Ginx snewx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Anybody get the feeling things are not going to plan and more issues are cropping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick05 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Anybody get the feeling things are not going to plan and more issues are cropping up. we'll probably know more as the day begins in Japan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Latest official released from TEPCO and a bit dated by a few hours so things may have changed as multiple sources are indicating that the #3 reactor has lost it emergency backup cooling system. http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031301-e.html Unit 1(Shut down) - Reactor has been shut down. However, the unit is under inspection due to the explosive sound and white smoke that was confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM. - We have been injecting sea water and boric acid which absorbs neutron into the reactor core. Unit 2(Shut down) - Reactor and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System have been shut down. Current reactor water level is lower than normal level, but the water level is steady. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national government. Unit 3(Shut down) - Reactor has been shut down and we continue injecting water by High Pressure Core Injection System. After fully securing safety, we are preparing to implement a measure to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessels under the instruction of the national government. - Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage inside the reactor containment vessel. Casualty - 2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of the earthquake, and were transported to the hospital. - 1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance. - 1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance. - The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital. - 4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1. - Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site are not confirmed Others - We measured radioactive materials inside of the nuclear power station area (outdoor) by monitoring car and confirmed that radioactive materials level is higher than ordinary level. Also, the level at monitoring post is higher than ordinary level. We will continue to monitor in detail the possibility of radioactive material being discharged from exhaust stack or discharge canal. The national government has instructed evacuation for those local residents within 20km radius of the periphery because it's possible that radioactive materials are discharged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Another emergency at reactor #2. I havent liked the way this has been going for 2 days. Bad feeling theres more problems here than we are being told ATM. Especially with a large evac. zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovintheWhiteFluff Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Another emergency at reactor #2. I havent liked the way this has been going for 2 days. Bad feeling theres more problems here than we are being told ATM. Especially with a large evac. zone source? I'd like to pass it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 source? I'd like to pass it on.... TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's nuclear safety agency reports an emergency at a second reactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Askew Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 source? I'd like to pass it on.... It was on CNN, they cut to break and no new information thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Kyodo is now reporting that a sixth reactor at Fukushima nuke plant loses cooling functions. Doesn't say which plant nor which reactor. Confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Another emergency at reactor #2. I havent liked the way this has been going for 2 days. Bad feeling theres more problems here than we are being told ATM. Especially with a large evac. zone um you mean #3 right? as in a second recator at the plant , not as in #2 at the plant(#1 had the explsoion last night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach McGuirk Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 uh oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 and what is a nuclear emergency....hasn't there also's been a "nuclear emergency" at each reactor that lost it's cooling function? does this mean that the #3 unit just lost its cooling function too(it says just that) which is no big deal really since others have too..and now just add #3 to the list? or is an "emergency" more dire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I assume y'all saw the latest CNN breaking headline? I get that the quake was historically huge, but I'm still surprised that so many reactors seem jeopardized. I would've thought there'd be more automatic safety mechanisms in place. It reminds me a bit of the BP oil spill last spring-- how we were all astonished there hadn't been better contingency planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Japanese TV, live, in English http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I assume y'all saw the latest CNN breaking headline? I get that the quake was historically huge, but I'm still surprised that so many reactors seem jeopardized. I would've thought there'd be more automatic safety mechanisms in place. It reminds me a bit of the BP oil spill last spring-- how we were all astonished there hadn't been better contingency planning. I am too. I do know there have been a number of safety lapses at Japanese nuclear power plants in the last 5 or 10 years which were a fairly big deal over there. Really frightening stuff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I am too. I do know there have been a number of safety lapses at Japanese nuclear power plants in the last 5 or 10 years which were a fairly big deal over there. Really frightening stuff though. Totally. We thought that oil spill was bad? That would be nothing compared to one of these things melting down near a population center. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I assume y'all saw the latest CNN breaking headline? I get that the quake was historically huge, but I'm still surprised that so many reactors seem jeopardized. I would've thought there'd be more automatic safety mechanisms in place. It reminds me a bit of the BP oil spill last spring-- how we were all astonished there hadn't been better contingency planning. Losing power is a tough one since you lose the coolant pumps...but there is supposed to be 2 or 3 backups...generators etc. to be able to cool the reactor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Another emergency at reactor #2. I havent liked the way this has been going for 2 days. Bad feeling theres more problems here than we are being told ATM. Especially with a large evac. zone TOKYO (AP) -- Japan's nuclear safety agency reports an emergency at a second reactor. Not sure if either meant specifically the #2 reactor or a 2nd reactor. I mentioned earlier that the reports of another reactor losing its cooling ability was specifically reactor #3 and some of the reports coming out are confusing with the Kyodo report being among them. As of now I've only seen reports of reactor #3 and nothing about reactor #2 other than they are preparing to vent it along with #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Totally. We thought that oil spill was bad? That would be nothing compared to one of these things melting down near a population center. Ugh. I think it's just the power of a 8.9 earthquake w/ a tsunami to boot. No matter how much mankind thinks its in control, Mother Nature can laugh at us whenever she wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 and what is a nuclear emergency....hasn't there also's been a "nuclear emergency" at each reactor that lost it's cooling function? does this mean that the #3 unit just lost its cooling function too(it says just that) which is no big deal really since others have too..and now just add #3 to the list? or is an "emergency" more dire Once you lose the ability to cool a reactor you have an emergency. Reactors need to be continuously cooled. There are different grades of emergencies, however. Just because there is an emergency doesn't mean significant radiation has been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Losing power is a tough one since you lose the coolant pumps...but there is supposed to be 2 or 3 backups...generators etc. to be able to cool the reactor. I was under the impression that the back ups were damaged by the tsunami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott747 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I assume y'all saw the latest CNN breaking headline? I get that the quake was historically huge, but I'm still surprised that so many reactors seem jeopardized. I would've thought there'd be more automatic safety mechanisms in place. It reminds me a bit of the BP oil spill last spring-- how we were all astonished there hadn't been better contingency planning. CNN coverage has been horrific in relation to the nuclear plants with what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I was under the impression that the back ups were damaged by the tsunami. The back up generators were supposedly flooded or damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Totally. We thought that oil spill was bad? That would be nothing compared to one of these things melting down near a population center. Ugh. If this just turns out to be just a big scare this is going to have a huge impact on the future of nuclear energy in the US. That really bums me out. It's been since the 70s that a plant has been approved for construction in this country and it's going to be a long long time before it happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Losing power is a tough one since you lose the coolant pumps...but there is supposed to be 2 or 3 backups...generators etc. to be able to cool the reactor. Agreed, that losing power would be problematic-- but wouldn't that expected on occasion in a seismically-active region? I would think that an earthquake emergency with major power outages would be essentially assumed within a twenty-year period, and that the backup generators would be able to supply the power needed to at least shut things down properly in an emergency. I mean, this isn't just one reactor having issues-- some random fluke-- it's several. It doesn't seem right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Once you lose the ability to cool a reactor you have an emergency. Reactors need to be continuously cooled. There are different grades of emergencies, however. Just because there is an emergency doesn't mean significant radiation has been released. Yes but i thought all of the functioning reactors at that plant (1,2,3) had that problem yet they just decleared an emergency for unit three just now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneJosh Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I think it's just the power of a 8.9 earthquake w/ a tsunami to boot. No matter how much mankind thinks its in control, Mother Nature can laugh at us whenever she wants. But this is a region prone to huge quakes and tsunamis-- it's not like these events are out of the blue. If they can't build to handle even 500-year-events, they shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Agreed, that losing power would be problematic-- but wouldn't that expected on occasion in a seismically-active region? I would think that an earthquake emergency with major power outages would be essentially assumed within a twenty-year period, and that the backup generators would be able to supply the power needed to at least shut things down properly in an emergency. I mean, this isn't just one reactor having issues-- some random fluke-- it's several. It doesn't seem right. I think I saw somewhere that they had 6-7 back up generators..all damaged in the tsunami if that is indded the case then for now on gen sets should be positioned well above ground....perhaps on top of the buildings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterymix Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 Totally. We thought that oil spill was bad? That would be nothing compared to one of these things melting down near a population center. Ugh. Oh yeah...my assertion has stood the test of time. Not a single person has been dragged to court or prison for THAT one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I think I saw somewhere that they had 6-7 back up generators..all damged in the tsunami it seems that these things should be kept on the third floor or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJW155 Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 If this just turns out to be just a big scare this is going to have a huge impact on the future of nuclear energy in the US. That really bums me out. It's been since the 70s that a plant has been approved for construction in this country and it's going to be a long long time before it happens again. I think it's the opposite. Let's say this is a big scare and being over-hyped by the media. You can say that a nuke plant survived both an 8.9 quake and a tsunami. Either way you are probably right. When it comes to politics, no one wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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