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Izzi trashing the nogaps

GIVEN THE WIDELY VARYING SOLUTIONS...WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT AS MUCH OF

A CHANCE NAILING THE DETAILS OF THE FORECAST USING A METEOROLOGICAL

OUIJA BOARD AS WE WOULD TRYING TO PICK THE BEST MODEL GUIDANCE AT

THIS POINT. BY 12Z SATURDAY GEM HAS THE CLOSED LOW OVER NEW

MEXICO...THE GFS OVER ONTARIO...AND ECMWF AND NOGAPS OVER ILLINOIS.

IF THE FACT THE NOGAPS IS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE FORECAST

PROCESS ISNT A SURE SIGN THAT CONFIDENCE IS LOW IM NOT SURE WHAT IS!

THE NOGAPS/ECMWF SOLUTIONS WOULD RESULT IN A POTENTIALLY

SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY WHILE THE GEM/GFS WOULD

BE DRY (BUT FOR STARKLY DIFFERING REASONS). GIVEN THE LOW CONFIDENCE

IN THE FORECAST MADE NO CHANGES TO THE BLENDED INITIALIZATION FRIDAY

NIGHT ONWARD.

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Izzi trashing the nogaps

GIVEN THE WIDELY VARYING SOLUTIONS...WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT AS MUCH OF

A CHANCE NAILING THE DETAILS OF THE FORECAST USING A METEOROLOGICAL

OUIJA BOARD AS WE WOULD TRYING TO PICK THE BEST MODEL GUIDANCE AT

THIS POINT. BY 12Z SATURDAY GEM HAS THE CLOSED LOW OVER NEW

MEXICO...THE GFS OVER ONTARIO...AND ECMWF AND NOGAPS OVER ILLINOIS.

IF THE FACT THE NOGAPS IS BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE FORECAST

PROCESS ISNT A SURE SIGN THAT CONFIDENCE IS LOW IM NOT SURE WHAT IS!

THE NOGAPS/ECMWF SOLUTIONS WOULD RESULT IN A POTENTIALLY

SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY WHILE THE GEM/GFS WOULD

BE DRY (BUT FOR STARKLY DIFFERING REASONS). GIVEN THE LOW CONFIDENCE

IN THE FORECAST MADE NO CHANGES TO THE BLENDED INITIALIZATION FRIDAY

NIGHT ONWARD.

Lol the NOGAPS, hardly worth the computations/time to run it.

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I quit, lol. All I know is the upper midwest stands a real good chance of frost all the way down into Iowa early next week. GFS and Euro in pretty good agreement. Probably another warmup after that but not as hot. Fall is coming...

Bet I don't get frost for at least another 45 days.

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I quit, lol. All I know is the upper midwest stands a real good chance of frost all the way down into Iowa early next week. GFS and Euro in pretty good agreement. Probably another warmup after that but not as hot. Fall is coming...

There is no such thing called good agreement 190+ hours out. It's shows a trough. Placement, timing and intensity/thickness is yet to be determined. What you see now isn't verbatim.

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Yeah lake Michigan makes it almost impossible to get a killing frost near the lake in September and the urban heat island adds to that difficulty.

Last September I had patchy frost on two mornings with lows in the mid 30s! That was about as early as I remember a frost. I'm thinking the eastern shoreline of Lake Michigan has some really late frosts some autumns.

High 72° this afternoon, with very few clouds.

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Environment Canada Toronto confirmed Ontario's first F2 tornado of the season which occurred on September 8th near Storms Corners in Lennox and Addington County. Unfortunately no tornado warning was issued, but a man inside a destroyed shed escaped unharmed. Quite significant damage occurred.

THE TORNADO OCCURRED IN THE WITHERS ROAD AREA TO THE SOUTHWEST OF

STORMS CORNERS. THE DAMAGE INCLUDED AN 8 METRE TRAILER WEIGHING

APPROXIMATELY 2500 KILOGRAMS. THE TRAILER WAS CARRIED AND ROLLED OVER

30 METRES BY THE TORNADO AND TOTALLY DESTROYED. A NEW AND

WELL-ANCHORED STORAGE SHED WAS DESTROYED TO ITS FOUNDATIONS. THE ROOF

FROM THIS SHED WAS CARRIED APPROXIMATELY 150 METRES AND FELL TO THE

GROUND ALMOST INTACT. IN AN EXAMPLE OF QUICK THINKING AND APPROPRIATE

ACTION, A MAN IN THE SHED AT THE TIME THE TORNADO STRUCK IMMEDIATELY

TOOK SHELTER UNDER A HEAVY WORKBENCH AND AVOIDED SERIOUS INJURY AS A

RESULT. DEBRIS FROM A BARN ORIGINALLY AT THE WESTERN END OF THE

DAMAGE TRACK WAS CARRIED OVER 4 KILOMETRES. NUMEROUS TREES IN THE

AREA WERE UPROOTED OR SEVERELY DAMAGED AND A NUMBER OF LARGE BRANCHES

WERE DRIVEN INTO THE GROUND BY THE FORCE OF THE TORNADO. DEBRIS FROM

DAMAGED OR DESTROYED BUILDINGS LITTERED SURROUNDING FIELDS. FARM

MACHINERY WEIGHING AS MUCH AS 1000 KILOGRAMS WAS CARRIED AS FAR AS

100 METRES. IN TOTAL, THE DAMAGE PATH WAS AROUND 6 KILOMETRES LONG

AND ABOUT 150 METRES WIDE, AT ITS WIDEST POINT.

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You know DTW is currently sitting at a + 4.3 Gotta a stretch of 3- 5 days of positive departures on our hands. Possibly hitting 90 on Wednesday.

It went from +7.5 to +4.3 in 2 days. You have 3 or 4 mid 80's until the bottom falls out... I hope to never see 80 until June after that.

Lansing is +3.7 and probably +2.7 after today. By next satuday Lansing will be negative.

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It went from +7.5 to +4.3 in 2 days. You have 3 or 4 mid 80's until the bottom falls out... I hope to never see 80 until June after that.

Lansing is +3.7 and probably +2.7 after today. By next satuday Lansing will be negative.

Neither of these things will happen, It will be 80 again after this cool down, and it will be 80 before June next year...

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All right no fighting. :hug: It will most likely get chillier in the upper midwest early next week. How's that?

I vigorously agree with you. For 180+ hours out, you don't get much better agreement with the models than this. GFS/EURO/GGEM all show an impressive, autumnal longwave trough being carved out in the center of North America. GFS is maybe slightly less impressive (shallower with the trough) but it's not like it has a heat ridge over the plains.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I'd say just based on climatology, the GFS is probably going to be closer to the truth. The H5 plots off the 0z EURO/GGEM look more like a trough you'd see getting closer to Halloween.

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Much warmer this morning, 61 °F with a light south wind as of 5 am. MSN is the warmest spot oddly enough, the rest of Dane county is in the 50s.

Next couple of days will have highs in the mid 80s, and then a bout of cold/rainy fall weather with a frontal zone stalling overhead right after the cold air mass comes through.

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