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Feb 7 Winter Storm


Brick Tamland

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SHORT RANGE MODELS INDICATE THAT A CLOSEDH5 LOW WILL TRACK ACROSS THE DEEP SOUTH SUNDAY MORNING. AT H3...THECORE OF A 135 KTS JET WILL LIFT ALONG THE ATLANTIC COAST OF THECAROLINAS SUNDAY MORNING. SHORT RANGE MODELS INDICATE THAT SFC LOWPRESSURE WILL RAPIDLY ORGANIZE AND DEEPEN OFF THE SC COAST BETWEEN0Z TO 12Z SUNDAY. BY 0Z MONDAY...THE 12Z GFS INDICATES H7 OMEGAINCREASING TO OVER 150 UBAR/S ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE SFC LOWCENTER. SIMPLY PUT, THIS ENVIROMENT IS EXPECTED TO RESULT INEXPLOSIVE OR BOMB CYCLOGENESIS ON SUNDAY. THE 12Z NAM IS THE MOSTREACTIVE WITH CENTRAL PRESSURE FALLING FROM 1017 MB AT 0Z SUN TO 984MB AT 21Z SUN. HOWEVER...THE 12Z GFS AND ECMWF INDICATE A VERYSIMILAR RATE OF PRESSURE FALLS. THIS WOULD MEET OR EXCEED THEPRESSURE FALL RATE TO QUALIFY AS A BOMB CYCLONE.
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I will say 2000 is similar because of the rapid cyclogenesis and the low location, but the track is completely off (I guess that could trend better...doubtful though) and the temps are horrible. Surface temps were below freezing before cyclogenesis in 2000, I think they're in the mid 40's here. There's a reason only SC gets snow in this situation, right place and right time. We're simply missing the cold for another 2000 repeat in NC. 850's are fine on the NAM, but I'd be worried about WAA if this tracks west more. It's just not cold enough. 

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I will say 2000 is similar because of the rapid cyclogenesis and the low location, but the track is completely off (I guess that could trend better...doubtful though) and the temps are horrible. Surface temps were below freezing before cyclogenesis in 2000, I think they're in the mid 40's here. There's a reason only SC gets snow in this situation, right place and right time. We're simply missing the cold for another 2000 repeat in NC. 850's are fine on the NAM, but I'd be worried about WAA if this tracks west more. It's just not cold enough. 

 

Didn't January 2000 start out as rain in Raleigh?  Or am I remembering it wrong?

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I will say 2000 is similar because of the rapid cyclogenesis and the low location, but the track is completely off (I guess that could trend better...doubtful though) and the temps are horrible. Surface temps were below freezing before cyclogenesis in 2000, I think they're in the mid 40's here. There's a reason only SC gets snow in this situation, right place and right time. We're simply missing the cold for another 2000 repeat in NC. 850's are fine on the NAM, but I'd be worried about WAA if this tracks west more. It's just not cold enough. 

 

Living in RDU in 2000, didn't the precip start as light rain with temps around 40, transition to sleet, and then heavy snow? I'm almost positive that's what it did at my house, at least.

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that reality has been seen in the real world water vapor loops for a short time......closing off that fast is a new development but clearly the first bit of energy eject ne and left behind the upper low from the north that indeed is close to closing off......i thought it would happen east of texas earlier.

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I will say 2000 is similar because of the rapid cyclogenesis and the low location, but the track is completely off (I guess that could trend better...doubtful though) and the temps are horrible. Surface temps were below freezing before cyclogenesis in 2000, I think they're in the mid 40's here. There's a reason only SC gets snow in this situation, right place and right time. We're simply missing the cold for another 2000 repeat in NC. 850's are fine on the NAM, but I'd be worried about WAA if this tracks west more. It's just not cold enough. 

Yes to the bolded. I don't believe it was below freezing here at CAE when the event started though

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Didn't January 2000 start out as rain in Raleigh?  Or am I remembering it wrong?

No it didn't, maybe earlier that evening somewhere but it started as light snow at RDU....there's a -RA at 1750 but it didn't last long

 

RDU 2000-01-24 17:51 -RA

RDU 2000-01-24 18:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 19:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 20:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 21:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 22:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 23:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 00:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 01:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 02:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 03:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 04:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 05:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 06:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 07:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 08:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 09:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 10:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 11:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 12:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 13:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 14:04 -SN

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Yes to the bolded. I don't believe it was below freezing here at CAE when the event started though

 

We weren't.  I was in school... it was raining but cold the majority of the day... within an hour or two icicles started to form on signs, breezeways.. next thing we knew within an hour of icicles on elevated surfaces heavy amounts of snow poured out of the sky.  Had to try early dismissal.. didn't work.. everything went crazy on the roads..  buses crashing and frantic parents.

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No it didn't, maybe earlier that evening somewhere but it started as light snow at RDU....there's a -RA at 1750 but it didn't last long

 

RDU 2000-01-24 17:51 -RA

RDU 2000-01-24 18:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 19:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 20:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 21:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 22:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 23:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 00:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 01:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 02:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 03:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 04:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 05:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 06:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 07:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 08:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 09:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 10:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 11:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 12:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 13:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 14:04 -SN

 

Ah, okay, that is what I am thinking of.  I guess it was the initial light rain.  A lot of our big storms start as light rain briefly before going over to snow (sometimes because the BL needs to wet bulb, etc.).

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No it didn't, maybe earlier that evening somewhere but it started as light snow at RDU....there's a -RA at 1750 but it didn't last long

 

RDU 2000-01-24 17:51 -RA

RDU 2000-01-24 18:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 19:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 20:51 M

RDU 2000-01-24 21:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 22:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-24 23:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 00:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 01:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 02:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 03:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 04:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 05:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 06:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 07:51 +SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 08:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 09:51 SN FZFG

RDU 2000-01-25 10:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 11:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 12:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 13:51 -SN BR

RDU 2000-01-25 14:04 -SN

 

Tough to disagree with, but I'm going to have to. I specifically remember it raining lightly leaving school, and then sleeting for an hour or two (which turned into a solid layer of ice later) before turning to snow. This was in North Raleigh near Falls/Six Forks.

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Tough to disagree with, but I'm going to have to. I specifically remember it raining lightly leaving school, and then sleeting for an hour or two (which turned into a solid layer of ice later) before turning to snow. This was in North Raleigh near Falls/Six Forks.

2000 started as rain/sleet and quickly went to sleet, then snow. We were dealing with a fresh cold and dry air mass. Evap cooling brought the temp down quickly. This air mass is completely different.

Alright, I probably don't remember I was fairly young at the time (14) so you guys win here. Would imagine we would see a decent duration of sleet on OBS though, strange. 

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January 2000 involved two storm systems. The first one dumped a torrent of cold rain and thunderstorms in SC. That first SFC went offshore and stalled when the 2nd piece of vigorous s/w dove down and caused a rapid development and instant occlusion of the storm that night and caused it to drive due north. I went into dry slot in the afternoon when the comma head started producing down here after 830pm.

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Comparing where the 0z GFS from last night had the 850mb low cutting off with what the 18z GFS just showed, you can see that its development has expanded around 100 miles closer to the SC coast. Also, the trough orientation is much more neutral/slightly negative on the 18z compared to the 0z. This is why more moisture is being pulled ashore. If the 850mb can close off earlier/go negative earlier.. the 5h will capture it and proceed to bomb out.

0z

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18z

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January 2000 involved two storm systems. The first one dumped a torrent of cold rain and thunderstorms in SC. That first SFC went offshore and stalled when the 2nd piece of vigorous s/w dove down and caused a rapid development and instant occlusion of the storm that night and caused it to drive due north. I went into dry slot in the afternoon when the comma head started producing down here after 830pm.

That was one of the most beautiful things I have witnessed while living here  :lol: 

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