Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    17,508
    Total Members
    7,904
    Most Online
    joxey
    Newest Member
    joxey
    Joined

Christmas Grinch Storm Potential


Chicago Storm

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 982
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Looks like that could support at least some snow, particularly at YXU and areas to the west of YYZ. Would like to see lower surface temps at YYZ for better snow chances.

If flow stays more W/WNW it prevents significant down sloping and probably means OP models are underestimating QPF E of Lk Huron via squalls/fast moving LE banding as inversion heights look high behind the low. If the flow backs more then its a different story... it will all come down to track.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Euro text for YXU and YYZ. Agree that LL lapse rates look too gradual at this point.

 

YYZ

 

ECMWF Deterministic FORECAST FOR: YYZ    LAT=  43.67 LON=  -79.63 ELE=   568

                                            12Z DEC19

                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000 

                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500 

                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK 

TUE 12Z 23-DEC   1.1    -0.1    1016      91      88    0.00     552     539    

TUE 18Z 23-DEC   3.9     2.2    1013      95      94    0.04     553     543    

WED 00Z 24-DEC   4.3     3.5    1011      93      47    0.00     554     545    

WED 06Z 24-DEC   4.2     5.9    1006      96      88    0.02     553     548    

WED 12Z 24-DEC   4.9     6.6     998      96      90    0.09     550     551    

WED 18Z 24-DEC   7.2     6.4     986      96      99    0.31     542     554    

THU 00Z 25-DEC   6.3     4.4     977      91      97    0.57     529     548    

THU 06Z 25-DEC   2.2    -3.9     977      93      84    0.12     514     533    

THU 12Z 25-DEC   1.8    -4.3     976      93      98    0.13     513     533    

THU 18Z 25-DEC   2.1    -5.5     982      83      98    0.20     518     533    

FRI 00Z 26-DEC   1.5    -7.0     995      80      94    0.08     527     531

 

ECMWF Deterministic FORECAST FOR: YXU    LAT=  43.03 LON=  -81.15 ELE=   912

 

YXU

                                            12Z DEC19

                 2 M     850     SFC     SFC     700    6 HR     500    1000 

                 TMP     TMP     PRS     RHU     RHU     QPF     HGT     500 

                 ©     ©    (MB)    (PCT)   (PCT)   (IN)    (DM)     THK 

TUE 12Z 23-DEC   1.4     1.4    1014      93      93    0.02     551     540    

TUE 18Z 23-DEC   5.0     2.9    1010      92      70    0.03     552     544    

WED 00Z 24-DEC   5.3     4.1    1008      94      57    0.02     553     547    

WED 06Z 24-DEC   5.1     6.1    1002      95      92    0.07     551     549    

WED 12Z 24-DEC   6.7     6.5     994      96      95    0.16     547     551    

WED 18Z 24-DEC   9.3     6.3     981      93      96    0.39     537     553    

THU 00Z 25-DEC   1.6    -1.2     976      99      58    0.33     523     542    

THU 06Z 25-DEC   0.9    -4.0     976      97     100    0.16     512     532    

THU 12Z 25-DEC   0.9    -4.7     978      94      99    0.33     515     533    

THU 18Z 25-DEC   0.9    -6.2     987      85      96    0.29     522     532    

FRI 00Z 26-DEC   0.6    -7.6     999      72      60    0.08     531     532

 

Looks like QPF was beefed up with the wrap-around but temps are concerning. Would be nice to pull the storm east a touch, but considering the EURO is already on the eastern side of guidance, that may be asking for too much.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Numerical Model Prediction

2pm EDT December 19: NOAA is experiencing a large data outage that is affecting all American models including the GFS, NAM, GEFS, and GEPS. The ECMWF should plot fine. I will update as things change.

The network mess caused some of my 12z CMC data to become corrupted. Some plots did not finish for 12z. Tropical tidbits.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

ggem spins the low over n. MI and wraps moisture around it hitting IL, IN, and OH pretty good.   More of the ensembles are beginning to get more bullish on wrap around, (granted that's always an iffy way to get snow at best).   If the low is strong enough and slow enough, with that kind of neg tilt in the trough, it's totally possible to wrap in a conveyor belt from the atlantic.    

 

Still lots to sort out....regardless, I still think the sweet spot for this will be in MI somewhere.

post-622-0-04739100-1419018571_thumb.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Numerical Model Prediction

2pm EDT December 19: NOAA is experiencing a large data outage that is affecting all American models including the GFS, NAM, GEFS, and GEPS. The ECMWF should plot fine. I will update as things change.

The network mess caused some of my 12z CMC data to become corrupted. Some plots did not finish for 12z. Tropical tidbits.

Just pure speculation, wonder if it was a cyber attack, and if the attackers know just how bad the American models can be.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

You would think, but if you were a North Korean hacker I am sure you would assume the American suites were the best.

If I were a member of glorious leader Kim Jong Un's elite, shadowy cyberwarfare commando corps intent on disrupting the best model suite I am sure I would do the onerous legwork of googling it, knowing that my unswerving antlike communist dedication to Great Juche Thought would protect me from the cascade of imperialist propaganda and misinformation I'd encounter in the process
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Unplug the GFS and leave it powered off.

Agree. The paralegic GFS might be better, but it's still anywhere from the 3rd to 5th best global model depending on the scenaro. For significant weather, it still gets occasionally outdone by the NOGAPS. Not to needlessly gripe or anything, but we are hardly flying blind if we lose the GFS data.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Agree. The paralegic GFS might be better, but it's still anywhere from the 3rd to 5th best global model depending on the scenaro. For significant weather, it still gets occasionally outdone by the NOGAPS. Not to needlessly gripe or anything, but we are hardly flying blind if we lose the GFS data.

I know, my sarcasm regarding the GFS got lost in transmission. My bad.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

In the event that the gfs can no longer fulfill it's duties, it's time to dust off the vice prez of mods....

 

the experimental FIM ,(aka Hoosier's Favorite)

 

 

Anything and everything is fair game for a looksy with a storm on the way...heck I might even check the CRAS at some point.   :bag: 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Trough axis doesn't support anything east of the apps. The nams high resolution runs already are poo pooing that idea.

 

 

If it digs far enough south then a southern solution would become more likely imo.  I don't know whether it turns into an east coast storm, I'd say more like eastern lakes storm in that scenario.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...