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OK/AR/KS/MO Winter 2016-17 Winter Discussion


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32 minutes ago, NavarreDon said:

 


She moved out there summer of 2008. She was there for the blizzard, tornado, most consecutive days over 100, & some other events. I picked your brain for several of them. This is her first ice storm & she's has a good attitude but worries about power outages and being home bound.


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Ah, well, it's going to warm up on Sat-Sun and Empire Electric has a lot of experience with downed power lines, so I'm not too worried.

It took empire 4 days to get power back up after the tornado to my area and that's with installing a bunch of new poles since the others were splinters.

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Sorry for the spam but just read the latest NWS HWO:

They've bumped up the ice totals a bit from this afternoon.

 
PARTS OF NORTHEAST OKLAHOMA TO THE
NORTHWEST OF INTERSTATE 44 CONTINUE TO BE THE MOST LIKELY
LOCATIONS TO SEE THE GREATEST ICE ACCUMULATIONS...IN EXCESS OF A
QUARTER TO HALF INCH...THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING. ACCUMULATION
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If the Boston Mountains of Arkansas and northeast/east central Oklahoma are what's being seen in the higher resolution models as a type of boundary then they are about 50 to 130 miles off on the freezing line depending on which model you prefer. What subtle elevation effects are usually seen during these types of events are usually experienced around 10-12 miles due south of me.

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3 minutes ago, Cerakoter1984 said:

If the Boston Mountains of Arkansas and northeast/east central Oklahoma are what's being seen in the higher resolution models as a type of boundary then they are about 50 to 130 miles off on the freezing line depending on which model you prefer. What subtle elevation effects are usually seen during these types of events are usually experienced around 10-12 miles due south of me.

Are referring to the warm 'nose' in E OK/W Ark on the models?

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It appears for Kansas City this will be a Saturday night/Sunday morning event with most of the accumulation occurring during that time period. It's possible there will be some scattered light freezing drizzle overnight Friday into Saturday morning. Expecting ice accumulations of .25 to .50 for the area. 

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Nice write up by SGF in their overnight. Look for Warnings & Advisories around midday.

.LONG TERM...(Tonight through Wednesday)
Issued at 329 AM CST Thu Jan 12 2017

This front will then continue to march south this evening before
stalling from northeastern Texas into far northern Mississippi.
Cold air advection will continue behind this front across the
Ozarks as Arctic high pressure strengthens across Minnesota.

By late this evening, a low level jet and isentropic upglide will
commence across southern Missouri as upper level low pressure digs
south along the central California coast. We are expecting
precipitation to break out across far southern Missouri and begin
spreading north into the Highway 60 corridor by sunrise. We have a
hunch that this precipitation may start sooner than some models
are indicating...possibly even before midnight over parts of
southern Missouri.

Precipitation type will largely be freezing rain (or freezing
drizzle) tonight as the freezing line should make it at least to
the Missouri/Arkansas border. Our hunch is that it will actually
make it farther south into northern Arkansas. There may be a few
pockets of sleet mixed in as there will be some weak instability
available.

That band of precipitation will then slowly lift north through
the Missouri Ozarks Friday morning and into Friday afternoon. The
amount of additional re-development south of that band is
somewhat in question as lifting mechanisms become a bit more
questionable. Even at that, very light precipitation still remains
a good bet south of that initial band.

That freezing line may nudge a bit north during the day Friday,
but we remain very skeptical of some model output and their
aggressive northward surge to the freezing line. With northeast or
east-northeast surface winds in place, cold air advection will
continue and likely offset latent heat release of ice accretion.
We are therefore expecting the threat for freezing rain to
continue over most areas with the possible exception of far
southern Missouri during the day on Friday.

Synoptic scale lift will then begin to increase again from Friday
night into Saturday. The fate of the freezing line will be a key
player in precipitation type and continued ice accretion
potential. We continue to go on the colder side of models
regarding surface temperatures. Surface pressure gradients do
become weaker which will decrease cold air advection potential.
This may allow latent heat release from ice accretion to warm
temperatures and slowly nudge that freezing line north across
southern Missouri. However, confidence in its location still
remains low for Friday night and especially Saturday.

That upper level low will then swing out towards the Ozarks from
Saturday night into Sunday which should support the true surface
front beginning to shift north. This should result in rising
temperatures across the area and a changeover to rain over all
areas. Central Missouri will see the latest changeover, but we are
thinking they should be all liquid by midday Sunday. We may even
see some thunderstorms as we head into Monday.

At this time, we expect the highest storm total ice accumulations
to occur roughly along and north of a Pittsburg, Kansas to
Stockton to Rolla, Missouri line. This corridor will likely see a
solid 0.50" to 0.75" with some areas pushing an inch of ice
accumulation. South of this region, areas along and north of the
Highway 60 corridor should see amounts in the 0.25" to 0.50"
range. It should be noted that the Highway 60/Interstate 44
corridors are the general area of least confidence as that
freezing line will likely be meandering across this area. Areas of
far southern Missouri should see amounts from a thin glaze up to
two tenths of an inch as the changeover to rain will occur much
sooner.

After collaboration with neighboring offices, we have decided to
maintain the Winter Storm Watch for now. We want the 12Z models
and the higher resolution/rapid refresh models to get a better
handle on that front and air mass before making final decisions
on warnings/advisories. Unless something drastically changes, we
expect any warnings and advisories to be issued by around midday.
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06z NAM has trended a bit further south with the freezing line. GFS is still the warmest. The discrepancy with regards to temps for the event is still crazy for places like OKC, Tulsa, and Springfield (MO) with these two models. WFOs seem to be lining up closer toward NAM guidance. 

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22 F this morning in OKC with a dewpoint of 14 F.  I don't remember exactly what the models were showing but that seems colder than what I was seeing over the past few days.  Regardless, there is nothing left to do now but wait to see where those temps and dewpoints are this time tomorrow morning.  

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I am just not comfortable with this situation considering the variance in solutions from this system. Whoever said that it may be a nowcast situation was certainly right. I know most events usually are, but this one maybe more so than normal. 

To me, one of the key things I will be watching is if we warm up as forecast this afternoon. That will give me an indication if the cold air is a bit stronger than initially forecast. 

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16 minutes ago, Wx 24/7 said:

I am just not comfortable with this situation considering the variance in solutions from this system. Whoever said that it may be a nowcast situation was certainly right. I know most events usually are, but this one maybe more so than normal. 

To me, one of the key things I will be watching is if we warm up as forecast this afternoon. That will give me an indication if the cold air is a bit stronger than initially forecast. 

I was thinking the same thing RE: This afternoon's high temps.  I don't remember exactly, but early this week, they were calling for highs here in the 50s today.  Yesterday, they forecast 48 F for today.  Now, they just updated today's high to 42 F.  As of this moment, we are still in the upper 20s in the immediate OKC area.  I am now wondering if we will even get to 40 F today.  If we stay colder today, it just means we will need less wetbulbing when the rain starts overnight.  Since the rain is expected to be fairly light to start, if we are already at or near freezing, that just means more ice is going to accrete more quickly tomorrow morning.   

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1 minute ago, JMT417 said:

Well...GFS was a little off...already 28 in Joplin and 32 in Springfield.

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This is just personal bias, but whenever the Euro shows one thing, and the GFS shows something much different, I'm usually going to side with the Euro.  (As many others would too)

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