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The transition has to extra tropical is underway. Sandy is still a formidable cyclone and the 'appearance' will likely be rather impressive over the next several days. Gale force winds extend well away from the center will expand in the days ahead.

Thanks.It looks like a drumstick to be honest. AT what point does the NHC make that declaration that it is sub/extra tropical...and do you think it will happen sooner than on their track map?

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Sorry was half awake. Feel like some people would under prepare if people call it a noreaster.

I understand your reasoning behind calling it that however.

Yes and no. Natives from NY/NJ know the implications of serious nor'easters. Honestly, I think a number of nor'easters we had in the 90s (December '92, March '93 etc.) and in recent years (March '10?) were worse than any tropical system we have had up here, including Irene. Then again, I don't live on the ocean, just near Jamaica Bay in Queens, where the worst we deal with are streets that become shallow rivers in major storms.

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URNT12 KNHC 261336

VORTEX DATA MESSAGE AL182012

A. 26/13:21:50Z

B. 26 deg 32 min N

076 deg 55 min W

C. 700 mb 2843 m

D. 62 kt

E. 310 deg 60 nm

F. 033 deg 68 kt

G. 310 deg 89 nm

H. 972 mb

I. 9 C / 3109 m

J. 14 C / 3105 m

K. 12 C / NA

L. NA

M. NA

N. 1345 / 7

O. 0.02 / 2 nm

P. AF309 1018A SANDY OB 12

MAX FL WIND 73 KT N QUAD 12:34:30Z

Convective band 30-80nm Northwest of center

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11:00 AM NHC Discussion

STRONG SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR AND THE INTRUSION OF DRY AIR

CONTINUES TO AFFECT THE HURRICANE...AS VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGES

SHOW THAT THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER OF SANDY IS EXPOSED TO THE SOUTH OF

THE MAIN MASS OF CONVECTION. USING A BLEND OF FLIGHT-LEVEL AND

SFMR WINDS FROM THE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT YIELDS A CURRENT

INTENSITY ESTIMATE OF 70 KT. DYNAMICAL MODELS SHOW AN ADDITIONAL

INCREASE IN SHEAR OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS...WHICH SHOULD CAUSE AT

LEAST SLIGHT WEAKENING. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD...GLOBAL

MODELS SHOW SOME RE-INTENSIFICATION OF THE CYCLONE...WHICH IS VERY

LIKELY DUE TO BAROCLINIC INFLUENCES. BY 72 HOURS...THE MODELS SHOW

SIGNIFICANT COLD AIR ADVECTION OVER THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE

CIRCULATION...WHICH SHOULD HASTEN THE EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION

PROCESS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS THE SYSTEM AS POST-TROPICAL

AT 96 HOURS...THOUGH THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE TIMING OF

THE TRANSITION. REGARDLESS...WHETHER SANDY IS OFFICIALLY TROPICAL

OR POST-TROPICAL AT LANDFALL WILL HAVE LITTLE BEARING ON THE

IMPACTS.

LATEST FIXES FROM HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT SHOW A VERY SLOW MOTION

WITH THE CENTER APPEARING TO HAVE TURNED NORTHWARD. THE CURRENT

MOTION ESTIMATE IS 360/5. SANDY IS EXPECTED TO ESCAPE THE

INFLUENCE OF A MID- TO UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH AND TO BEGIN TO MOVE

NORTH-NORTHEASTWARD TO NORTHEASTWARD WITH AN INCREASE IN FORWARD

SPEED OVER THE NEXT FEW DAYS. A SHORTWAVE TROUGH NEAR THE PACIFIC

NORTHWEST COAST IS FORECAST TO MOVE EAST-SOUTHEASTWARD AND DIG AS

IT APPROACHES THE EASTERN U.S. COAST BY 72 HOURS. THE FLOW ON THE

NORTHEAST SIDE OF THIS SHORTWAVE SHOULD CAUSE SANDY TO TURN TOWARD

THE NORTH AND NORTHWEST TOWARD THE COAST. THE OFFICIAL TRACK

FORECAST IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS ONE AND ALSO VERY CLOSE TO

THE LATEST DYNAMICAL MODEL CONSENSUS. USERS ARE REMINDED TO NOT

FOCUS ON THE DETAILS OF THE TRACK FORECAST LATE IN THE PERIOD...AS

SANDY IS EXPECTED TO BRING IMPACTS TO A LARGE PART OF THE U.S. EAST

COAST INTO EARLY NEXT WEEK.

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11:00 AM NHC Discussion

STRONG SOUTH-SOUTHWESTERLY SHEAR AND THE INTRUSION OF DRY AIR

CONTINUES TO AFFECT THE HURRICANE...AS VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGES

SHOW THAT THE LOW-LEVEL CENTER OF SANDY IS EXPOSED TO THE SOUTH OF

THE MAIN MASS OF CONVECTION. USING A BLEND OF FLIGHT-LEVEL AND

SFMR WINDS FROM THE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT YIELDS A CURRENT

INTENSITY ESTIMATE OF 70 KT. DYNAMICAL MODELS SHOW AN ADDITIONAL

INCREASE IN SHEAR OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS...WHICH SHOULD CAUSE AT

LEAST SLIGHT WEAKENING. LATER IN THE FORECAST PERIOD...GLOBAL

MODELS SHOW SOME RE-INTENSIFICATION OF THE CYCLONE...WHICH IS VERY

LIKELY DUE TO BAROCLINIC INFLUENCES. BY 72 HOURS...THE MODELS SHOW

SIGNIFICANT COLD AIR ADVECTION OVER THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE

CIRCULATION...WHICH SHOULD HASTEN THE EXTRATROPICAL TRANSITION

PROCESS. THE OFFICIAL FORECAST SHOWS THE SYSTEM AS POST-TROPICAL

AT 96 HOURS...THOUGH THERE IS SOME UNCERTAINTY AS TO THE TIMING OF

THE TRANSITION. REGARDLESS...WHETHER SANDY IS OFFICIALLY TROPICAL

OR POST-TROPICAL AT LANDFALL WILL HAVE LITTLE BEARING ON THE

IMPACTS.

I have real-time maps that illustrate this nicely. Shading is TRMM3B42 rain rates, multicolored contours are 850 hPa cyclonic vorticity, and vectors are total 200 hPa winds. You can see strong southwesterly upper-level winds superimposed over the low-level vortex of Sandy. As a result, most of the stronger rains are to the northeast of the low-level vortex.

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Link to this: http://www.atmos.albany.edu/student/ventrice/real_time/maps/u850/total/atlantic.html

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11 am forecast track. Shows Sandy as Post-Tropical inland with sustained winds of hurricane force..lol. I think thats the first time I have ever seen that for a storm making landfall in the US.

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Im sure there have been many nor'easters with hurricane force winds/gusts/

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That's a pretty sharp cut to the NW. Usually doesn't work out that way in the end. Gotta be one helluva block!

It sure is a helluva block. Load up 30 frames here and watch the retrograde begin under the upper level ridge. You can see the trough out west sharpening dramatically in response.

http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastnhewv.html

There was a westward moving shortwave over Ireland yesterday that is now half-way across the north Atlantic.

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NHC should try to put more emphasis on the hybrid aspect....instead of the weakening aspect.

Once the media notices the hurricane has weakened...they think it's over..

Hybrids are a whole other breed..

example :

USERS ARE REMINDED TO NOT FOCUS ON THE DETAILS OF THE TRACK FORECAST LATE IN THE PERIOD...AS

should also include -

USERS ARE REMINDED TO NOT FOCUS ON THE WEAKENING IN ITS CURRENT TROPICAL STATE.

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