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13 hours ago, Stormlover74 said:

I don't know #1 but this is an awful list of finalists

http://www.nj.com/weather/index.ssf/2017/04/top_5_tv_weather_forecasters_in_nyc_and_nj_reveale.html#incart_river_mobile_home_pop

 

FINAL VOTE: Who is your favorite TV weather forecaster?

Dave Curren (NEWS 12)

Bill Evans (ABC7)

Amy Freeze (ABC7)

Lonnie Quinn (CBS2)

Mike Woods (FOX 5)

Vote

I am actually shocked that Nick Gregory is not one of the finalists. 

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Year round skiing at Tahoe this year?

"Erdman says July 4 is a no-brainer. Staying open through August, though, is a bit far-fetched but “conceivable,” he says."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-04-18/this-year-you-can-ski-all-summer-in-california-s-squaw-valley?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

 

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19 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

Those were some very basic maps lol.  Do you have any idea when they changed the scale?

They changed it in 2001. That 85 Arctic outbreak was one of the greatest of modern times. A truly amazing display of Arctic sea smoke south of Long Beach with too numerous to count steamnadoes  in the high winds. The record lows just west of NYC were really impressive. That was some AO drop.

1985  1 19 -6.226

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1985/us0121.php

Newark...-8

Philly......-6

Allentown...-9

http://ggweather.com/windchill.htm

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21 minutes ago, bluewave said:

They changed it in 2001. That 85 Arctic outbreak was one of the greatest of modern times. A truly amazing display of Arctic sea smoke south of Long Beach with too numerous steamnadoes to count in the high winds. The record lows just west of NYC were really impressive

Newark...-8

Philly......-6

Allentown...-9

http://ggweather.com/windchill.htm

Thanks for the info.  The 80's had some impressive cold snaps.  It seems our new Winter pattern is warmth, with small bursts of cold that just happen to produce snow like you've said.

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17 minutes ago, JerseyWx said:

Thanks for the info.  The 80's had some impressive cold snaps.  It seems our new Winter pattern is warmth, with small bursts of cold that just happen to produce snow like you've said.

Yeah, the new 2010's climo the last few winters was just enough blocking with minimal cold to produce snowy outcomes. I don't think anyone would have predicted two years ago that we would see two consecutive 30-40 inch snowfall winters with average temperatures near 40 degrees.

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On 4/16/2017 at 2:20 AM, nzucker said:

I lived in Montana during Summer 2010 (one of the coldest Junes on record there), and we had snowflakes in St. Mary, MT on 6/16/10...was mostly a drenching 40F rainstorm at 4500' in town, but the higher peaks of Glacier National Park were snow-covered after the storm passed. A few weeks later, some of the upper elevations of the Park were coated with snow on 7/1...that was the last accumulation of the summer before milder air came, but 5' of snow remained on the ground at Logan Pass (around 6500') into late July. Yes, that's five FEET!

Wow, I imagine there might be some years where they've had snowcover year round.

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2 hours ago, bluewave said:

They changed it in 2001. That 85 Arctic outbreak was one of the greatest of modern times. A truly amazing display of Arctic sea smoke south of Long Beach with too numerous to count steamnadoes  in the high winds. The record lows just west of NYC were really impressive. That was some AO drop.


1985  1 19 -6.226

http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/NARR/1985/us0121.php

Newark...-8

Philly......-6

Allentown...-9

http://ggweather.com/windchill.htm

That was the last arctic shot where we stayed in the single digits for highs if I remember correctly.

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34 minutes ago, Paragon said:

That was the last arctic shot where we stayed in the single digits for highs if I remember correctly.

Yeah, it was the last time NYC had a high in the single digits. 1994 came close at 10 degrees. It was the first time that I ever saw so many steamnadoes off of Long Beach. 

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1 minute ago, bluewave said:

Yeah,it was the last time NYC had a high in the single digits. 1994 came close at 10 degrees.

The only two times in my lifetime that NYC had a single digit high was in 1977 and 1985.  Were there any others since the 60s?

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8 minutes ago, Paragon said:

The only two times in my lifetime that NYC had a single digit high was in 1977 and 1985.  Were there any others since the 60s?

I am sure it was more common during the LIA. But there have only been 14 days since the 1870's in NYC with a single digit high. 1985 was the last time. We had only 2 in the 1930's-1940's before 1985.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Paragon said:

The only two times in my lifetime that NYC had a single digit high was in 1977 and 1985.  Were there any others since the 60s?

1977 had a max of 10...1958 had a max of 10 in Feb...before 1985 the last time there was a max in single digits was 1943...1880-81, 1885-86, 1917-18 and 1942-43 had two outbreaks each...

date...............max min mean

12/20/1884.......7...-4...1.5

12/20/1942.......8...-3...2.5

12/29/1917.......8...-6...1.0

12/30/1917.......2.-13..-5.5

12/30/1880.......4...-6..-1.0

12/31/1917.......6...-7..-0.5

01/03/1879.......7...-4...1.5

01/12/1886.......8....2...5.0

01/13/1912.......8...-3...2.5

01/13/1914.......9...-3...3.0

01/21/1985.......9...-2...3.5

01/24/1882.......6...-6...0.0

02/02/1881.......9...-3...3.0

02/05/1918.......4...-6..-1.0

02/05/1886.......7...-4...1.5

02/08/1895.......8....2...5.0

02/09/1934.......8.-15..-3.5

02/10/1899.......7...-6...0.5

02/11/1899.......9...-2...3.5

02/12/1899.......9....4...6.5

02/15/1943.......8...-8...0.0

02/17/1896.......7...-5...1.0

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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

1977 had a max of 10...1958 had a max of 10 in Feb...before 1985 the last time there was a max in single digits was 1943...1880-81, 1885-86, 1917-18 and 1942-43 had two outbreaks each...

date...............max min mean

12/20/1884.......7...-4...1.5

12/20/1942.......8...-3...2.5

12/29/1917.......8...-6...1.0

12/30/1917.......2.-13..-5.5

12/30/1880.......4...-6..-1.0

12/31/1917.......6...-7..-0.5

01/03/1879.......7...-4...1.5

01/12/1886.......8....2...5.0

01/13/1912.......8...-3...2.5

01/13/1914.......9...-3...3.0

01/21/1985.......9...-2...3.5

01/24/1882.......6...-6...0.0

02/02/1881.......9...-3...3.0

02/05/1918.......4...-6..-1.0

02/05/1886.......7...-4...1.5

02/08/1895.......8....2...5.0

02/09/1934.......8.-15..-3.5

02/10/1899.......7...-6...0.5

02/11/1899.......9...-2...3.5

02/12/1899.......9....4...6.5

02/15/1943.......8...-8...0.0

02/17/1896.......7...-5...1.0

Wow, so 1942-43 was our last truly cold winter in the sense that was the last time we had multiple outbreaks like that and the last time NYC went below -2.

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4 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

Wow that's a massive ridge, somebody's seeing 90s if not multiple days of them. 

Notice the ridge is centered onshore over the Carolinas? :) That's the perfect summer-time location of the ridge to get 100+ degree temps right to JFK :-)  I hope this patterns holds all summer long!  Downsloping west and northwest winds with high heat and low humidity are awesome in the summer!

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1 hour ago, uncle W said:

1977 had a max of 10...1958 had a max of 10 in Feb...before 1985 the last time there was a max in single digits was 1943...1880-81, 1885-86, 1917-18 and 1942-43 had two outbreaks each...

date...............max min mean

12/20/1884.......7...-4...1.5

12/20/1942.......8...-3...2.5

12/29/1917.......8...-6...1.0

12/30/1917.......2.-13..-5.5

12/30/1880.......4...-6..-1.0

12/31/1917.......6...-7..-0.5

01/03/1879.......7...-4...1.5

01/12/1886.......8....2...5.0

01/13/1912.......8...-3...2.5

01/13/1914.......9...-3...3.0

01/21/1985.......9...-2...3.5

01/24/1882.......6...-6...0.0

02/02/1881.......9...-3...3.0

02/05/1918.......4...-6..-1.0

02/05/1886.......7...-4...1.5

02/08/1895.......8....2...5.0

02/09/1934.......8.-15..-3.5

02/10/1899.......7...-6...0.5

02/11/1899.......9...-2...3.5

02/12/1899.......9....4...6.5

02/15/1943.......8...-8...0.0

02/17/1896.......7...-5...1.0

My station had a high temp of 7 degrees on Jan. 19th, 1994.

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