days ago(mostly due to data backlog) is probably the lowest we will see for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardypalmguy Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 It’s really hitting the fan in Wisconsin and the Republican legislature wants to pass legislation to absolve all businesses and schools of liability for COVID along with forcing all schools to be in person by end of January full time no matter what!. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, hardypalmguy said: It’s really hitting the fan in Wisconsin and the Republican legislature wants to pass legislation to absolve all businesses and schools of liability for COVID along with forcing all schools to be in person by end of January full time no matter what! . Smh. America is just failing miserably 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Looks like we may have record deaths today 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Really not looking good today. We were less than 10 deaths below the record in April yesterday and looks like we’ll shoot over that today with big states not yet in. Part of it’s backlog from the holiday but the hospitalization trends mean the death tolls will keep going up for probably 2 weeks even if the hospitalizations stop increasing today. That plus overwhelmed hospitals mean more will die than need to. Horrible. The vaccines can’t come soon enough, but it won’t be in time to help in the cold season when they’re really needed. It’ll really help starting when the weather warms up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said: New York continues climb. Looks like they will soon be the epicenter again Seems like the worst this time is in western NY so far but it can take off down here very fast also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Encouraging that the measures taken in Europe are reducing the daily new cases there and will reduce the death tolls soon. Hopefully the same can happen here but the holidays, fatigue and “the vaccine’s coming so we can relax”, and lack of National strategy might shoot us in the foot. Hopefully not. Europe had more centralized and strict measures taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Encouraging that the measures taken in Europe are reducing the daily new cases there and will reduce the death tolls soon. Hopefully the same can happen here but the holidays, fatigue and “the vaccine’s coming so we can relax”, and lack of National strategy might shoot us in the foot. Hopefully not. Europe had more centralized and strict measures taken. Whats hurting America is the lack of leadership. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, jm1220 said: Encouraging that the measures taken in Europe are reducing the daily new cases there and will reduce the death tolls soon. Hopefully the same can happen here but the holidays, fatigue and “the vaccine’s coming so we can relax”, and lack of National strategy might shoot us in the foot. Hopefully not. Europe had more centralized and strict measures taken. Seems like there are 2 camps about the vaccine. One is that the vaccine is coming, so let's buckle down for a while until it gets here. The other one is what you said... the vaccine is coming, so who cares what happens in the interim. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Angrysummons said: We should know by January 1st if the early phase of vaccines are working due to giving them to the high risk. More like mid January at the earliest. 2 doses separated by 4 weeks #Edit Make that the end of January 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Just came in with 4600 cases here in Mass. ugh. Looks like some of that may have been a backlog from yesterday though, but positivity is trending up, (~7% if college tests are excluded). Still have relatively low hospitalizations per capita compared to most other states, including CT & RI to our south. RI just opened a field hospital today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Field hospital in NE in January does not sound like fun. What does RI know that we don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said: More like mid January at the earliest. 2 doses separated by 4 weeks #Edit Make that the end of January I would argue even beyond that. It is something that needs to be monitored over a period of time. Say that the first round of shots is in mid to late December. Then the second dose happens in early to mid January. I think end of January to end of February could really be the telling month in nursing homes and when you would expect to see plummeting rates of infection among staff and residents. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I would argue even beyond that. It is something that needs to be monitored over a period of time. Say that the first round of shots is in mid to late December. Then the second dose happens in early to mid January. I think end of January to end of February could really be the telling month in nursing homes and when you would expect to see plummeting rates of infection among staff and residents. Just have to hope we can pull this off logistically without any major hiccups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: Just have to hope we can pull this off logistically without any major hiccups I have hope it will go better than testing did early on, which was a debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 35 minutes ago, etudiant said: Field hospital in NE in January does not sound like fun. What does RI know that we don't? Really an overflow facility. I was using the term loosely.Its not outdoors lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 One issue with the vaccine right off the bat has to do with pregnant women. There are a lot of women in healthcare with some fraction of them being pregnant. Pfizer and Moderna did not enroll pregnant women in their trials, so there is no data for that group of people. No data is not necessarily the same thing as not safe/effective, but are pregnant healthcare workers going to be forced to get vaccinated? I could see that being problematic if some of them don't want to be vaccinated, and they'd be able to argue that hey, there is no data to back up this vaccine for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujiwara79 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 with vaccines coming soon, I think we might - just might - be rounding the corner. granted, it's a sharp corner with jagged edges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Today is the worst day of the pandemic and we still have about 2.5 hours left of reporting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 So, Canada's Thanksgiving was on October 12, which I marked on the worldometers chart below. Cases were already rising there at that time but exploded after that. How much of it is seasonality and other factors besides Thanksgiving is hard to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, Hoosier said: One issue with the vaccine right off the bat has to do with pregnant women. There are a lot of women in healthcare with some fraction of them being pregnant. Pfizer and Moderna did not enroll pregnant women in their trials, so there is no data for that group of people. No data is not necessarily the same thing as not safe/effective, but are pregnant healthcare workers going to be forced to get vaccinated? I could see that being problematic if some of them don't want to be vaccinated, and they'd be able to argue that hey, there is no data to back up this vaccine for me. Do we know that for a fact? I didn’t see anything one way or another about pregnant women in trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, RyanDe680 said: Do we know that for a fact? I didn’t see anything one way or another about pregnant women in trials. I read it like a week ago but am almost certain that neither company had pregnant women in the trials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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