wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yea until a wave moves up an arctic front and they are celebrating 30-1 ratios lol Then it is "real" snow.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 54 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Good one Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicarious Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Yea until a wave moves up an arctic front and they are celebrating 30-1 ratios lol Then it is "real" snow.. I personally can't stand that because you end up getting nothing but blowing snow making it pretty terrible for driving. I have no clue if they get as much wind in NE making it not so much of a issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicarious Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 51 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Agreed. I try to follow the 6 hour guideline as close as possible, however with strong LES events it gets tough. Most of us have work, school, etc... so sometimes its tough to get a really accurate figure. https://www.weather.gov/gsp/snow Measure and record the greatest amount of snowfall that has accumulated on your snowboard (wooden deck or ground if board is not available) since the previous snowfall observation. This measurement should be taken minimally once-a-day but can be taken up to four times a day, (every 6 hours) and should reflect the greatest accumulation of new snow observed (in inches and tenths, for example, 3.9 inches) since the last snowfall observation. Snowfall amounts can be measured hourly or at any interval as long as the snow measurement board is NOT cleared more frequently than once every 6 hours I believe you posted back in the Nov 2014 storm thread some pictures and one was you shoveling that really showed just how much all the snow compacted(if not you someone did lol). I plow parking lots by south cheektowaga/west seneca area and it was just crazy how I could look at some places I didn't do at all just trying to keep open what I needed to keep up and compare it to what I plowed earlier. I knew the snow compacted on its own weight but that really showed me just how much it can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Yep...There is LOTS of air in lake effect fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hey guys. I’m looking for a suggestion on links. I like to be able to quickly look at current conditions (especially in text form) for various locations in each state. I used to use weather underground current conditions map which gave me an interactive map showing all of the US and weather fronts and pressures. If I clicked on a state it then gave me a list of cities and their current conditions. That site has changed. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 NMM FTW? Me hope so lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Majority of short range models have a little extra precip right over the crib, lets see how that transpires.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Euro came in a little snowier as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, TugHillMatt said: Part of the reason the New England crew scoffs at us and calls it fake snow. We could get a couple feet and record it...and then the next day be down to half of that as snow depth. It was the biggest thing I had to get used to when moving to a lake effect snow region. Snow piles up fast, but compacts just as quickly and has no lasting power in a thaw. It depends. Early season lake effect snow around here can be heavier then synoptic snow. The liquid equivalent for November 2014 was 1:12 to 1:15 which is extremely heavy stuff. The notion that all lake effect snow is fluff is incorrect. Many lake effect events are actually less fluffy then synoptic. All depends on the lake temp, air aloft, etc...but usually those events are when the lake is higher temps. High 30s/low 40s. Once the lake gets to 32-34 it’s tough to get heavier lake effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 I think orchard park had 80-85”. So about 1:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 While true buff, the lake region still has the highest average snow-liquid ratio along the east coast.. I grew up in nyc/nj and average synoptic events are 10-1.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 It also shows the difference in perspective, along the coast 12/1-15/1 is pure powder lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: It also shows the difference in perspective, along the coast 12/1-15/1 is pure powder lol Yeah Synoptic is almost always heavier than LES except in Nov/Dec. The fluffiest stuff is the arctic front passages with 1:30 type stuff in deep winter. I love that type of snow, so beautiful when it falls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: It also shows the difference in perspective, along the coast 12/1-15/1 is pure powder lol Probably impossible to get 1:30 along the coast. Would have to have the PV sitting right over the beach to get that. That would be something to witness though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 My companys HQ is in Boston. I should move there for a few years to see what it's like to get a few big time Nor'Easters. But then I would have to hang out with Boston sports fans, no thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Heading in the right direction.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 What we can root for lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said: It depends. Early season lake effect snow around here can be heavier then synoptic snow. The liquid equivalent for November 2014 was 1:12 to 1:15 which is extremely heavy stuff. The notion that all lake effect snow is fluff is incorrect. Many lake effect events are actually less fluffy then synoptic. All depends on the lake temp, air aloft, etc...but usually those events are when the lake is higher temps. High 30s/low 40s. Once the lake gets to 32-34 it’s tough to get heavier lake effect. Living in West Michigan, the les there was almost always powder with high ratios. This was because it was almost always with Alberta clippers and cold air. If temp was marginal for les, we usually ended up with rain or graupel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Living in West Michigan, the les there was almost always powder with high ratios. This was because it was almost always with Alberta clippers and cold air. If temp was marginal for les, we usually ended up with rain or graupel. Yeah, Erie/Ontario have lower ratio stuff then then Michigan and Superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 We should see a nice burst of snow overnight along the front, just behind the change over.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 After an inch of rain last night and temps around 50, some of our Snow pack is still holding on. Sure is ugly and we took a big hit...but looks more wintry than Syracuse down through Binghamton and as we enter PA on our Christmas travels today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: After an inch of rain last night and temps around 50, some of our Snow pack is still holding on. Sure is ugly and we took a big hit...but looks more wintry than Syracuse down through Binghamton and as we enter PA on our Christmas travels today. It’s a different world up there. You lucky bastard!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochesterdave Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 61F at Watertown, 37F at Jamestown. Don’t see that often. Western zones don’t have too far to go. 18z 3k NAM remains interesting for a lot of zones. Especially Roc east to SYR. Lots of moisture still to work with. It’s a race. My best bet is still on upslope areas and Oswego County. I’m still gonna be shocked if kroc ends with over an inch or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, rochesterdave said: It’s a different world up there. You lucky bastard!!! Lol....Today is the first day I have seen patches of grass in our area since the beginning....of NOVEMBER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Cold air on the western side will eventually win out with rain quickly changing over to snow, briefly heavy, as the boundary starts to move east into the Genesee Valley and points east. The result will be a burst of wet snow - large flakes - with snow that sticks to just about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Some lake effect potential on a NW flow, especially south of Oswego county, maybe max can get in on some.. hi rez Canadian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrmax Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Some lake effect potential on a NW flow, especially south of Oswego county, maybe max can get in on some.. hi rez Canadian Hopefully! Hard to think that a White Xmas is possible after today's beautiful weather but looks like we should scrape out a few inches one way or another, thru Sunday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY_WX Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I drove up the Thruway from Utica this afternoon. Beautiful blue skies and the temperature hit 69 on my car thermometer around Canastota As I headed north on 481/81 the temperature started to drop and skies became cloudy. Before I went home I drove over by the boat launch at Oneida Shores park to see the advection fog on Oneida Lake. The temperature there was 48 degrees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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