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January 31-February 2 Historic Winter Storm part 9


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you know what

im looking at this beast on weenie intellicast radar

what an overfed beast he is

them im looking at the temp on my thermometer as well as in the snow zone

im starting to get this weenie feeling this storm wont disappoint for those of us to the east from MI through the eastern lakes.

maybe its just the weenie in me.

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Ah, there is such a thing as +PL

METAR KIND 012154Z 06014G25KT 1 3/4SM +PL BR OVC014 M06/M07 A2978 RMK AO2 SLP092 P0009 T10561072

Are we really this close to heavy snow?

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN  
539 PM EST TUE FEB 01 2011     

.TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON     
.DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE.                
..REMARKS..    

0532 PM     ICE STORM        2 NW WEST LAFAYETTE     40.47N 86.94W   
02/01/2011                   TIPPECANOE         IN   BROADCAST MEDIA                 

3.6 INCHES OF SLEET AND SNOW. ON AND OFF PERIODS OF HEAVY SLEET AND HEAVY SNOW.    

Whoa big gust just now.

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Are we really this close to heavy snow?

PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN  
539 PM EST TUE FEB 01 2011     

.TIME...   ...EVENT...      ...CITY LOCATION...     ...LAT.LON     
.DATE...   ....MAG....      ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE.                
..REMARKS..    

0532 PM     ICE STORM        2 NW WEST LAFAYETTE     40.47N 86.94W   
02/01/2011                   TIPPECANOE         IN   BROADCAST MEDIA                 

3.6 INCHES OF SLEET AND SNOW. ON AND OFF PERIODS OF HEAVY SLEET AND HEAVY SNOW.    

Whoa big gust just now.

Heh, I don't know. If the westside is truly getting heavy snow at times, I'm going to puke.

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Heavy sleet on the west side of Muncie. Some of the larger grains are putting craters in the sleet pack. Winds are starting to pick up a bit. Not much of a glaze on the trees, but you can hear ice talking when the wind blows.

This sleet storm is seriously one of the most incredible things I have ever seen. The grains today are finer than they were last night, but simply pouring out of the sky. The kids across the street from me made some tiny sleetmen today.

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you know what

im looking at this beast on weenie intellicast radar

what an overfed beast he is

them im looking at the temp on my thermometer as well as in the snow zone

im starting to get this weenie feeling this storm wont disappoint for those of us to the east from MI through the eastern lakes.

maybe its just the weenie in me.

Yeah, I keep reminding myself...I was dryslotted on Jan 2-3, 1999. That was 100% WCB, llj driven snowfall. Just like this. Now, that storm lasted longer and was wetter but it goes to show you dryslotting is not necessarily the death knell of a storm.

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Heavy sleet on the west side of Muncie. Some of the larger grains are putting craters in the sleet pack. Winds are starting to pick up a bit. Not much of a glaze on the trees, but you can hear ice talking when the wind blows.

This sleet storm is seriously one of the most incredible things I have ever seen. The grains today are finer than they were last night, but simply pouring out of the sky. The kids across the street from me made some tiny sleetmen today.

Sleetman, lol.

I have to attempt to go out and measure this stuff, but I don't have a helmet. :arrowhead:

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Baro,

See you lurking what are your thoughts at this point??

Haha I am catching up to the last 5 pages--I stepped out to eat.

I am speechless. This storm is spectacular and definitely living up to the hype. Thinking about how bad the NCEP op guidance failed--but NCEP did have some wins too with HRRR/RR/SREF/WRF-ARW/NMM and NWS did well with this storm--imo.

Never thought I would say it but RGEM did very well--and deserves kudos.

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Haha I am catching up to the last 5 pages--I stepped out to eat.

I am speechless. This storm is spectacular and definitely living up to the hype. Thinking about how bad the NCEP op guidance failed--but NCEP did have some wins too with HRRR/RR/SREF/WRF-ARW/NMM and NWS did well with this storm--imo.

Never thought I would say it but RGEM did very well--and deserves kudos.

So what are the new "Model Power Rankings" for winter weather? Is there a new #1?

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dont know if this has already been posted

Mesoscale Discussion 72

SNOWFALL RATES OF 1 TO 2 INCHES PER HOUR WILL BE WIDESPREAD ACROSS

THE REGION...AS RUC FORECAST SOUNDINGS AND SREF INDICATE VERY DEEP

AND SATURATED DENDRITIC GROWTH ZONES /AOA 150 MB THICK/ COINCIDING

WITH STRONG ASCENT. HOWEVER...RATES OF 2 TO 3 INCHES PER

HOUR...POSSIBLY HIGHER...ARE EXPECTED IN A 120-MILE-WIDE CORRIDOR

CENTERED ALONG A LINE FROM NEAR QUINCY TO CHICAGO. IN THIS

REGION...ENHANCED MESOSCALE BANDING IS EXPECTED...AND A FEW

LIGHTNING STRIKES WILL BE POSSIBLE. THIS IS SUPPORTED BY THE 18Z NAM

MODEL...WHICH INDICATES A BROAD AREA OF SLANTWISE INSTABILITY

COINCIDING WITH FRONTOGENESIS-INDUCED ASCENT THROUGH EARLY

EVENING...AS WELL AS THE DEVELOPMENT OF UPRIGHT INSTABILITY ACROSS

CNTRL IL AFTER 00Z AS 700-500-MB LAPSE RATES STEEPEN AOA 7 C/KM.

ADDITIONALLY...MESOSCALE BANDING WILL ALSO BE ENHANCED BETWEEN

CHICAGO AND THE WI BORDER DUE TO FRICTIONAL CONVERGENCE ASSOCIATED

WITH ONSHORE FLOW OFF LAKE MICHIGAN. THE TIGHT PRESSURE GRADIENT IN

THE NWRN SEMICIRCLE OF THE SFC CYCLONE MOVING NEWD ACROSS THE OH

VALLEY REGION WILL SUPPORT STRONG NELY WINDS WITH GUSTS AOA 35

MPH...RESULTING IN BLIZZARD CONDITIONS.

THE 19Z RUN OF THE HRRR HAS BEEN CAPTURING TRENDS OF THIS SYSTEM

WELL...AND INDICATES THE HEAVY SNOW AND BLIZZARD CONDITIONS

CONTINUING THROUGH MUCH OF THE EVENING. THESE CONDITIONS WILL LIKELY

SHIFT EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER BY 06Z...ENDING LATE IN THE

NIGHT ACROSS NRN IL.

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So what are the new "Model Power Rankings" for winter weather? Is there a new #1?

Every storm is different. I was surprised by the NAM fail since it typically does well with rapidly developing cyclones--but the NAM failed the most here--likely do to its convective scheme and non-hydrostatic nature. Too much latent heat release owing to overdone convection really killed the NAM.

A combo of models and forecasting/understanding of the situation is the only way to go.

Rating storm wise--probably the ECMWF/RGEM/WRF-ARW/NMM as well as the HRRR in the short.

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Yeah, I thought it was bad earlier this afternoon but it's getting worse. Stuff could give you welts.

Especially on my bald head.

This is intense with the sleet and wind right now. Definitely would rather have the snow, but this is a pretty good consolation prize.

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http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/qpfhsd.html

Basically, they said assuming the dry slot doesn't materialize (which all models have been handling poorly) their snowfall maps will verify.

PROBABILISTIC HEAVY SNOW AND ICING DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

513 PM EST TUE FEB 01 2011

VALID 00Z WED FEB 02 2011 - 00Z SAT FEB 05 2011

DAY 1

...CNTRL PLAINS TO THE NRN MID ATL/NORTHEAST...

A DANGEROUS WINTER STORM WITH LARGE AREAS OF HEAVY SNOW AND ICING

REMAINS THE THREAT FOR THE CENTRAL MS VALLEY/UPPER MIDWEST/GREAT

LAKES/NY/PA/NEW ENGLAND. A 140 TO 160 KT UPPER JET ON THE EAST

SIDE OF A BROAD TROF OVER THE WESTERN U.S...WILL BE SETTING UP A

FAVORABLE COUPLED JET CONFIGURATION WITH A NORTHERN STREAM SPEED

MAX THAT RESULTS IN LARGE DIVERGENCE MAXIMA ALOFT FROM MO INTO

IL/IN LATER THIS EVENING. THE JET SHOULD MAKE ITS WAY TO THE

GREAT LAKES AND THE NORTHEAST U.S. BY THE END OF THE PERIOD. SFC

LOW PRESSURE OVER AR EARLY MONDAY AFTERNOON SHOULD LIFT NORTHEAST

ACROSS THE OH VALLEY AND ON INTO THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES ALONG

WELL A WELL DEFINED COLD FRONT.

RADAR HAS BEEN SHOWING A WELL DEFINED COMMA HEAD WHERE SFC REPORTS

HAVE SHOWN SNOWFALL RATES HAVE BEEN ON THE ORDER OF AN INCH OR TWO

PER HOUR. PROBABILISTIC MAPS SHOWED A FAIRLY WELL DEFINED AND

UNIFORM RISK OF A FOOT OR MORE. OF SOME CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT

SHORT TERM RADAR IMAGERY HAS SHOWN A DRY SLOT DEVELOPING AND

WRAPPING NORTHWARD INTO THE STORM...A FEATURE THAT WAS NOT WELL

SUGGESTED EVEN BY HIGH RESOLUTION AND CONVECTION EXPLICIT MODELS.

PERHAPS A MORE LAX GRADIENT IN THE PROBABILITY CATEGORIES WAS IN

ORDER. ASSUMING THAT THE DRY SLOT DOES NOT WORK ALL THE WAY

THROUGH...STILL THINK THAT STRONG FRONTOGENESIS THROUGH A DEEP

LAYER COMBINED WITH THE EXTRUSION OF STRATOSPHERIC TO 400 MB OR

BELOW SHOULD STILL RESULT IN BANDS OF HIGH INTENSITY SNOWFALLS

FROM IL INTO IN/SRN LOWER MI LATER TONIGHT. AMOUNTS SHOULD BE

TAPERING OFF ACROSS THE EASTERN GREAT LAKES IN RESPONSE TO THE

WEAKENING OF THE SFC LOW...WHILE A SECOND SNOWFALL MAX IS SHOWN IN

NY/NEW ENGLAND AS A NEW SFC LOW DEVELOPS OFF THE SOUTHERN NEW

ENGLAND COAST ON WEDNESDAY.

PRECIPITATION TYPE REMAINS A BIG FORECAST PROBLEM OF THE DAY. LOW

LEVEL FLOW AHEAD OF THE STORM WILL VERY EFFICENTLY TRANSPORT LARGE

AMOUNTS OF MOISTURE NORTHWARD...BUT FLOW OF ARCTIC AIR AROUND HIGH

PRESSURE SETTLING INTO THE NORTHERN PLAINS WILL SET UP A ZONE

WHERE SUB FREEZING AIR WHERE STRONG WARM AND MOIST ADVECTION ALOFT

HAS SET UP GOOD RAINFALL RATES. THE MODEL GUIDANCE HERE IS IN

REASONABLY GOOD AGREEMENT IN A FAIRLY TIGHT ZONE FROM PARTS OF IL

INTO OH. THE POTENTIAL IS THERE FOR SIGNIFICANT ICE ACROSS A GOOD

SWATH OF PA. THE SIGNS ARE LESS CLEAR ACROSS PARTS OF MD AND

NORTHERN VA EAST OF THE BLUE RIDGE WHERE CLOUD COVER HAS HELD IN

PLACE AND DEWPOINTS HAVE BEEN INCREASING...WHICH WOULD SUGGEST

DECREASING THREAT OF ICE. BUT HIGH RESOLUTION MODELS REMAIN

INSISTENT THAT 2 METER TEMPS FALL BELOW FREEZING BY SOME 2 TO 4

DEGS THIS EVENING AND INTO THE EARLY OVERNIGHT HOURS WHICH IMPLIES

AT LEAST A SLIGHT RISK OF 1/4 INCH OF FREEZING RAIN WHILE AREAS TO

THE NORTH HAVE A MDT IF NOT A HIGH RISK OF 1/4 INCH OF FZRA.

MANUAL PROGS BLENDED THE 12Z ENSEMBLE PSUEDO BIAS CORRECTED AND

12Z GFS THE MOST...WHILE WE TRIED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE

VERTICAL PROFILE FROM THE NAM FOR AS LONG AS POSSIBLE GIVEN ITS

BETTER VERTICAL RESOLUTION.

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