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At least I don't get downsloped, but I'm prone to subsidence when the coast gets ocean enhancement...that's why I hate frigid storms, not to mention I like pasty snow.

Thank you, I try to share what I learn in my courses with the forum to pass it forward. Also, it's nice that you're learning all that stuff. If you ever have questions about the global climate response piece I can help you with that (carbon cycle wise I've lost most of that knowledge post AP environmental science in Junior year). While learning the concepts might not (but hopefully does) feel interesting they lay the groundwork for understanding the atmosphere as a dynamic system. I don't know what you plan to major in (you have a lot of years to figure that out, if you want to go to college that is) but if it's related to atmospheric science/environmental science you will thank yourself for paying attention now. I understand your feeling on this but I truly believe that most everyone in this subforum is capable of understanding the math behind our climate; after all, it's a mix of algebra and the most basics of calculus alongside understanding some concepts (those being the solar constant, albedo effect, and greenhouse gas effect). However, some very influential people have a strong vested interest in creating a reality where that equation is wrong. I do not blame the people for believing in that reality - no one wants to be wrong after all. That said, if there is one thing that my social psychology class has taught me it is that attitude change requires the ability to admit you're wrong which is a very difficult thing for people to do. The people who don't believe in climate change aren't stupid, they aren't evil, and they aren't backwards. They are humans. Yes, humans who are wrong on the issue, and yes humans who actions cause real harm, but you aren't ever going to change their minds by pretending they are somehow below you. If you truly care about changing other peoples minds then you need to put aside malice and extend empathy towards them with how you explain the concept. Ultimately, we are all extremely susceptible creatures to outside influences and the only way we can really understand one another is through seeing people as people and not a walking conglomeration of ideas. If you are one of the posters who disagree with me on climate change I want to say two things directly to you. 1. Thank you for reading this far. 2. Think about who benefits from a world where climate change doesn't exist. Think about how much political power and influence those groups have to loose if climate action occurs. Think about if those groups truly have your best intentions at heart of if they are trying to use you as a voting block to hold onto their power. Just think about it for a minute or two the next time year hear/read an anti-climate change ad or paper - and think about where the money for that ad came from. If you can't tell this moral goes beyond climate change for me.

NAO probably won’t save us with a pac like that. But if we get something (like a strat warming or -AO) to buckle that pac jet and allow cold air to get down here, we could time it with a STJ wave and that’s how we score big.

80-81 is one of the great winters of my life. I was 13 living in Brookfield, VT about 30-35 miles northeast of Killington. It seemed like we had a constant stream of storms, 1 or 2 3“-6”ers every week punctuated by a 6”-10”er every other week or so. I remember our 4’ electric fences getting buried in spots. We lived near what’s called a Gulf up here, a really narrow, steep sided valley. There were snow slides that closed VT Route 14. It was a big winter.

I look at it with expectations. I love cold and snow. And im fortunate to live where even in the warmest winters, there is cold and snow. So having a grasp and good bit of knowledge about what to expect for the coming winter before it even begins is a huge help because it helps set expectations. When the pattern looks good, i set expectations high. I thought last year was a great winter because it was cold and white. Nearly nonstop cold and snowcover so outdoor winter activities could be done whenever I wanted. Want to wait til next week to take the nephews sledding? No worry, snow isnt going anywhere. This winter is a strong Nino. I know that means when the final numbers are tallied, its going to be a subpar winter. Expectations set. Will have to savor the snow/cold more than normal when its here. But I certainly dont know the details. So daily discussion/updates in this thread, as we head through benign weather amid gorgeous Fall colors, is nice to read as we get closer and closer to winter. When these unrealistic troll comments appear, its not that they worry me (or any other snowlover) like "oooh what if theyre right?", because we know theyre not. Its more of an annoyance, kind of like, we are all adults with a hobby in common, why the hell cant we just have adult conversation!?

Yeah, we long done here. Already down to 34 and this will be the 5th night below freezing. It's just different microclimates. That's what makes weather interesting. And yeah, I would trade frosty fall mornings for more snow in general and a 1K climate in SNE. But as long as I live in the valley, I'll enjoy the things here like large diurnal swings, cad, big heat in the summer and big time radiational cooling. But it sure is frustrating getting downsloped to hell on a big-time snowstorm.

Like a dead fish flip-flopping on a dock.

34F.

Anyyyyyywhoooo.....

I can't wait until you flip on a dime in about 2.5 months.

Yea, I'd take your type of cold any day over mine.

Took the day off and played 18 holes. Absolutely perfect.

I'm not sure a favorable Atlantic side would even save us with flow off the Pacific like that. Even if we got a strong -NAO pattern what would our cold air source be? I suppose you could try to get homegrown air from Canada but with an active STJ I wonder if you could ever reduce heat fluxes from the south enough to allow a real buildup of cold air.

*Long confounded reflection as to what in the hell the SFS beta2 is*

Yeah. With how east based this is, i think it will try to default to this pattern. Maybe the strat warming will somehow shake this up and give us something better

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Its 342 hr out on GFS, but that model cap is consummately insane. The stout ridge makes it all the way to the north pole?

Once upon a time, this place used to have moderators....that crap detracts from the quality of threads and suspensions should be dished out...everyone knows to whom I'm referring...not someone like Chris or Adam, who do nothing but add value, even though they love them some warm.