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Possible Snow Threats and Upcoming Cold Spell


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Probably not correct and even if it was, I don't think we'd get much if any accumulation. One can see on the fous data that when one level of the atmosphere is cold enough, another is too warm. Starts out with upper levels too warm, ends up with surface and lower levels too warm. Even if some sleet and a few wet flakes fly with temps in the low-mid 30s at best, it should amount to little or nothing.

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I think that, if it was correct, there could be an inch or two in the park.  However, I do agree that its probably not correct and if some sleet and snow do mix in, they are unlikely to accumulate in the park.

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For what it's worth, the UKMET is a bit south/cooler than the 12z run, although 850mb temps are still too warm for the city and the closer western suburbs at hour 36. I'm not too optimistic about this one here, although hopefully there could still be a quick inch (maybe 2" at most) for the nearby suburbs before the changeover. NW NJ, SE NY and southern CT IMO look to be the better spots for at least 2-4".

 

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Euro pretty much holds. And it actually cooled the surface off a tick.

It's also a much shorter event on the euro. The majority of the precip falls 1am to 7am, .36", and only .09" more after 7am.

In and out quickly.

At 7am, hour 36, NYC surface is 33.5 degrees and the 850's are below zero. There is really nothing but light drizzle and rain left after that period.

Euro verbatim, is probably 1"-3 of snow for the immediate NYC area and then drizzle for a couple hours and dry by 10am.

A surface temp of 33.5 degrees and the time of the event, 1am to 7am, can easily accumulate. Especially on non-paved surfaces.

This of course presumes the euro is correct. It's light years colder then the gfs.

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If there were a cold air source, I'd feel a lot better about doing well in a borderline situation. That would help prevent warmer dewpoints from advecting into the area. The early November event had a nice cold, dry high to the north.

That being said, climo is certainly on our side given that it is mid January now. Just seeing some flakes would be nice, and that appears to be possible.

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If there were a cold air source, I'd feel a lot better about doing well in a borderline situation. That would help prevent warmer dewpoints from advecting into the area. The early November event had a nice cold, dry high to the north.

That being said, climo is certainly on our side given that it is mid January now. Just seeing some flakes would be nice, and that appears to be possible.

It's a bit odd that the euro is the coldest guidance out of all. Even colder then the cold bias hi-res models. The surface freezing line is even colder then the 12z run was. At hour 36, it's below 32 to the coast of SWCT. On the 12z run, the 32 degree line was north of that by a good 25 miles.

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If there were a cold air source, I'd feel a lot better about doing well in a borderline situation. That would help prevent warmer dewpoints from advecting into the area. The early November event had a nice cold, dry high to the north.

That being said, climo is certainly on our side given that it is mid January now. Just seeing some flakes would be nice, and that appears to be possible.

It's a bit odd that the euro is the coldest guidance out of all. Even colder then the cold bias hi-res models. The surface freezing line is even colder then the 12z run was. At hour 36, it's below 32 to the coast of SWCT. On the 12z run, the 32 degree line was north of that by a good 25 miles.

Yeah, that is odd. It has actually been pretty cold in the short term this season. Though a distinct time when it was colder than all other guidance was for the November 7 event, and we all know what happened then.

But for that event, at least the GFS wasn't hideously warm...it was certainly warmer than other guidance but not the torch that this run currently is

Although there is no true high around, there is a lot of cold air available to the north had there been a high - something we haven't had in a while. Maybe just a little ageostrophic flow can be enough to bring some of that down. We'll see.

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Looks to be a typical I-78 north storm. Rich get richer. Lol zucker will be happy. Most of the models have warmed to the middle rd

Still looks like a sloppy, non-accumulating mix here in Westchester on the 06z GFS. I'm not that convinced of this threat since dynamics are low and the airmass is marginal. GFS is probably a little too warm but it's probably like 1" on grassy surfaces for the NW suburbs, not a big deal in mid-January. The airmass behind it is trending colder, however, so Friday looks frigid. 

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Still looks like a sloppy, non-accumulating mix here in Westchester on the 06z GFS. I'm not that convinced of this threat since dynamics are low and the airmass is marginal. GFS is probably a little too warm but it's probably like 1" on grassy surfaces for the NW suburbs, not a big deal in mid-January. The airmass behind it is trending colder, however, so Friday looks frigid.

Agreed- this is a wet road event for anyone south & east of 287 with maybe a slushy inch on grassy surfaces. 

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Goodbye to our chances of a half inch of slush :(

Where do you live? If it's from the city on east you never really had a shot at anything more than a few wet snow flakes mixing in at the start.

Lol I know...I'm in northeast metro NJ. I was saying at most a half inch or so here anyway even when it showed 2-3...we'll get ours soon.....maybe in 228 hours or so....on the GFS....until 12z :P

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Surprised this hasn't gotten more attention. Big storm showing up on the GFS in the 10-14 day range. Phases a system with the PV. Big storm.

 

Been awhile since we've gotten some good model fantasy porn

 

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That's probably the best time of the month to start looking for something more significant here than a clipper snow threat.

Once the PV weakens relaxing the suppression, day 11-15 holds better potential for something more interesting.

 

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Maybe something better

 

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