JC-CT Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Anyways back on topic....that cold across far interior and NNE is NOT going to erode as models have. Fact, not opinion. Today is example 2 since last week about how woeful models are. Boston won't even warm sector today.Why weren't you picked as a mod? You literally don't just read them, but you actually reply to every post in this subforum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Anyways back on topic....that cold across far interior and NNE is NOT going to erode as models have. Fact, not opinion. Today is example 2 since last week about how woeful models are. Boston won't even warm sector today. Been saying this for about a week as well, My low yesterday was 5.5°F with many in Northern Maine well below zero, Models just cant resolve CAD very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Why weren't you picked as a mod? You literally don't just read them, but you actually reply to every post in this subforum. I enjoy talking weather. It's a disease..probably not healthy, but it's what I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I enjoy talking weather. It's a disease..probably not healthy, but it's what I do.You live what you love, you are truly blessed. I'm just going to go talk to myself about Subpart F and capitalization thresholds now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Been saying this for about a week as well, My low yesterday was 5.5°F with many in Northern Maine well below zero, Models just cant resolve CAD very well I have a sneaking suspicion that happens with the forester..And there may be more widespread icing than is being talked about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Been saying this for about a week as well, My low yesterday was 5.5°F with many in Northern Maine well below zero, Models just cant resolve CAD very well We'd appreciate some of that cooler air down here, Jeff. Mind lending some? 31.6/31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I enjoy talking weather. It's a disease..probably not healthy, but it's what I do. And you have 77,133 posts doing just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Dec is not a rain month. I'm sorry if you don't agree. It should be snowing. Pissing away 3 weeks of a true winter month suckswinter starts Mid Dec in Ct always has always will no matter how much you dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Anyways back on topic....that cold across far interior and NNE is NOT going to erode as models have. Fact, not opinion. Today is example 2 since last week about how woeful models are. Boston won't even warm sector today. Dead serious, but how does the cut-off and wrapped up look interact with the CAD? Maybe the SFC stays cold, but is think there's only so long of east flow that you can have before it warms up? Or are mid-levels are bigger problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 winter starts Mid Dec in Ct always has always will no matter how much you dream. That is honestly one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Dead serious, but how does the cut-off and wrapped up look interact with the CAD? Maybe the SFC stays cold, but is think there's only so long of east flow that you can have before it warms up? Or are mid-levels are bigger problem? Well I think I understand what you mean. I mean if the low stalled for two days then yeah areas may rot at like 34-35 or so. But if it stalls for less then 24 hours and wobbles east, maybe it tickles 32F and then slowly cools. At that point, you are also cooling the mid levels as well. Cutoffs and occlusions generally have falling heights over you. Of course it depends on your locations. Lewiston, ME would be more prone to warm with a stalled low helping to prolong easterly flow, compared to Jackman, ME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 That is honestly one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on hereclimo is a b**ch, you average a above freezing temp and 6 inches of snow up to Dec 15th, deep deep winter. When are you going to understand you don't live in NNE or the Berks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Meanwhile for those in ern MA, some signs of a coastal front enhanced -SN Monday aftn and Monday night. Could be one of those situations of a band or perhaps just cellular snow showers moving in from the east and enhanced by CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 We'd appreciate some of that cooler air down here, Jeff. Mind lending some? 31.6/31 I would like to Mike, Usually a high over QUE will do the trick for you, In a crap pattern like this its very helpful up here being closer to the source, But it can go the other way as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Well I think I understand what you mean. I mean if the low stalled for two days then yeah areas may rot at like 34-35 or so. But if it stalls for less then 24 hours and wobbles east, maybe it tickles 32F and then slowly cools. At that point, you are also cooling the mid levels as well. Cutoffs and occlusions generally have falling heights over you. Of course it depends on your locations. Lewiston, ME would be more prone to warm with a stalled low helping to prolong easterly flow, compared to Jackman, ME. Jackman would be attaching a second yardstick, I would thump then taint when the air mass gets eroded by easterly's, I need wind NNE to remain cold and snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 That is honestly one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on hereNot really. We can't all be microclimates at 980 feet that can spit flurries out its fanny, but even you have to deal with the reality that many years we are still looking for our first plowable event right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 climo is a b**ch, you average a above freezing temp and 6 inches of snow up to Dec 15th, deep deep winter. When are you going to understand you don't live in NNE or the Berks. haha can't argue with that climo stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 haha can't argue with that climo stuff.Wanna make a bet with Kevin on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 When I speak of CP it's a SE of ORH , you are a different climo. The CP has issues with ST origin You mean se MA up to Boston....well, sometimes in a perfect scenario, those areas get hit hard this early, too. Dec 2003 smoked Boston.... I know what you mean, though.....99% of the time that rule is applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Not really. We can't all be microclimates at 980 feet that can spit flurries out its fanny, but even you have to deal with the reality that many years we are still looking for our first plowable event right now.This notion that somehow the first 2-3 weeks of December isn't supposed to snow or be wintry is just crazy. I'd venture to say half to 3/4 of our lives there's been snow and cold in early and middle December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Jackman would be attaching a second yardstick, I would thump then taint when the air mass gets eroded by easterly's, I need wind NNE to remain cold and snow Yeah I was just using you as an example of the ageo flow eventually weakening if the low stalled for 2 days and marine puke invades the interior. But, you can be the farm models are too quick to warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 This notion that somehow the first 2-3 weeks of December isn't supposed to snow or be wintry is just crazy. I'd venture to say half to 3/4 of our lives there's been snow and cold in early and middle December. Isn't supposed to be, and generally not snowy are two different things. First half of December generally is not a snowy time across SNE even at 1,000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 NAM may be good for a sneaky inch or two, esp NW of BOS with that OES/CF deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Isn't supposed to be, and generally not snowy are two different things. First half of December generally is not a snowy time across SNE even at 1,000ft.I just can't find any ounce of me that can find any truth to that. All those snowstorms and cold outbreaks of past Dec weren't supposed to happen because of climo? Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Yeah I was just using you as an example of the ageo flow eventually weakening if the low stalled for 2 days and marine puke invades the interior. But, you can be the farm models are too quick to warm. Yes without the high holding its place it would be like a retrograding low backing in from the ENE, We could sustain the colder air mass for a time but the warmer air would win out here on the coastal plain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 This notion that somehow the first 2-3 weeks of December isn't supposed to snow or be wintry is just crazy. I'd venture to say half to 3/4 of our lives there's been snow and cold in early and middle December. What Scooter said, it isn't supposed to be cold and snowy, although sometimes it is. It is the typical period of transition from fall to winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 The first half of December usually isn't known as a snowy time, Kevin. Of course it can be, but climo certainly ramps up after the 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I just can't find any ounce of me that can find any truth to that. All those snowstorms and cold outbreaks of past Dec weren't supposed to happen because of climo? NahWhat part of 6" thru Dec 15 is confusing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 The first half of December usually isn't known as a snowy time, Kevin. Of course it can be, but climo certainly ramps up after the 15th. Well maybe I'm on my own in those beliefs..but I'll certainly go to the grave with them..It's always been my thought that people associate cold and snow with DJF..and that's usually the best 3 month period of winter..Some years you get wintry Novembers and occasionally a March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 NAM looks like a nasty commute Tues morning near and NW of BOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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